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And then use it to film people having sex and get sued! Yay!

yeah, hence my title upon posting.. :sad:

still it could cut down on the child abuser/baby sitters..

for every good invention, someone will screw it up.

1984

cool.

However, it's not much of a Spycam if people know how one looks like Ok, most people wouldn't think of it, but still...

Excellent, I know what I'm doing next time I have a house party. How convenient that my bed is a "one-and-a-half" size, and I often lend it out to couples :biggrin:

lol! but heay, wasnt this used in "meet the parents"? but in teadybear form?

It's really not all that hard to make your own little "spycam" to tell you the truth... Just a little time, effort, and a few visits to the local idiots over at a Radio Shack or something.

People have had access to this sort of crap for years.

Yeah but this requires no time and effort, you hear me? No time and effort! As much a novelty as it is, I don't think much exciting goes on in my bedroom when i'm not around. Maybe the toys come alive a la toy story, but that's it.

pfftt....the only thing this pup would ever see is cobwebs in my bedroom... ..GRRRR!!....on the converse, matbe i could do my own "horror flick"....hmm...**contemplates academy award.... :heee:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

Leperous said:
And then use it to film people having sex and get sued! Yay!

How can this be constituted as bad? If it's in your house nobodies going to sue you...

Yeah, its your sister and your house and your hidden camera. Enjoy your sentence. :biggrin:

Dr Brasso said:
pfftt....the only thing this pup would ever see is cobwebs in my bedroom... ..GRRRR!!....on the converse, matbe i could do my own "horror flick"....hmm...**contemplates academy award.... :heee:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

I don't think the mainstream is ready to see you take off your clothes. As much of a horror that is. :smile:

if you dont want to see Doc in a state of undress (shudders), how about one of his avatar :smile:

Kapten Ljusdal said:
However, it's not much of a Spycam if people know how one looks like Ok, most people wouldn't think of it, but still...

Exactly... spying equipement isnt much use if you know what it looks like and theses days, people are well informed.

Leperous said:
And then use it to film people having sex and get sued! Yay!

The father of a kid who goes to my school was caught videotaping girls in their dorm rooms at the local college. They saw him in the bushes and then he rana dn was in a huge police chase 2 towns over in his LOTUS. I would be embarassed to be the kid (or the wife).

That picture... :puke:

Monqui said:
It's really not all that hard to make your own little "spycam" to tell you the truth... Just a little time, effort, and a few visits to the local idiots over at a Radio Shack or something.

People have had access to this sort of crap for years.

The thing is Monqui, most people are idiots. With a little time effort and a few visits to home depot and radioshack, I could build GPS guided high explosive moartar, but you wouldn't want that sort of thing sold in a local store would you?

With a little time effort and a few visits to home depot and radioshack, I could build GPS guided high explosive moartar.

Oh, dude, I want one lol.

Heh,

not for sale. I'm only glad terrorists aren't anywhere near as creative as me. I am also smart enough not to actualy build most of the things I think up.

the point of this post is, its a freaking clock radio.. most nannies would overlook it as a surveillance device . :rolleyes:

Or they get that creepy felling that someone is watching

Alien_Sniper said:
Yeah, its your sister and your house and your hidden camera. Enjoy your sentence. :biggrin:

Again, as long as you actually own the house, and you don't actually sell the videos or anything, no crime has been commited.

Suppose a perverted dad secretly films his daughter losing her virginity in his house in her bedroom. Do you really think that's not a crime?

Well technically speaking it probably isn't at the moment, but should it happen, I think given what goes as a case these days, it probably would be.

in the USA, we have what is known as,"the good Samaritan" law.. if you do something, that ends in you breaking the law, but was critical at the time to solving the problem, you cannot be held responsible.. IE, you find someone hurt badly, and your alone.. you have not the skills to fix them, and end up killing them in the process, but had you not tried, they would have died anyways..

i realize this is hardly the case, but if the daughter lost her cherry, to someone over age and she a minor, it could be similar, assuming you were forced to keep surveillance on her, for past criminal, or questionable actions.. she may just need watched 24/7

anyways.. i can see both sides..

If your children need 24/7 surveillance, you have already f**ked up so badly as a parent, I highly doubt that a fance clock-radio will be of any assistance to you.

Tracer Bullet said:
If your children need 24/7 surveillance, you have already f**ked up so badly as a parent, I highly doubt that a fance clock-radio will be of any assistance to you.

as a parent, i can say with a certainty that parenting is not the only factor in children growing up to be evil, or misguided..

i find it mildly insulting, that anyone would assume such.

i have seen children who ended up wrong, becuase of peer pressure more often..

i suggest.. you rephrase the statement maybe..

DAN200 said:

Alien_Sniper said:
Yeah, its your sister and your house and your hidden camera. Enjoy your sentence. :biggrin:

Again, as long as you actually own the house, and you don't actually sell the videos or anything, no crime has been commited.

Aren't you the guy who made 'extended' for SvenCo-op?

BTW... Parents get scapegoated a lot for things that maybe they shouldn't be. It's not important for a father or mother so much to be a role model; it's more that there is someone in your environment that can teach you how to be. For me, my father is very anti-sports, quiet, and not very socially 'skilled'; thus I tend to act a lot more like my older brother than him.

And what else is a factor? helping a child deal with peer presure is part of the deal as much as changing diapers. I do not believe that delinquent behavior is genetic, although I expect it's possible to have mentaly sub-normal, or naturaly gullible children who are more vulnerable.

There certainly is an age at which a child becomes fully responcible for their actions. However, I would argue that if you have not equiped them to deal with the world reasonbly by this point, somthing has royaly been screwed up, and there is nowhere else to look but to yourself.

I view parenthood as the gravest respocibility an individual can ever assume. I do not feel that it is apropriate to disown that respocibility after the fact.

I supose I may have a rather extreeme view of things. I was shaped by my parents in a very strong way, as I was home-schooled. Plus I am not a parent nor will I be anytime soon. hence, I'm willing to admit that my perspective may be a bit one-sided.

Cassius said:
Aren't you the guy who made 'extended' for SvenCo-op?

Why yes. yes I am.

i take my responsibility as a parent quite serious, but i have also come to terms with the fact that ultimately, children will do what they will do.

you can instill only so much into a young mind, if they are not predisposed to the notion of mature responsibility, or honesty, or any other virtue you may hold dear, there is no way you can force it into them.

my job as a parent, is to provide everything within my power, that they may need throughout their lives, its up to them to use what i give, its not up to me to see to it that they use it.. kinda that free will thing you all spout so liberally :rolleyes:

if my children do anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, that i find unacceptable, they know the consequences of those actions.. minor offenses, may include a royal bitching out, serious offenses can, and would include disowning them for life. this may sound harsh, but they know the limits of my acceptance and if the line is crossed, then they also know the price, if they feel its worth it.. thats their choice.. who am i to chose for them...

i do not make these statements lightly, my children know i am quite serious, and willing to go the distance... it may, or may not keep them on the path to responsibility, but its the best i can do.

if more parents stopped coddling their delinquent children, we would prolly have far less problem children.... prolly.

all children will ultimately control their own destinies, let us all hope they chose wisely

Orpheus said:
i take my responsibility as a parent quite serious, but i have also come to terms with the fact that ultimately, children will do what they will do.

you can instill only so much into a young mind, if they are not predisposed to the notion of mature responsibility, or honesty, or any other virtue you may hold dear, there is no way you can force it into them.

my job as a parent, is to provide everything within my power, that they may need throughout their lives, its up to them to use what i give, its not up to me to see to it that they use it.. kinda that free will thing you all spout so liberally :rolleyes:

if my children do anything, ANYTHING AT ALL, that i find unacceptable, they know the consequences of those actions.. minor offenses, may include a royal bitching out, serious offenses can, and would include disowning them for life. this may sound harsh, but they know the limits of my acceptance and if the line is crossed, then they also know the price, if they feel its worth it.. thats their choice.. who am i to chose for them...

i do not make these statements lightly, my children know i am quite serious, and willing to go the distance... it may, or may not keep them on the path to responsibility, but its the best i can do.

if more parents stopped coddling their delinquent children, we would prolly have far less problem children.... prolly.

all children will ultimately control their own destinies, let us all hope they chose wisely

I just getting out of child-dom believe that the lax effort of discipline on many children has caused a huge influx of quite frankly horribly screwed up kids.

DAN200 said:

Cassius said:
Aren't you the guy who made 'extended' for SvenCo-op?

Why yes. yes I am.

Bravo, sir; yours is one of the precious few official maps that are genuinely fun.

Ahem, I think the problem with children is the lack of a strict morality. An ethically liberal society like ours (that is to say, pretty much any moral code is allowed if not accepted) is a nice concept, but in reality we see that in a place where any moral doctrine is accepted, there tends to be none that actually is, on a widespread basis.

So you see the two sides: a deeply conservative society which creates many individuals who have ideas that end up being too similar for growth, or a morally liberal place that creates strife, tension, and screws up a lot of people.

In terms of genes versus experience, well, genes only determine one's potential, not what they will actually do. Someone born with amazing math ability in Ethiopia may never pick up a textbook, much less a pencil, and nobody will be the wiser.

Though I be a young one indeed, I see the skill of parenting as identifying these traits one's child has, demonstrating behavior (especially around the opposite sex) and teaching the kids how to act based on their environment.

basically the problem is this.. parents do not know how to set examples anymore, at least a majority of them do not..

1) i see parents gabbing on the phone while driving, car is loaded with children, what kind of message does that give.

2) parents send their children to bed, while downstairs they are getting s**tfaced drunk... when was the last time children went to bed, when told :rolleyes:

3) children allow to watch anything on TV, something i have no issues with, but the parents do not take the time to explain what they are viewing is not always acceptable behavior, or is outright fiction.

4) parents no longer explain the "birds and bee's"

5) parents make rules, but fail to set reasonable punishments for breaking them, or worse, they make punishments they neither intend to keep, or fail too entirely.

6) parents allow children to decide their own value system IE clothes to wear, music to listen to, foods to eat, ect,ect.

the list goes on and on.. parenting begins at age zero, when a child is born, it does NOT begin when you notice a child has taken the wrong path in life.. few parents decide to act soon enuff.. look around you, can you guess who are the parents lacking?? its usually the ones with children in diapers over the age of 2.. these parents decided to let the children "break themselves" as if that were a good thing, when in actuality, its setting a pattern for them to follow later.. these children will eventually never break themselves of anything... in these cases, i agree with Mr. TB.. it is indeed the parents fault.

Before I have kids, I want to be completely happy with my own life and free from any emotional problems/hangups/whatever. I am not in that situation yet.

Parents are human too, and it is very easy for them to project their own problems onto their children. Some of the most striking examples are those disgusting kiddy beauty pageants, where 5 year old girls are made up like sexy adult women and trained to smile and curtsey and dance for the judges. The reason that they are doing this is almost always that their mothers wanted to feel beautiful and glamourous and to be the prom queen, but never succeeded and as a result suffer from low self-worth. Mothers live vicariously through their children at these shows, but in the process they steal away their daughter's childhood innocence.

Don't get me wrong - I dream of the time when I will be ready to have kids! But I'm not yet a good enough person for that responsibility. I refuse to screw up a child's life just because of my own problems.

Hmm... I agree with everything you just said Orph. People these days have children the way they have cars. it's a part of life which is expected and taken for granted, rather than the serious decision and 18 year commitment it should be.

Tracer Bullet said:
Hmm... I agree with everything you just said Orph. People these days have children the way they have cars. it's a part of life which is expected and taken for granted, rather than the serious decision and 18 year commitment it should be.

Don't you mean, "lifelong commitment"? Children don't stop needing parents after they hit 18. Granted, they tend to want less to do with their parents, but still mum and dad often clean up the mess when something goes horribly wrong.

Tracer Bullet said:
Hmm... I agree with everything you just said Orph.

everything??

that has got to be a snarkpit 1st.. i jest of course, but it is a bit disconcerting none the less. thanx TB.. most people i talk to think i am full of s**t when it comes to where a child was failed exactly, and who did it.. IMO, if a child has a habit that bothers you, guess who gave it to them, they weren't born with it.. course i am not referring to the average teenager, i am talking about toddler or younger.. the ages before self aware begins..

Tracer Bullet said:
Hmm... I agree with everything you just said Orph. People these days have children the way they have cars. it's a part of life which is expected and taken for granted, rather than the serious decision and 18 year commitment it should be.

IMO, being a parent is a lifetime commitment. Give it a though :smile:

Yes, I guess that is true. However, the demand your offspring place on your time and life decrease dramaticaly after this age. it really is a very different stage of parenthood. that's why so many moms have a really hard time when the nest goes empty.

My mom has had a huge identity crisis in the past few years, as I the youngest of four have come of age. for 25 years since the birth of my older brothers, she has defined her existance around us. her identity was "home-school mom" everything revolved around us, but suddenly, we no longer need her to any great extent.

This may have been an unhealthy way for her to have lived for so long, but it illustrates why I picked 18 years. certainly being a parent does not end, but it becomes much less intense around this time. The role of the parent becomes that of a friend and trusted advisor, rather than that of an athority figure.

Tracer Bullet said:
The role of the parent becomes that of a friend and trusted advisor, rather than that of an athority figure.

Of course, I should have added that but it slipped my mind. :rolleyes: