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Orpheus
Orpheus said:I disagree, I think you could make a playable level with 20 brushes. The idea is to try and push yourself and think outside the square to create something visually stunning and/or playable with only 20 brushes.
Personally I think a 20 texture competition would be more challenging cause you'd have to have something playable at the end. With 20 brushes you'd end up with a bunch of abstract art entries and nothing useful. (at least from a gaming editorial standpoint)
Orpheus
Orpheus said:Like you may use the block tool 20 times, and change the brush's vertex into anything you like.
I dunno. Knowing how the engine cuts brushes into fragments I'd say each of those screens contain closer to 1,000 brushes.
I guess someone would have to hammer out the details signifying what exactly defines a brush.
Orpheus
Niborius said:How about we use one block and subtractive the rest...
Like you may use the block tool 20 times, and change the brush's vertex into anything you like.
At least that's what I think
Orpheus said:What did you mean by that?
Somehow having something less than useful at the end of a competition seems odd.
Orpheus said:Heh, someone needs to read up on their terminology
I dunno. Knowing how the engine cuts brushes into fragments I'd say each of those screens contain closer to 1,000 brushes.
Muhnay said:This was answered a few centimeters above your post by aaron:
Could I make 20 floors and use models as walls? or do models count against your use of brushes.. because I can make a map almost entirely out of models and not have many brushes in it at all.
aaron_da_killa said:I don't know about you, but how else would you bring in a model properly without using any of those entities?
No physics/static/dynamic props.
Muhnay said:I doubt it; That wouldn't be in favor of the spirit of the idea, because everyone needs one (unless it's indoors). I'd assume they are givens.
Does the skybox count?
Orpheus said:On some other topic I read that each displacement surface counts as 1 brush in this competition
Niborius said:How about we use one block and subtractive the rest...
Like you may use the block tool 20 times, and change the brush's vertex into anything you like.
At least that's what I think
Seriously though, would it count as one if you used displacments to manipulate it into a shitload of shapes?
Orpheus
Orpheus said:A brush can have 100 sides, but still be one brush. In the screenshots they sometimes made an arch brush, but that still only counts as one.
Man Riven are you confused. What leads you to believe that my reading something will leave me any more enlightened than prior to reading said document?
Also, Why should we join, or only join their competition? Aaron can run his own methinks.
lastly, why reduce our lagging post counts by not talking about it here?
Perhaps I did use an invalid term. My idea was 20 solids formed into something cohesive. However, where they touched would create new solids. So although I may have used the incorrect term, I meant well.
I will read your link.. I am still a bit fuzzy on this idea of a "brush"
[edit] So according to that page, a brush is a surface you can see within the game from the players standpoint. Now unless I am still confused, each of those screens contains way more than 20.. Less than the 1,000 I thought but still more than 20.
Perhaps someone can further enlighten me?
[edit2] Oddly enough someone brought up the exact same thing I did about the 1,000 solids.. So I ain't the only dipshit.
Orpheus
Niborius said:Dangit why is this one thread so slow????
A brush can have 100 sides, but still be one brush. In the screenshots they sometimes made an arch brush, but that still only counts as one.
Hope that explains it, otherwise, just keep asking until you understand it
Although I cant say for certain, it's been a year since I've been in Hammer but you might be able to make #4 and #5 one brush? Can't remember.
"Muhnay" said:I think if it has a usability/bug preventing purpose then no it should not count. If it has a gameplay/practical purpose then it counts. SO the hint brush does not count (but I don't see why you would need one), the clip brush may count depending on the use. If it's to prevent a player getting caught on geometry then it doesn't count, but if it's to create an invisible platform or to stop the player falling out of the level then it counts.
Will Player Clip Brushes, and Hint Brushes also count against the 20 count?
Finger said:I think it should be open to all Source/Goldsource/Unreal mods/games as long as you follow the rules. Edit: On second thoughts, we want everyone to be able to play them so I'm thinking.. let's make it HL, HL2 or HL2DM singleplayer or multiplayer.
I might actually have time to do something like this. Sounds fun. What game - Halflife 2 Deathmatch?
"Muhnay" said:Yeah they do. I hope it doesn't seem harsh but the idea is (as my graphics teacher Eric says) "with the minimum, create the maximum".
Aaron, I noticed in some of those pictures posted that they have bounce mats and so forth.. do those count against your count?
Campaignjunkie
have to fix my source sdk ffs 
Orpheus
aaron_da_killa said:Sadly after reading stuff here and at mapcore I am not looking forward to setting mine up. Not only will I have to play catchup for a 4 year deficit now I got a hammer that doesn't pound right.
wtf have you DONE valve!!
