At long last..

season 3 for the new trek series "Enterprise" began last week.. if you have the option, watch it.. where ever you can wink

i managed to acquire it just this morning...

last seasons cliff hanger seems to be off to a slow start..

Is it as good as TNG or Voyager?  I haven't seen a single episode of it yet, but was a dedicated fan to both TNG and Voy.  Didn't get into DS9, tbh, at all...

i am a trekker to the core, and IMO enterprise takes trek into a whole new area..

it predates kirk and the pre-established genre' most think of when asked "Trek"

the new captain is nothing like any of the others... he is more "peoplish" or normal...

i think its second only to TNG and much better than its 1st two seasons.. TNG took to season 3 to get really good.. enterprise did it from day #1

DocRock said:
Is it as good as TNG or Voyager?  I haven't seen a single episode of it yet, but was a dedicated fan to both TNG and Voy.  Didn't get into DS9, tbh, at all...

Same, until I saw the last series of DS9- aka 'When it finally got good', plenty of epic battles, plot twists uncovered, etc. etc. :smile: I've seen a few Enterprises and thought they were pretty terrible and started down that slippery, boring 'PC' (politically correct) slope that Voyager seemed to start- the theme music, it burns!- but meh, never seems to be on TV over here to watch...

I must admit, ive only watched a couple of episodes of Enterprise, but TBH i really didn't like them at all. TNG and TOS obviously reign supreme, but even so i liked Voyager and DS9. Maybe I just havent watched enterprise enough, but from what ive seen it is a disgrace to Star Trek.

Leperous said:
 never seems to be on TV over here to watch...

whispers

kazaa has it on 24/7

and man, you guys are either hard to please, or you had some preconception of what trek is supposed to be like...

take it for what it is.. a "PREQUEL" :rolleyes:

its not really trek yet, till after kirk :razz:

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for the record, whether you like the title song or not, it is IMO the best choice for the setting..

it is not a true trek, cause it predates starfleet, so thinking it has to follow the ideals all the rest had, is ludicrous..

my suggestion, since you have pre-notions about season 1, watch season 2 or watch this new epesode.. it is pretty good, just not a normal continuation of a season cliffhanger..

Voyager was the coolest series, though Enterprise had a wicked episode when they first discovered the Borg frozen in Ice and they dethawed.... non of them little scientists had decent guns :biggrin:

stupid links :sad:

visit www.startrek.com

look there for season interviews :smile:

Forget that, SNL starts season 29 on October 4th with host Jack Black! Following that, the rumor mill is tossing out the venerable Norm MacDonald for October 11th and the lovely Halle Berry for October 18th. Should be absolutely rocking.

Well TNG is obviously the best (if not the originals). I liked DS9 in the later seasons with the war and such. Voyager just generally stunk in my eyes; especially later in the show, where it reduces the Borg to a generic, defeatable faction like all the other races. And Enterprise... Bleh.

:rolleyes:  you kids, and your preconceptions ...

 

anyways, moving along..

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/features/documentaries/article/2319.html

check out this virtual tour of the ship... its kinda cool..

 Forgive me if this sounds bitter but I am almost disgusted with Enterprise. To begin with, I am a huge trekkie. My personal collection is valued at over 20,000.00 dollars.  I even hired the key rigger from Voyager and three of the features to rig for me on Firefly last year(He was a shoe in ya know, and yes, christmas was good to me, hehe). Gene Roddenberry is turning over in his grave in this show. Star Trek history , all encompassed in an established line of TV, books, and movies has all been unwritten and twisted to facilitate this obvious milking of a cash cow. Everybody who really knows Trek lore knows the first Captain of an interstellar class(warp drive) Enterprise was an englishman named Robert April (btw, his security officer was George Kirk, James T Kirks father,).Not to mention all the new "Aliens" and other such nonsense that have been nowhere to be seen in 35 years of writing save for this show.Rick Berman and Brannon Braga should be stripped of their respective titles and positions for even thinking this was a good idea, in its current form.

Even the writing is shabby. I sat through about 5 minutes of a complete rip off of Enemy Mine the other night and I could'nt keep watching. It's embarrasing. I will always be a Star Trek fan, and will occasionally watch an episode of Enterprise should it hold my interest, but more often than not they just are'nt worth the effort.

There, I got that off my chest.

(Pops open Heineken)

Hope all is well guys.

Juim

Juim said:
 Forgive me if this sounds bitter but I am almost disgusted with Enterprise. To begin with, I am a huge trekkie. My personal collection is valued at over 20,000.00 dollars.  I even hired the key rigger from Voyager and three of the features to rig for me on Firefly last year(He was a shoe in ya know, and yes, christmas was good to me, hehe). Gene Roddenberry is turning over in his grave in this show. Star Trek history , all encompassed in an established line of TV, books, and movies has all been unwritten and twisted to facilitate this obvious milking of a cash cow. Everybody who really knows Trek lore knows the first Captain of an interstellar class(warp drive) Enterprise was an englishman named Robert April (btw, his security officer was George Kirk, James T Kirks father,).Not to mention all the new "Aliens" and other such nonsense that have been nowhere to be seen in 35 years of writing save for this show.Rick Berman and Brannon Braga should be stripped of their respective titles and positions for even thinking this was a good idea, in its current form.

Even the writing is shabby. I sat through about 5 minutes of a complete rip off of Enemy Mine the other night and I could'nt keep watching. It's embarrasing. I will always be a Star Trek fan, and will occasionally watch an episode of Enterprise should it hold my interest, but more often than not they just aren't worth the effort.

There, I got that off my chest.

(Pops open Heineken)

Hope all is well guys.

Juim

sighs

i know a bit of lore too,juim... and you have it a bit off..

the captains you speak of, were all captains, but of the constitution (or is it constellation, i cant ever remember) class ships... it has nothing to do with this particular series..

IMO its no worse, that the prequel in starwars.. the stupid battlestation had no business being in the movies so far in the past.. but yet there it was...

there is no way the station would have existed 20 years or so before episode 4..

anyways... i really like the new show.. i feel it does the preceding series justice... and fills in a few holes from the early years of starfleet..

there is life before kirk you know.. :rolleyes:

for the record, the enterprise kirk commanded was a very old ship, it had two preceding Capitan's before him, being pike, and april..

while april commanded the ship, it was not even known at that time as enterprise, if my memory serves me correctly, it got the name after april and george kirk were lost with all hands on a completely different ship... and sometime about then pike ended up with it...

pike had the ship for 11 years or so prior to kirk, and kirk had it about 10 years, before he blew it up... so the original enterprise was a very old ship..

my point... the new series takes place quite a number of years even before april.. especially considering the top speed of each ship is warp 5 and warp 8 respectively... time-line wise, thats roughly 50 to 100 years..

also if i remember correctly.. this new series is just a few decades after first contact.. so anything is possible...

 

accept the show for what it is, not what you would have it be.. either like it, or don't, but please don't compare it to the other shows... remember, when TNG came out, there was an uproar from the old-school trekkers, it was a disgrace they claimed... and look how well it did at the end of its 7 year run.... i think this new show will fair at least as well as the rest..

Since you're kinda in showbiz, Juim, I've got a bit of a question for you. In almost every movie, there are a few people listed as "Grips" (best Boy and best Dolly being two of them). WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY? Are they just like assistants to the stars or what? I've been trying to figgure it out for a long time now...

Grips help move cameras I believe.

Star Trek fans.

Cash Car Star said:
Grips help move cameras I believe.

grips hold those ungodly long poles with the microphones attached to them....

poor kids must have arm's like popeye

 

Cassius said:
Star Trek fans.

 

^ this from someone who doodles in paint   :rolleyes:

/runs and skips

Cassius said:
Star Trek fans.

I dont like it either, But its a bit poor to piss take them because of it. Do you not like anime anyway?

We could all piss take each other for what we watch tbh, But it wont get us anywhere.

KoRnFlakes said:

Cassius said:
Star Trek fans.

I dont like it either, But its a bit poor to piss take them because of it. Do you not like anime anyway?

We could all piss take each other for what we watch tbh, But it wont get us anywhere.

i roll my eyes when i hear grown kids talk about watching cartoons as if it were a good thing, but i rarely say much.. cause its not proper to knock things that do little or no harm..

i watch cartoons with my grandson on every occasion he wishes.. but i wouldn't promote them as anything special..

anyways, my star trek issue predates most of snarkpits births into this world, so to them, they have no opinion as to my validity in liking the shows i like :biggrin:

struts away proudly

also, just another thought about names of ships in relation to the trek universe..

there is a big difference between the aircraft carrier and the shuttle, yet they shared the names..

the shuttle wasn't even space worthy either, so go figure..

there is a good chance that the creators of this new show, have no intentions of linking this enterprise to kirks or picards.. since from kirks time onward they bore numbers and letters..

i am not going to over Analise this show, just to make people who dislike it feel better about themselves.. i watch it first and foremost because i like anything trek (yeah i watched all the trek cartoons as a child) and secondly, i like any show that stars scott bakula in the lead roll... so there you have it, a winning combination IMO, that very few can bitch about :biggrin:

"i roll my eyes when i hear grown kids talk about watching cartoons as if it were a good thing"

I dont, What I asked was did cass like them as I remember him saying something in an old thread about this trigun or somesuch with Vash I think?

Monqui said:
Since you're kinda in showbiz, Juim, I've got a bit of a question for you. In almost every movie, there are a few people listed as "Grips" (best Boy and best Dolly being two of them). WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY? Are they just like assistants to the stars or what? I've been trying to figgure it out for a long time now...

Well actually I am a grip. I have bested (number 2 position) and keyed (number one position) and hammered(standard crew member) for many years. Grips are support crew for camera and lighting. We handle all facets of light and camera mounting. Dollies, cranes, car mounts, and any number of scaffolding or overhead track type mounts are just some of the camera functions we perform.

Same for lighting. If the Director of photography needs a light to spin in circles from a huge circular wheel overhead than we would make that happen(this is a specific scenario but you get the point). We also color and diffuse the light from the source to the subject.

Finally, we are also set construction from a point. You see after a set has been shot it becomes the property of the grips.I am currently key rigger for a mid season replacement show called "Century City". My job is to take my guys into a large warehouse and raise a steel pipe grid overhead to a higher level, then recieve 3 40 ft truckloads of set pieces from canada and re-assemble a set from a pilot that was picked up. Then we have to put up about 300 ft of overhead track to hang the backdrops on around the set. I'll post some picks for you guys later. Hope that answers your question.

KoRnFlakes said:
"i roll my eyes when i hear grown kids talk about watching cartoons as if it were a good thing"

I dont, What I asked was did cass like them as I remember him saying something in an old thread about this trigun or somesuch with Vash I think?

did you ever notice kornman, that sometimes your sentences begin in the middle of a conversation, as if you aren't even a participant :razz:

anyways.. to cover my embarrassment at not comprehending your post, i only meant that cartoons aren't all bad, just seems odd that grown children, or young adults would find credence in them...

still times change.. better cartoons and getting into mischief :smile:

Juim said:

Monqui said:
Since you're kinda in showbiz, Juim, I've got a bit of a question for you. In almost every movie, there are a few people listed as "Grips" (best Boy and best Dolly being two of them). WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY? Are they just like assistants to the stars or what? I've been trying to figgure it out for a long time now...

Well actually I am a grip. I have bested (number 2 position) and keyed (number one position) and hammered(standard crew member) for many years. Grips are support crew for camera and lighting. We handle all facets of light and camera mounting. Dollies, cranes, car mounts, and any number of scaffolding or overhead track type mounts are just some of the camera functions we perform.

Same for lighting. If the Director of photography needs a light to spin in circles from a huge circular wheel overhead than we would make that happen(this is a specific scenario but you get the point). We also color and diffuse the light from the source to the subject.

Finally, we are also set construction from a point. You see after a set has been shot it becomes the property of the grips.I am currently key rigger for a mid season replacement show called "Century City". My job is to take my guys into a large warehouse and raise a steel pipe grid overhead to a higher level, then recieve 3 40 ft truckloads of set pieces from canada and re-assemble a set from a pilot that was picked up. Then we have to put up about 300 ft of overhead track to hang the backdrops on around the set. I'll post some picks for you guys later. Hope that answers your question.

:eek:  man, that sounds so cool...

its almost like being an engineer in the army.. almost..

i miss those days, but oh well...

maybe, when you get time, you can post movies you worked on, and your real name.. then i can boast to my friends, "I KNOW HIM" he is a cool friend of mine from snarkpit :smile:

Orpheus said:
also, just another thought about names of ships in relation to the trek universe..

there is a big difference between the aircraft carrier and the shuttle, yet they shared the names..

the shuttle wasn't even space worthy either, so go figure..

there is a good chance that the creators of this new show, have no intentions of linking this enterprise to kirks or picards.. since from kirks time onward they bore numbers and letters..

i am not going to over Analise this show, just to make people who dislike it feel better about themselves.. i watch it first and foremost because i like anything trek (yeah i watched all the trek cartoons as a child) and secondly, i like any show that stars scott bakula in the lead roll... so there you have it, a winning combination IMO, that very few can bitch about :biggrin:

Well I do like Scott Bakula, I met him on the Enterprise set while working at Paramount one day(Also met the Jolene Blalock, grrrrrrrrr!). , but I must be getting old. I just can't wrap my head around this new series yet. It seems so watered down comparitively. Perhaps if the writing was better. Gene Roddenberry tapped a wide pool of science fiction writers for many of his story lines, and subsequently created alot of truly interesting characters and thought provoking story lines. This latest incarnation just seems too plain and formulaic. Maybe there's hope yet, after all I did'nt like deep space Nine until it's 4th or 5th season. (Voyager never really grabbed me either quite frankly, but was mildly entertaining at times.Can you say 7 of 9?). I also got on the set of Nemesis and I really enjoyed that movie. Made up for the previous two.

 

Let me sidestep this thread for a second, to ask how many of you are fans of Doctor Who?  I friggin LOVED Who when I was a kid.  It came on PBS, and I can remember just freaking out because sometimes they would have DW marathons.  The Dalek were the s**t!  EXTEEERIMAAAAATE!  I've actually thought that a Doctor Who singleplayer mod could be pretty sweet.

sorry, back to Star Trek.

Finger said:
Let me sidestep this thread for a second, to ask how many of you are fans of Doctor Who?  I friggin LOVED Who when I was a kid.  It came on PBS, and I can remember just freaking out because sometimes they would have DW marathons.  The Dalek were the s**t!  EXTEEERIMAAAAATE!  I've actually thought that a Doctor Who singleplayer mod could be pretty sweet.

sorry, back to Star Trek.

as if a thread could remain pure

i was never a who fan, never even recall an episode TBH..

sorry bud..

Finger said:
Let me sidestep this thread for a second, to ask how many of you are fans of Doctor Who?  I friggin LOVED Who when I was a kid.  It came on PBS, and I can remember just freaking out because sometimes they would have DW marathons.  The Dalek were the s**t!  EXTEEERIMAAAAATE!  I've actually thought that a Doctor Who singleplayer mod could be pretty sweet.

The high-tech costumes were the best bit

Leperous said:

Finger said:
Let me sidestep this thread for a second, to ask how many of you are fans of Doctor Who?  I friggin LOVED Who when I was a kid.  It came on PBS, and I can remember just freaking out because sometimes they would have DW marathons.  The Dalek were the s**t!  EXTEEERIMAAAAATE!  I've actually thought that a Doctor Who singleplayer mod could be pretty sweet.

The high-tech costumes were the best bit

may i ask, when was this show aired?

i honestly do not recall it... was it before 1980?

i just cannot recall it at all

Orpheus said:

KoRnFlakes said:

Cassius said:
 

 

 

Seems nobody saw it.

Only thing I remember about Doc Who was the beginning of the show, flying down something like a worm-hole and the weird bizarro techno theme music.

Also some of the sets I remember looked like something they set up in their garage with cardboard and trash cans.

Cassius said:

Orpheus said:

KoRnFlakes said:

Cassius said:
 

 

 

Seems nobody saw it.

oh, we all saw it, but so few things rattle ol' cassius, that oft times only blatantly ignoring his intent will suffice.. :biggrin:

worked this time too..

 

/strolls away casually

"Also some of the sets I remember looked like something they set up in their garage with cardboard and trash cans."

Yes, and that was it's charm.  I think shows like that, where the props are cheesy and obviously 'props' kind of engage your imagination a little more.  B movies rock, also.

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As promised , heres what I am currently working on:



This is a wide shot from overhead. You'll notice that this is a round set. We had to set close to 200 points with a laser to the overhead pipe grid.



Heres a shot from inside the set. All the spokes had to be aligned correctly for the set to fit right. Luckily it did.

 

 

and? this is the set of? or is it secret for the moment?

Orpheus said:
and? this is the set of? or is it secret for the moment?

This is not a secret. It's a mid-season replacement for CBS called Century City. It's Sci-fi in a way. Sort of LA Law in the future. They have purchased 8 episodes so there's a distinct possibility that it may never even air.

Juim said:

Orpheus said:
and? this is the set of? or is it secret for the moment?

This is not a secret. It's a mid-season replacement for CBS called Century City. It's Sci-fi in a way. Sort of LA Law in the future. They have purchased 8 episodes so there's a distinct possibility that it may never even air.

secret or no, its a cool proffession.. sometime, i plan on taking you up on your invitation... when next i get to L.A.

hurray! Doctor Who repeats on ABC (Australia, fool)... still a good series, considering my parents watched when they were um younger

edit Juim do you know how much that set cost to build and set up?

blu_chze said:
hurray! Doctor Who repeats on ABC (Australia, fool)... still a good series, considering my parents watched when they were um younger

edit Juim do you know how much that set cost to build and set up?

Yah actually i do. I was talking to the Production Designer and it cost about 180,000 canadian to build. Now they have budgeted about 350,000 stateside to move it, rebuild and refurbish it, add some architecture here and there, and stock it with furnishings, knick knacks and such.

Juim said:

blu_chze said:
Juim do you know how much that set cost to build and set up?

Yah actually i do. I was talking to the Production Designer and it cost about 180,000 canadian to build. Now they have budgeted about 350,000 stateside to move it, rebuild and refurbish it, add some architecture here and there, and stock it with furnishings, knick knacks and such.

 dman for just one set..... :eek:

the newest episode is pretty trekish..

if anyone is interested in changing their viewpoint on this show, holler at me and i can zip the latest show..

80 megs isn't to big a download , but it will take a bit/while to upload...

anyone interested lemme know..

for the record Johnathon Archer is no longer a pussy.. you might find this particular episode to your liking..

Cant be arsed to read this whole post, I just want to add that entiprise ownz  I wish you could watch episodes online, episodes of any of the star trecks are few and not frequent in the uk...

xconspirisist said:
Cant be arsed to read this whole post, I just want to add that entiprise ownz  I wish you could watch episodes online, episodes of any of the star trecks are few and not frequent in the uk...

i get ALL my treks online...

whisper kazaa

Holy crap orph --- dont EVER use kazza --- do you know how many virus there are in some of the files on there ? Go onto some security websites, kazza hets multipul server hacks PER DAY.

Jeezus --- I thought that was kinda common knowledge...

xconspirisist said:
Holy crap orph --- dont EVER use kazza --- do you know how many virus there are in some of the files on there ? Go onto some security websites, kazza hets multipul server hacks PER DAY.

Jeezus --- I thought that was kinda common knowledge...

virus's are in direct proportion to your stupidity level..

kazaa prolly has no more than any other file swapping method..

movie and image files are nearly impossible to get a virus from.. at least thats my understanding..

but, i will look into your site, if you care to post a link..

i have used kazaa for nearly 2 years, virus free..

be selective, be safe..

Its nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get virii through movies and music files. All they are is stored data- nothing more. No code is executed when you open an MP3 from the mp3 itself.

Its kinda like saying that plain txt files can contain virii, and you;ll be infected when you open them up in notepad. They can, but nothing will happen, since notepad only decodes the input file (the txt) and outputs the info onto the screen.

Very impressive Juim.   You're in the L.A. area right?   Would you be able/willing to show off your set to someone in the area?   I go to Simi Vally all the time, which happens to be just north of L.A. (travelling from San Jose area), You might be too busy or unable but it would be totally awesome to see your work first hand.

mp3's cant contain virus's, oh yes they can. for example, you may use windows media player or winamp / smth simlar to play your mp3's --- whenever a program like that rips the information from the header section of the file, scripts can be executed at the sametime, from within the file. scripts can do whatever they like...

films are worse, they are normaly compressed with, say something like divx or xvid ? you can use a program called a ' binder ', which binds one file as a parent, say a divx encoding file, and a virus. Whenever the parent is accessed, the child file can be executed. What is stoping someone from binding a virus into a divx encoding file, and then encoding hundererds of movies... 'eh ?

 

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