The source engine, powerful or not?

Since counterstrike source is released and everyone probably have been able to taste the power of source and it capabilities i would like to start a discussion about what is the source engine actually capable of doing.
Do you think you will be able to play the game with your old 733mhz computer or not?

As a hardware intrested guy i would really like to hear about you guys who has tested couterstrike source on old computers and how good it preformed.

It works really good (60-70 fps @1024x768 medium video settings and high on some) on my athlon 2200+, 512RAM, radeon9800SE system but i never expected anything else, how about you, did it work on your system too?

Edit: it seemes like i have made a "poll" which wasnt my attention.. and i couldnt find the "remove this poll" butten either :wink: .

Well ... the source engine is the hl2 engine ...

I haven't played it in over a month or so, but with the beta I could run it at the highest settings I could find and about 1600x1200 resolution. But I believe it does hide settings you cannot run.

Crono said:
Well ... the source engine is the hl2 engine ...

I haven't played it in over a month or so, but with the beta I could run it at the highest settings I could find and about 1600x1200 resolution. But I believe it does hide settings you cannot run.

Of course source is the hl2 engine, thats why I created this thread..
And what system did you use when you played with those settings and what fps did you have?

Wont HL2 be more demanding than CS:S ?

OtZman said:
Wont HL2 be more demanding than CS:S ?

That depends on whos the mapper :wink: .

MisterBister said:
That depends on whos the mapper :wink: .

Gold.. no wait.. thats platinum..

Don't click on the 'Poll' button then you goon :razz:

OtZman said:
Wont HL2 be more demanding than CS:S ?

That depends on whos the mapper :wink: .

I guess :razz:

What I really mean is if the singleplayer part of HL2 will be more demanding.

OtZman said:
I guess :razz:

What I really mean is if the singleplayer part of HL2 will be more demanding.

and we all know, that mappers didn't create those levels.. HL2 comes with its own "Push" button map editor, you turn it on, and it materializes on your screen

oh please stop, i am wetting myself once more "instamaps" thats killer

To answer the question stright up, Yes I believe that HL2 will be much more demanding because the mappers who put to gether the campagin will have used much more detail than was used in CS:S. Gods, I hope that's true anyway, since CS:S is just CS with fancy water/sky effects and physics.

To answer the original question... I can run CS:S at it's lowest settings on my poky old computer at about 30-40 FPS (PIII 1 ghz; 256MB RAM; 32MB GeForce2 Go). I don't expect to be able to run HL2.

OtZman said:
I guess :razz:

What I really mean is if the singleplayer part of HL2 will be more demanding.

and we all know, that mappers didn't create those levels.. HL2 comes
with its own "Push" button map editor, you turn it on, and it
materializes on your screen

oh please stop, i am wetting myself once more "instamaps" thats killer

again... :rolleyes: :biggrin:

I haven't played CS:S myself but isn't CS:S just a remake of old CS?
That would mean that CS:S is less advanced than HL2, as HL2 is entirely
new. Doesn't HL2 have more advanced architecture, models etc than CS:S?

Yes I believe that HL2 will be much more demanding because the mappers who put to gether the campagin will have used much more detail than was used in CS:S.

That's what I meant ^_^

OtZman said:
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That's what I meant ^_^

i dunno what the Swedish currency is converted to american dollars, but my diaper budget is large enough without you adding to it.. i would however consider any financial assistance you would care to impart if you feel the desire to continue adding to my diaper consumption

OtZman said:

Yes I believe that HL2 will be much more demanding because the mappers who put to gether the campagin will have used much more detail than was used in CS:S.

That's what I meant ^_^

i dunno what the Swedish currency is converted to american dollars,
but my diaper budget is large enough without you adding to it.. i would
however consider any financial assistance you would care to impart if
you feel the desire to continue adding to my diaper consumption

It's called "Inability to express oneself"

OtZman said:
It's called "Inability to express oneself"

inability..?

i was raised to believe that laughter was an expression unto itself :biggrin:

alien_sniper started the diaper thing ages ago.. along with something about goats, but... thats another story :dodgy:

it was funny about diapers, i see no reason to restrict the comments.. but anywhos..

what you said had me in stitches.. so sue me, i am easily prone to humor

OtZman said:

Yes I believe that HL2 will be much more demanding because the mappers who put to gether the campagin will have used much more detail than was used in CS:S.

That's what I meant ^_^

i dunno what the Swedish currency is converted to american dollars,
but my diaper budget is large enough without you adding to it.. i would
however consider any financial assistance you would care to impart if
you feel the desire to continue adding to my diaper consumption

1 Dollar = 7,5 kronor.

And "krona" means "crown".

MisterBister said:
1 Dollar = 7,5 kronor.

And "krona" means "crown".

well, here you go, but thats a lot of kronor's

7.5, thats cool..

hey that gives me an idea.. what are the denominations of all the currancies in your countries guys??

ours are:

1 cent or penny
5 cents or nickle
10 cents or dime
25 cents or a quarter
50 cents or half dollar
1 dollar in paper and coin
2 dollar in paper
5 dollar in paper
10 dollar in paper
20 dollar in paper
50 dollar in paper
100 dollar in paper
these are all i have seen.. i am not positive that these are all.

the 1,000 dollar bill was discontinued years ago.

I get quite good framerates on medium on my 9600 pro [128].

Can't remember what they were exactly but they were good :biggrin:

Oh, CS:S could be more demanding than HL2, depends wether your standing in a hall or in the middle of a huge gun battle in the middle of aztec :wink:

Before I go see Orbital, here's UK currency

1 penny, 100 pennies make a pound.

5 pennies, make a 5 pence piece

10 pennies, make a 10 pence piece

20 pennies, make a 20 pence piece

50 pennies, make a 50 pence piece

100 pennies, make a pound coin

200 pennies, make a 2 pound coin (this hasnt been around for that long - 5-10 years?

after that, ?5, ?10, ?20, ?50 notes.

Are there any ?100 notes in existence?

Not that i've seen $loth, i think ?50 is the highest denomination i've
seen. Everything above is done via cheques/electronic banking.

Gwil said:
after that, ?5, ?10, ?20, ?50 notes.

uhh, how do you make that "?" sign?? is it on your keyboards over there?? like our "$" sign is over here?

We have both :smile: Shift+3 is ?, Shift+4 is $.

Can't imagine the ? sign having much use in the US of A though? :smile: The Euro sign is also on the 4 key, although i'm not sure how to activate it ? - oh wait, its Alt Gr + 4 :smile:

Edit: How odd, Orph - our # is next to @ (@ and ') and (# and ~)

Like I say, with no disrespect - America is quite an insular society,
and your currency is the biggest in the world - the ? sign probably has
little use except for those working in economics.

Gwil said:
We have both :smile: Shift+3 is ?, Shift+4 is $.

Can't imagine the ? sign having much use in the US of A though? :smile:

our "shift+3" is the pound sign "#"

[edit]

dammit, i search awhile, i cannot find a close up picture of an american 101/102 standard keyboard.. anyone have a pic?

QWERTY

Crono said:
QWERTY

damned good, except mines a microsoft version, has a bunch of MS crap at bottom.

thanx crono :smile:

Is this the second time I've out-searched you with google? :biggrin:

Not that that's anything to be proud of.

MB: my specs lay here.

I don't check my fps because it's a redculous performance measure..er. But I'd assume it never dropped below 25 at the lowest, since it didn't lag or slideshow. It probably sat up at about 35 the entire time. To be perfectly honest, you don't notice much of a difference unless you're staring at the numbers telling you what you're running at. With a higher FPS, it just "feels" smoother. But, if there's no lag there's really no difference.

Crono said:
Is this the second time I've out-searched you with google? :biggrin:

Not that that's anything to be proud of.

don't hurt yourself, its a close match, but not exact.. still its better than the pics i kept finding. :sad:

I don't check my fps because it's a redculous performance
measure..er. But I'd assume it never dropped below 25 at the lowest,
since it didn't lag or slideshow. It probably sat up at about 35 the
entire time. To be perfectly honest, you don't notice much of a
difference unless you're staring at the numbers telling you what you're
running at. With a higher FPS, it just "feels" smoother. But, if
there's no lag there's really no difference.

I sense much fear and anger in you.

You still have much to learn my young padawan.

The fps is everwhere, under that rock, in that tree, it surrounds us and combines the galaxy as a whole.

Some day you might understand the importance of the holy word "fps" and
how it affects our lives as beings in this ever changing world.

I got CS:S installed on a 1.2ghz laptop with 512 mgs ram and a GeForce2Go and was running 800x600 at more than 30 fps. That is plenty for anybody to play, and if your ping is low and steady you can easily dominate games. Plus the graphics don't look all that bad for being the lowest of the low end. It looks far better than Halo PC and it actually runs unlike D3.

With my new computer (3ghz, 512 mgs ram, radeon X800 se) specifically bought to play HL2 I average 80fps and experience no slowdowns except with the reflective water. Knowing that the source engine can handle that wide range and perform well is comforting. :biggrin:

yak, why would you buy an se generation card? everything i have heard says se cards are poopoo compared to any others in their class..

is the x800se any good?

Australian money

• 5c coin
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• 10c coin
• 20c coin
• 50c coin
• $1 coin
• $2 coin
• $5 note
• $10 note
• $20 note
• $50 note
• $100 note

Aussie notes arent paper, theyre polymer, which is cool. Much more durable than those dodgy American paper ones :razz:

I've got 10 $50 notes to spend on an upgrade... will keep saving till xmas tho, doubt I'll be in any position to play HL2 until early January.

Back to topic.

I believe that the source engine is powerfull, although the d³ engine is even more powerfull. I have a AMD 2.5GHz processor and a X800 XT PE with 1 gig of RAM. Keep in mind from what Ive read at the steam forums, source games eat up your processing power more than anything, so If you want to upgrade I would suggest a 3.2 or greater Intel or 2.3 or higher AMD processor to run CSS at the greatest settings. Currently im getting 100 fps.

Orpheus said:
yak, why would you buy an se generation card? everything i have heard says se cards are poopoo compared to any others in their class..

is the x800se any good?

Well I had to buy a desktop since I couldnt upgrade my laptop and that was the card that came with. If this card sucks then I can't imagine what the better version is capable of... course I am the person who played HL for two years using the software renderer, so I may not be the best judge of high quality graphics.

Orpheus said:
1 Dollar = 7,5 kronor.And "krona" means "crown".
well, here you go, but thats a lot of kronor's
7.5, thats cool..
hey that gives me an idea.. what are the denominations of all the currancies in your countries guys??

Over here:

50 ?re coin (100 ?re = 1 kr (kr = krona :razz: ))
1 kr coin
5 kr coin

20 kr note
50 kr note
100 kr note
500 kr note
1000 kr note

a few years ago there were 10 ?re coins too. And like 40 years or something ago there were 1, 2 and 5 ?re coins aswell.

wil5on said:
Aussie notes arent paper, theyre polymer, which is cool. Much more durable than those dodgy American paper ones

I think the swedish notes are made of cotton.

um... Is it just me, or is the quoting function acting a little bizarre ?

OtZman said:
um... Is it just me, or is the quoting function acting a little bizarre ?

Plz, keep it for the site suggestions/bugs.

Now, back to friends :wink:

Are there any ?100 notes in existence?

I actually spent a few of those babies not too long ago, they're in
existence but whenever you spend them in shops they get out a store
manager (this was in Tesco) to check it over with a UV light etc. and
you have to sign something. Was stupid, but still I had my hands on a
few of them that are rarely seen.

Before I go see Orbital, here's UK currency

What? Do you mean Orbital as in the godlike electronic music duo, and
go see as in go to a gig, or am I way off the mark? Cuz I thought they
broke up.

Indeed, mazemaster - it was DJ set at one of the big clubs in the city centre - absolutely bloody top drawer as well :smile:

You're correct in thinking they broke up/finished playing - saw there final "Orbital" gig at Glastonbury 2004 :x

Not that I want to incite jealously, of course :biggrin:

thursday- @: ?100 notes? o_O sounds like a bit of a tall tale to be
honest, sure they weren't ?50's ? (Red in colour). Bank of England says

• a ?5 note featuring Elizabeth Fry;
• a ?10 note featuring Charles Darwin;
• a ?20 note featuring Sir Edward Elgar;
• a ?50 note featuring Sir John Houblon, the first
  Governor of the Bank of England.</li>

Gwil said:
Indeed, mazemaster - it was DJ set at one of the big clubs in the city centre - absolutely bloody top drawer as well :smile:

You're correct in thinking they broke up/finished playing - saw there final "Orbital" gig at Glastonbury 2004 :x

Not that I want to incite jealously, of course :biggrin:

thursday- @: ?100 notes? o_O sounds like a bit of a tall tale to be honest, sure they weren't ?50's ? (Red in colour). Bank of England says

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

• a ?5 note featuring Elizabeth Fry;
• a ?10 note featuring Charles Darwin;
• a ?20 note featuring Sir Edward Elgar;
• a ?50 note featuring Sir John Houblon, the first Governor of the Bank of England.

</DIV></DIV>

My mum just said shes never seen one in her life.

Gwil said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

• a ?5 note featuring Elizabeth Fry;
• a ?10 note featuring Charles Darwin;
• a ?20 note featuring Sir Edward Elgar;
• a ?50 note featuring Sir John Houblon, the first Governor of the Bank of England.

</DIV></DIV>

That is frigging awesome. I don't have any idea who the rest of those people are, but Darwin definitely deserves to be on money. However, I would have thought you'd have previous kings/queens/prime ministers, or maybe someone like Horatio Nelson, or Sir Walter Rayleigh on your money

Elizabeth Fry was some kind of suffragette style nutter. Pioneered
better conditions in the prisons and workhouses, or something like that.

Edward Elgar is a British composer

John Houblon (WHO!?) as it says, was the first Governor of the BoE.

Raleigh didnt really do that much, I think you're not allowed to put
ministers on notes, not that anyone would want one :razz: perhaps spencer
percival, the only british prime minister to be assasinated could fit :smile:

As for monarchs, the Queen is on the back of the coins, and notes.

George Stephenson used to be on the ?5 note, another famous scientific mind :smile: (he pioneered steam power/travel)

Gwil said:
Elizabeth Fry was some kind of suffragette style nutter. Pioneered better conditions in the prisons and workhouses, or something like that.

She was also married to a quaker.

eh, I guess steam engines are important, but I'd say Cavendish, Newton, Priestly, Locke, or Boyle would all be better candidates.

No wonder her face is on a bank note then, bwahahah. Sorry, bit harsh toward the Quakers there.

<span style="color: lightblue;">Freaks that they are!

edit: we've had lots of people on the bank
notes, tracer - it gets changed quite regularly, if i recall correctly
(like once every 5-7 years ?)

also it's relevance to Britains glory, the strength of currency etc -
pioneering steam, and the industrial revolution, and starting our glory
days as the strongest empire in the world. we have to reminisce
somehow, yknow :razz:

</span>

Ah... Over here we've had the same faces on our money for probably a hundred years or more. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Alexander Hamilton, Ulysses Grant, Andrew Jackson. The coins change more often, but still, it's been over fifty years since one of the major denominations was changed. They are all former presidents in fact, except for Franklin.

Now, If we were to commemorate our ascendance to world power we'd have to put Oppenheimer, FDR, and Harry Truman on our bills. People might object strenuously to a trio who were instrumental in the development and use of nuclear weapons being commemorated that way.