DM_Motel

some collapsed roof would be sweet. ALSO, i bet that if you had plants growing out of the cracks in teh concrete it would be UBERsweet, cause it's supposedly abandoned for a LONG time. I know in old places like that there is plants creeping into the broken windows and small plants gorwing out of the cracks maybe make a hole in the side of the builting and put a fallen tree that caused it?

[edit] horrible foreigner-like grammar scusi

[color=limegreen][edit again] [/color]Maybe if EVERYONe stopped trying to be so "cool" by putting other ppl down, this crap wouldnt happen.

it really DOES need a second floor, d00d. And if it's a HOTEL the doors to the rooms can all be INSIDE. also where ARE all the rooms that look exactly alike like a RELA hotel? Good-looking though!

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting MysticSiva</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>There will not be a second floor in this map. I will not be going back to do large portions of it over again at this point. Also, it is not based on any particular building. It is just motel-like, or maybe nursing home-like, or apartment-like, etc. I had to name it something and it is obviously not a power plant, shipyard, beach, etc. If enough people think that it doesn't look like any particular type of building maybe I should just give it a name that really has nothing to do with it. I was thinking DM_Orpheus. </DIV></DIV>
That would be sweet if you named it after orph!!! You're such a sweet gal. awwww

OMG HOW THE HELL DO U DO THESE COOL LVLS...!!..I MEAN IT TAKES BILLION OF HOURS TO ADD SO MUCH DETAIL FOR THE MAP...LIKE THE GRABGE ON THE FLOOR AND PAPERS AND CUPS AND MUGS AND BORKEN WALLS....HOW ??..IT REALLY TAKES TIME...BUT THE PROBLEM IS I DUNNO HOW !!!!!

Its really simple mate

Some are decals: flat images put on floor and others are garbage models!

TAKES TIME TO DO THE GARABAGE MODEL STUFF MAN...EVEN THE BROKEN WALLS, LIGHTS AND STUFF

Stop typing in capitals, and never type entire posts in bold.

Obviously it takes time to detail levels, but its part of what level design is, and nobody said it was easy or quick.

i know reno...sorry for the bold thing...but detailing is kinda hard too...u can get lost easily in the entities and details...lots of stuff to addd....makes it hard to find wat u want... :vampire:

Ok i agree detail takes ages but putting in a garbage model is as simple as clicking browse and choosing it and then placing it where you want! its that simple dark!!!!!

u mean that garbage model is one of the normal textures ??

I TOLD U IT TAKE AGES TO FIND WAT U WANT...and get lost easily through them !!!

Man i just wish there is a big list telling u where can u find anything u want in hammer...like a search thing...cuzz i dont think that there is a website lists that right??

lol well yes but thats not what i meant i mean that you make entity called cycler, properties, world model, browse, choose garbage model in the garbage folder, click ok and voila you have a garbage model that looks detailed!

theres all kind of models! havent you noticed most maps have similar windows or trees?

Didnt notice the text under as it looked like your signature anyway how long you been mapping? as you dont seem noobish and yet you find it hard to find all the stuff you want?

ive only mapped for about 3/4 of a year and yet i find mapping easy apart from detail and getting something to work is simple if you think hard and try hard :wink:

i started mapping for like 1 week....i didnt map for hl1...cuzz it didnt work with me...mapping in hl2 is easier...but U GET LOST EASILY!!!

Heres a site that will help

it taught me how to map for hl1 and i use those techniques to make maps :wink:

http://cariad.co.za/twhl/tutorial.php?id=47

Weird thing is that it doesnt work at the moment? it may be offline because its christmas but im not sure why as it was on before christmas :sad:

It's got a new URL -

http://www.twhl.co.za.

And you use prop_ entities for prop models now, not cyclers.

MysticSiva said:
. I was thinking DM_Orpheus.

That would explain all the flames. :biggrin:

thx u guyz....ill try getting these now....thx for ur help..

No problem and thankyou rabid for making me happy :wink:

fire rooms are pwn

A mapper with a wife? unheard of!!! :wink: Nice work Siva

hurry with the damned link, i cannot wait to give this map the attention it deserves.

you, my friend will have the pleasure of my first HL2 critique. let us hope you did a better job than you have shown so far.

i just love putting arrogance where it belongs.

before you say it, if you are half as good as you think you are, i will tell you, there won't be any doubt when i am finished. :/

i will delete my own messages thank you very much, i don't need any damned help. -Jon

[color=white]i will speak my mind, when this mapper posts a link. [/color]

I looked over the map. considering the level of cooperation, it was about the quality i expected.

i have nothing positive to say, but considering i also have nothing negative to say, count your blessings.

the map is what i would expect from an entry level mapper, your basic "maze" type of setting, one not very conducive with HLDM play.

the lighting was poor at best.

my chief complaint was the incredible process just to download the thing. it was horrible. i suggest another host cause this one reeks. i almost gave up after the 4th or 5th forwarded page. :sad:

if you want a better critique, i suggest you sweet talk someone else cause mine would not be favorable to your... disposition.

i saw no outright glaring errors. i do feel with a bit of restructuring the map could play well, but in its current form, i do not see it doing very well in any credible review sites.

i give it a 6/10.. and thats generous.

one final suggestion, you may take it or leave it. until you open yourself to criticism, and stop informing people what you will not do, your maps will prolly not advance much beyond this stage. shame to cause i see skills yet untapped. it would be a shame if you failed to humble yourself to your peers. you will find that your friends are not the ones telling you what you would like to hear.

i've said my piece, please do not ask for clarification.

/ 2 cents

you have the strangest way of saying "thank you"

lets see how the others critique this thing, then we'll see who laughs shall we.

Aaahhhgghh. I don't wanna see more enemies! Since I'm a little poor with wording, when it comes to situations that can easily cause an argument, I would suggest that when an arguement has "blown over" -- don't start another. I can see how Orph and the screenshots got a bit out of hand, but he intended it for good reasons :smile:

/nuff on screenshots

On a second note, it did appear that you berrated Orph a bit after the first argument. I would definetely say you deserved a slap in the face for that. Now ( not trying to sound like a mod, but I don't like seeing enemies!) please try to get along from now on?

Orph, if I sound a little "un-informed" about this, then it's probably because I am. Send me a PM to fill me in, if you feel the need to do so. I'll support ya :smile:

/edit: Damn! Leave it to me have an incomplete sentence! Since I'm a little porr with wording, when it comes to situations that can easily cause an argument, I'll try to keep this short. :biggrin:

i find it totally ironic, that i read the exact same thing coming out of your mouth each time you make an appearance.

you claim to not be rude, but you put restrictions on how much advice we can give you?

my critique was honest, but incomplete. if you truly want me to trash it, say the word.

personally, i think its not worth trashing, but your attitude is compelling. :/

just say thankyou, and we can part "amicably". i think you'll be much more satisfied looking that word up.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Orpheus</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>i find it totally ironic, that i read the exact same thing coming out of your mouth each time you make an appearance.

you claim to not be rude, but you put restrictions on how much advice we can give you?

my critique was honest, but incomplete. if you truly want me to trash it, say the word.

personally, i think its not worth trashing, but your attitude is compelling. :/

just say thankyou, and we can part "amicably". i think you'll be much more satisfied looking that word up.

</DIV></DIV>
I agree with the parting amicably part. I spend far too much time arguing with you.

more irony shrugs

/me is done with this.

looks around at the rest of the pit

i tried, i tried. :/

[edit] i have this map if anyone else really wants to see it.

:rolleyes:

Way to delete your comments like a big baby. If you felt they were worth typing out for everyone to see I don't see why you have to get rid of them once people start responding. I think I'll go take a look at the map to comment. Oh wait, it was deleted too! Talk about spineless.

EDIT: Send it to me Orph, I'll critique it.

actually, i am personally requesting that some others critique this map, my integrity has been called into question. something i most definately am not comfortable with.

i think i was generous.

Well, I'm kind of irked that I ran through that map and thought about
what to say only to have this map deleted. Seriously, you have to
take any criticism and do what you can with it. Orph gave you
gold, and you spat at him.

Anyway, my thoughts were that the map was a touch on the labyrinth
side. Paul Jaquays of id Software suggested that a large map
should have distinctive landmarks, and players should always know where
they were. I must say that I had a lot of trouble telling what
was going on most of the time. Another thing you may want to take
into consideration was the fact that the map doesn't really "Flow"
anywhere, it's kind of like a bucket full of stagnent water. I
would recommend directing traffic better. It doesn't have to be
completely linear, but it seems to play like a cube.

Walking around, I would frequently get stuck in geometry. This
just won't do for multiplayer, let alone deathmatch. You ought to
clip around some stuff to make it easier to get around.

Now, for a few details that will be easier to correct:

I almost fell asleep standing in that fire. Maybe you could crank up the heat and make it do a little more damage?

I gravity-gun jumped onto the motel roof, into the attic, and over the
gate. I'm pretty sure that you don't want the player in any of
those areas, so you should clip them off.

That hotel looks like it was sent to hell and back on the inside, but
the outside looks like a grandmother only took it out on Sundays to go
to church. You may want to damage the exterior a bit.

To sum up, you have to take criticism the right way. I have the
exact same problem, really. I could look at a pile of horse
manure, and if I had designed it, I could see a castle. That's
what forums are good for, people who have no emotional attachment to a
map will tell you what it really looks like.

The people who only tell you what you want to hear aren't really your friends.

stares at screen for several minutes

man, i never expected this from a member above 1000.

thanx.

I'd say the author was very smart for deleting this piece of crap. He's sparing the majority of us from it. Unfortunately he's probably posting elsewhere spreading this filth. Anyways:

-There's no discernable flow at all in this map. There's a bunch of dead ends, tiny doorways, and things sticking out to catch you and stop your movement. Major areas only have one or two ways into them as well.
-The construction is nonexistant, as the interior is basically two rooms copy and pasted repeatedly. The downstairs area is just one half constructed/one half mirrored, you get the idea. There is serious abuse of models to serve as detail (just like the prefabs of old) and it looks terrible. I can get 30 FPS in the outside areas, which is quite the accomplishment considering how little is out there.

That about covers it. Basically this is a newbie map through and through. It's a step up from a killbox, so that's a good thing, but it should never be released. The author has some basic handle on Hammer and could create something worthwile in the future, but alas his inability to accept even the slightest criticism or consider any recommendations will assuredly doom him to suckiness. I believe somebody earlier in this thread said that this looks like a Valve map, and all I can do in reply is laugh.