Windows XP 64-Bit Edition

FFS, Plz can someone help me, I've tried searching on www.microsoft.com and all they give me are secruity updates, , I'm so angry and i want it sooooooooooooooo bad :razz: plz help

Kasc

Does it even exist yet? I heard there was a Windows coming to include support for the new breed of 64bit chips (like mine) but it isn't out yet.. let alone even announced.

You can only get the beta for a trial period of about 300 days, it should be on MS website somewhere.

GWIL it was annouced a long time ago. Yes there is a beta version but
when the full thing comes out u will need to buy it OR u can trade in
your Windows XP for it.

GWIL it was annouced a long time ago. Yes there is a beta version but
when the full thing comes out u will need to buy it OR u can trade in
your Windows XP for it.

wow trade winxp32 for a winxp64 :biggrin: yeey njammie :smile:

So it isn't actually out to purchase or fully supported yet? :razz:

I didn't say it wasn't coming, I was more saying it hadn't been announced as officially out. Either way nuts to a 300 day beta, i'll wait for the full pack to come out.

Most important question is how much will they charge for it, and will they include options for a cheap upgrade for legal owners of XP? I'd hope so, but i'm not entirely unrealistic when it comes to interpreting Microsofts business strategy

edit: Oooh I see, very good news indeed :smile:

I shall be trading mine in then :biggrin: Pays to be legal, for once!

You guys do realize that if you're running an AMD 64/FX chip(s) this probably would run the same or barely faster then XP-32, right?

I'm specifically talking about the AMD chips, because they just support 64-bit processing. They've actually been developed as a transitional processor to optimize 32-bit applications and run 64-bit applications. So, in all actuality, using a 32-bit version may run faster. (If you wonder what the hell I'm talking about: go to AMDs site and read some of their documentation.)

Oh will you shut up raining on everyones parade for once Crono :razz:

You sound like a stuck bloody record dissing everyones hardware - if Doom 3, Half Life 2 and Quake 4 play well, we can use our apps without slowdown and our PC is fast and reliable, does it really matter?

No, it doesn't.

I dont know why gamers think intels cpus are better. AMD owns intel and
will for a while I would know my dad is a network administrator
at INTEL and he perfers AMD most of the guys there he says own AMD and
say they are at intel for the money. Intels new cpus over heat so the
cpu has to throttle it self back so the new intel chips dont run at
full power all the time.

I didn't "dis" anyone's hardware, gwil.

The operating system its self probably isn't very reliable as well. Why would you change what you have for something new when what you have would run faster (potentially)?

f**k it.

It's diss, but you've missed my point.

It doesn't pay to be a cynical whinger all the time, you know :razz: Some people are quite happy to live in ignorant bliss rather than be told their new PC/chip etc isn't really that great after all.

You know?

It's diss, but you've missed my point.

It doesn't pay to be a cynical whinger all the time, you know :razz: Some people are quite happy to live in ignorant bliss rather than be told their new PC/chip etc isn't really that great after all.

You know?

It doesn't matter, it isn't a word.

You missed my point entirly: The AMD 64 chips are GOOD. No other 64-bit chip optimizes 32-bit applications. Hell some of them can't even run 32-bit applications. I was saying: because of this specific ability it would be smarter to use the version of software that get's optimized if the 64-bit version is just the same thing with 64-bit memory and no optimizations of it's own (very possible).

I wasn't being cynical at all. You just interpreted what I said as a bad thing. :rolleyes:

Never mind..

Oh, and diss is a word

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=diss

If your'e gonna argue about something, stick to computing :razz: dis is an abbreviation and a MAJOR prefix, let alone slang for putting someone down.

Crono, all i'm saying is that when it comes to tech issues you seem to rain the negative points on peoples rigs or setups - and I don't think people REALLY care (and it doesn't REALLY matter) as long as the FPS is high and the games perform well.

That's not as a "moderator" either, just a personal opinion :smile:

I wasn't arguing actually, meerly explaining what I said, which shouldn't be needed. Apparently, when I say it: people don't care. Yet, if anyone else said anything else about the subject, even if it's wrong, that knowledge would be taken to heart. I've seen it many times, especially on this site (not in this thread).

I'm tired of having people who know nothing about this subject telling me bulls**t about a specific product or design just because they don't want to be wrong.

I was trying to give useful information that would save you time and trouble, perhaps money as well. You remember what helping is, right?

Here: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=help

I'm making a larger point Crono, not just this thread.

Helping people isn't in my nature, I don't have the patience. Nor is tit for tat back and forth identikit arguing. The dictionary.com retort would have been funny if I'd claimed a perfectly valid word didn't exist :razz:

I think perhaps if you are trying to help and educate people about their systems if you came across as little less negative and minus the attitude when people have already chosen. Text doesn't mix well with rhetorical questions, as it usually skews the meaning of what you're trying to say, for instance.

As proved by this thread and both of our posts.

Quiet fools! More talk on this 64bit windows... One question I'm sure Crono can answer... Xbox is 128bit... So was PS2. Why are PC's so behind the times?

I think Crono does give a lot of VERY good tech advice though yes, I'd have to agree he is often rather negative Oh well, such is the way of our crummy world!

personally, i don't mind crono reminding me of my shortfalls all the time. he is correct most of the time, and even when he is not, i keep him ignorant of that point simply because it is one thing i know that he does not :biggrin:

and, i have the taboo longhorn, 64bit windows opsys.. i am afraid to install it, but i do have it :smile:

yeah 64 bit windows is gonna be good.

bottle necked gfx cards wont help tho paired with a high end cpu and windows 64.

Oh will you shut up raining on everyones parade for once Crono :razz:

YES FINALLY SOMEONE STUCK IT TO CRONO! But I agree with him..... The 64
Windows might be faster, but only if your system is put together
correctly will it be faster than 32 Windows.

Back To Topic: Ill wait for the 64 bit version of windows to be out a
while (till they work out all the bugs that come with new software).

One question I'm sure Crono can answer... Xbox is 128bit... So was PS2. Why are PC's so behind the times?

I don't know the true answer to this (although im sure crono will
"correct" me) But I believe its that the consoles have very High end
hardware in them. The CPU RAM (very fast RAM at that) and Video card
are actually one unit together, not like PCs where you have the CPU RAM
and Video card sitting on a "connecting piece" (mother board). But Im
sure there is a reason that only a computer expert knows.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=help

I dont know why gamers think intels cpus are better. AMD owns intel and
will for a while I would know my dad is a network administrator
at INTEL and he perfers AMD most of the guys there he says own AMD and
say they are at intel for the money. Intels new cpus over heat so the
cpu has to throttle it self back so the new intel chips dont run at
full power all the time.

The heating problem is mainly with the Prescott core, which is
definitely a bit of a joke. Stick to the northwood cores, they give you
equivalent performance for cheaper. Plus the P4Cs are an overclocker's
dream. And SpeedStep has been announced so recently I don't think
anyone clearly knows what it's about. All I have heard is that it's
used on the Prescott 2M cores. I doubt it has been placed in production
yet

I'm sick of hearing this crap that "AMD is better!!!" or even the
occasional "Intel OWNS YER MUTHA". Each processor has it's advantages
and disadvantages. Stop screaming about why you're choice is better.
The AthlonXPs and the Pentium4s have been performing equivalently for a
long time now. The only clear differences I can see is that hardware for the AthlonXP is slightly cheaper to come by, so it's the best choice for any frequent upgrader (usually gamers).

(Oh, and this wasn't aimed at anyone in particular)

Quiet fools! More talk on this 64bit windows... One question I'm
sure Crono can answer... Xbox is 128bit... So was PS2. Why are PC's so
behind the times?

I thought the XBOX uses a 128 bit GPU only. The processor is 32bit
(P3/733MHz). I think the GF4 Ti series and up (except for the FX5200)
also come with a 128bit bus

If your looking for a 64-bit OS go with a linux setup. Right now linux has the best 64-bit OS, and has all the drivers as well.

Im going to dual boot this one when i get a chance: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-amd64/

DL: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/sarge-amd64-netinst.iso

I'm using Win XP 64 bit for the time being, and it isn't that bad. It
has a lot of bugs and to get it working I had to install drivers for
various motherboard components, but other wise it isn't too bad.

Anyway, I thought someone better post the link, so here it is:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx

Crono is like a guy jacking ppl out of the matrix; some like it, others prefer to have stayed in wonderland. i prefer the real world:p

However, 32-bit processes cannot load 64-bit dynamic link
libraries (DLLs), and 64-bit processes cannot load 32-bit DLLs.

Now I know very little about this stuff, but I can see problems
arrising right here, like trying to play Half Life 2, maya or any other
program the can cause this problem. I lke the fact that you will be
able to hold up a lot more RAM :biggrin: . Thanks Loco for the link.

However, 32-bit processes cannot load 64-bit dynamic link
libraries (DLLs), and 64-bit processes cannot load 32-bit DLLs.

Now I know very little about this stuff, but I can see problems
arrising right here, like trying to play Half Life 2, maya or any other
program the can cause this problem. I lke the fact that you will be
able to hold up a lot more RAM :biggrin: . Thanks Loco for the link.

The 64-bit windows, at least the verison out now, has a 32-bit emulator called WOW, to run 32-bit in the 64-bit OS.

How many of us actually have more than 4 GB of RAM on a desktop ? .01 %?

"Right now linux has the best 64-bit OS"

Wrong - [url]http://www.freebsd.org [/url] :smile: :razz:

And actually crono - 64 bit optimized applications are a lot faster
than 32 bit optimized applications - maybe 50 % faster or so.

How many of us actually have more than 4 GB of RAM on a desktop ? .01 %?

Yep. And 64 bit systems can support up to a terrabyte of RAM. Hideously large isn't it? :smile:

When 32-bit CPU's came out they said the same about 4 GB of RAM, and machines are starting to push the limit now.

Actually in theory, 64 bit systems can support up to 16777216 Terabytes. Now that is hideously large.

If computer development wasn't slowing down (if it is at all), the time
when 64 bit computing will become obsolete from a memory perspective
will take 16 times longer than the time it took 32 bits to become
obsolete. Weve been on them about 20 years or so? You do
the math. Though thats not the only reason to migrate to larger
instruction sets.

Hi All,

cant remember the link for 64 bit but there is a link on my site www.tech-help.co.uk you will also find a link for the radeon 64 beta drivers for ati owners.

B2B

I have Win Pro x64 on my Amd 64 and even the 32bit programs runs much faster. HL2 and CS:S load much faster.

The downside is that many devices still dont have drivers...

Still waiting to get my hands on a Far Cry 64bit edition... :smile: