BlackOp Retreat

Hey all, just wanted to post some screenshots, and a demo file of what Ive mapped on BlackOp Retreat so far. All these images are from inside the editor, due to a bad leak which I cannot find (email me at vash939@aol.com or PM me if you`d like to help find it.) Basically, I am posting a .dem file to show what new-ish features this map will have, features which Other svencoop maps lack. Enjoy. To play the .dem file (for those of you who dont know) stick the .dem file in Half-Life/Valve, and the .bsp in Valve/maps. Then go into the Half-Life console, and type "playdemo bo_test" without quotes

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/vash/images/retreat/ <-- Retreat.zip, save target as, All images, and .dem file of BlackOP retreat.

Most shots were taken with enemies/entites taken out.











http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/vash/images/retreat/retreat.JPG

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/vash/images/retreat/retreat1.JPG

Thats looking damn spiffy. Keep it up.. and let me know when your ready for play testers.. Awesome job so far.

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Yummy! Lookin sexy.

Nice one vash, hope to see this one completley... complete. Well looks like I'm not working on bo_retreat2--oh well.

if only it was compiled?

Have to agree with Ferret on this one... You should probably compile it and post those screens instead of in-editor stuff. Not only good practice but, well, makes more sense. :smile:

EDIT: Okay, so you have a leak. It doesn't mean you have to hastily post any media of your map you can find/obtain. You really can't get any accurate criticism without a compile (unless there are very significant flaws present in the map geometry).

All these images are from inside the editor, due to a bad leak which I cannot find

No worries, I found the leak for him, so you should have lighting and whatnot soon enough.

it has been forever since i created a leak, and even longer since i had trouble locating one.

words of advice to our relatively new mappers (being those whom create leaks then can't seem to locate them)

compile often, after each significant addition..

unless you are really good, try to work on only one area at a time between compiles to assure WHERE one was created, and you can zone in on where to repair.

Good advice - I wish I'd followed it more consistently!

I map freely without regard for leaks, and then when i get leaks I fix them really fast. It sure beats mapping paranoid and spending 20 minutes placing each brush.

When you get really good at following pointfiles you can track down and fix leaks at a rate of about 1 leak every 2 minutes + csg and bsp time. Its not unusual for me to have 10 leaks in a big compile, but the thing is that it doesnt take very long to fix them. Overall this saves time and preserves creativity since you can just slap down stuff as you think of it and concentrate on the map instead of the technical details.

Great if you can do it - I just found my compile and loading times were long :sad: Also, I had to delete a whole bunch of entities in order to even RUN the map with a leak.

I'm a bit of both - I map pretty fast in editor with little caution on placing brushes, and so I do come up with quite a lot of leaks. On the other hand, I compile often, so I normally have one or two leaks to find per compile. Normally I can hunt these down in just a few minutes, although in particularly complex maps the framerate of 4 or whatever can get in the way of efficient pointfile following!

I'v never used the pointfile. Most of the time I get leaks it's because I've forgotten to seal off unbuilt areas of the map. If I can't find the leak in the 3D view then I just go over the map and check for brushes which aren't aligned neatly to the grid. That's almost always the problem.

someday, you guys should decompile a scary_1 map.(since i doubt you have originals of course.)

when i first started mapping, i couldn't imagine how steve made maps so quickly, with dramatic architecture, but no leaks, especially since i could see places where some should have been.

anyways, his style may not be unique, but it was cool to see..

i won't tell you, but you should still go look :biggrin:

Decompiling a map wouldn't give an accurate representation of the building techniques or style though orph, as decompiling doesn't give a true to the original output.

ReNo said:
Decompiling a map wouldn't give an accurate representation of the building techniques or style though orph, as decompiling doesn't give a true to the original output.

true, i had the originals, steve set me many, but it could/should show you how he pluged his holes :biggrin:

anyways, steve was a master, but he did cheat a bit , i doubt he worried any at all about possible holes. :wink:

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New screenshots.

Looks pretty good, I'd suggest reworking those textures. They seem "sloppy," but thats just my thought.

I dont see what's sloppy =/.

Well, for example, those stairs could be reworked.

ReNo said:
Decompiling a map wouldn't give an accurate representation of the building techniques or style though orph, as decompiling doesn't give a true to the original output.

Yah, I once had a rmf go corrupt on me, so I tried to decompile the bsp only to find that all the brushes were so messed up I might as well start from scratch.

Vash said:
I dont see what's sloppy =/.

i think the word would be "blocky" not sloppy..

refine your style, steps and such are rarely so huge.. look at the poor model, he could sleep on those steps :biggrin:

Orph, idea man, philophiser :smile: (I know I didnt spell it right)

Utterly amazing.

i musta missed something....whats amazing dietz?

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

im gonna have to try sven coop sometime.....i lost my copy of the mod somewhere during a reformat, and havent bothered to re-find it.... :biggrin:

NEW! Broken door for BlackOp Retreat (Thanks Perin!)

Like I said before, it looks alittle thin. Otherwise it looks really good.

I like the door, but the broken window looks a bit cheesy... when did you ever see a window broken that way?

I agree on the window, that has been bothering me.. its a security window, and it has metal bits in it.. how does it shatter?

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Exactly what are you talking about money shot? That window is made of glass and those metal shards are from the door..

Exactly what are you talking about money shot? That window is made of glass and those metal shards are from the door..

Look at the window textures. It's reinforced with a metal mesh. Those type of windows don't shatter, they just crack. (personal experience) :wink:

Yeah, I noticed that. But it looks so damn cool, so oh well :biggrin:

Then change the glass texture.

You'd probably also want to add raills to the door, doesn't look quite right.

Thanks Alien_Sniper.. =)

Maybe changing the glass texture then? or Make one that is just like that but all cracked. I dunno..

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I cant see the first 6 screenshots or so... what's the problem? The other screenshots look nice ...

I need to re:take them and re:upload them.

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Here j00 go.

the door frame wouldnt dent out. if it is damaged from a blast have the dent in the middle.
have some shrubs or some sort of plantlife fungus around that bridge, looks bit plane. nice tho.

Dont worry, you'll know why its dented when you play the map.

im guessing some sort of GIANT SUPER NINJA busts out and starts to eat all the sand, thus collapsing the bridge of a thousand snarks...
im going to take my medacation new.
the out door area seams a bit big/wide.
the texture at the botom of the door is off a bit.

Well, I am starting to run out of idea's. If anyone can help me, please contact me, or think of what would be good in this map..

just curious vash, what are the r's like in that big ass area outside?

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

...nice,Vash, nice... I'm looking forward to play...

I will only tell you right now, that if you go to the biggest open area, and look from one end to the next, there about 3,000. But that doesnt matter, because I will be adding rock work to cut down on visibility.

3,000 wpolys?! Make that VIS-blocking rock-work your priority then: the longer you leave r_speeds like that, the greater the chance is that you will not be able to fix them without a major redesign.

No worries gollum, I am now starting on the rock work. I will update you with screenshots when its near done (maybe a week or so).