trigger_hurt

troubles with trigger_hurt here.

Basically what i want to do is make a trigger_hurt able to be turned 'off' with the use of a button. For example, a large puddle electrified because of live cabling from a light, and 'using' the switch to cut the electricity. teh 'electricity' of course been a trigger_hurt.

i know that seting targets typically does what im asking but for some reason not on this

if this is a physical impossibility im happy to stick with invisible lasers....

all comments appreciated

Have the func_button target an env_global. Have the env_global set a Global State (let's say 'electricity). Set the Global State Master (or whatever) of a multisource to be 'electricity'. Set the multisource to be the Master of the trigger_hurt. You will probably want the env_global's Initial State to be On; then the func_button will toggle it off and in turn switch the trigger_hurt off.

Basically, the env_global creates a Global variable called 'electricity', initially OFF. When the button toggles the env_global, it switches the Global variable to ON. This Global variable is the Master of the multisource, which is the Master of the trigger_hurt. If you have trouble understanding, try this page: http://collective.valve-erc.com/index.php?ent=env_global

Invisible lasers are also an inventive solution too, if you don't feel like dealing with env_globals and such. But it's really not that difficult.

LOL, my god could you be more complex to the poor guy.

Just name the trigger_hurt, check the initially off flag, create a button, check the flag to make the button toggle and not move, enter the name of the trigger hurt in the target field and walla :biggrin: . Also set any delay and what not you would like in the button options

(both are correct :smile: so try either way)

There's an Initially Off flag to the trigger_hurt?!?! falls over

Mmm, I didn't know trigger_hurt behaved like that. Oh well. My way is better for learning purposes. :smile:

You could use a relay to turn it off.

I think those airstrike maps would be somewhat annoying if it wasn't possible to have the trigger_hurt turned off when the map loads :smile:

Campaignjunkie said:
There's an Initially Off flag to the trigger_hurt?!?! falls over

posts like this, from arguably, highly skilled mappers, make me appreciate this site more and more.

ever once in a while, a tid-bit comes to light.. we all just assume, that since we have been mapping for so long, that stuff like this wouldn't slip through the cracks of our learning processes.

you come to realize, that although we all start from square #1, our paths to our current stages, followed as many paths, as there are people in the membership listing.

shoot, i even taught gollum something new once, don't recall exactly what it was, but to me it was basic n00b info, to him it was brand new info.. and few can confuse which of us is master and pupil :smile:

*goes back and looks longingly at the skill of a certain boulder map*

I think the one you remember is the "how to combine VISgroups when the list is longer than the dialog box" example. But there are plenty of other things I learned from you Orph - they just are not so striking, so they get forgotten :smile:

The same, of course, is true of many other people around here from whom I have picked up tips/ideas/techniques/whatever. I can't recall who inspired me to stop using the toolbars and start using keyboard shortcuts, but it came very late in my mapping career. And whoever first pointed me to -onlyents I should like to kiss.

He knows much who knows he knows nothing :wink:

I think the one you remember is the "how to combine VISgroups when the list is longer than the dialog box" example

The scrollbar? :smile:

The problem is that you can't use the mouse to move the scrollbar and to drag a VISgroup at the same time.

The solution was....drumroll.....use the arrow keys to nudge the scrollbar! I was mapping for years before I found that out.

Ahhhh, right. Ok. I got confused for a second by what you meant; I thought you meant just the VisGroup window itself. :smile: Oops :razz:

Bah, it makes little difference. My real mistake was only slightly less incompetent than the mistake you mistook me to make

thanks for your input guys this here probs been bugging me for ages

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There's an Initially Off flag to the trigger_hurt?!?! falls over

thats pretty much how i reacted... ill use the env_global and multisource idea, mainly to help tie in the effects, sound, sparks etc

thanks guys! :smile:

if you are going to use CJ's idea, why did you mark grims blue?

i didn't it was like that when i got here...honest. i actully havent marked anyones right or wrong yet (havent put their ideas into practice just yet)... so...

One of the mods did it.

makes sense

blu_chze said:
thanks for your input guys this here probs been bugging me for ages

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There's an Initially Off flag to the trigger_hurt?!?! falls over

thats pretty much how i reacted... ill use the env_global and multisource idea, mainly to help tie in the effects, sound, sparks etc

thanks guys! :smile:

Why not just target a multi_mannager with the button? Or just name all of the effects the same as the trigger hurt, they would all activate at the same time? It's good to know the more complex ways of doing things but its more efficient to use simplified methods (saves time in the trouble shooting department also :smile: ), either way.

supposedly valve actually uses huge trigger_hurts for the 'nuke' effect maps. I prefer game_zone_player, though... that way you can define the SAFE area, and anyone NOT within it get zapped.

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Why not just target a multi_mannager with the button? Or just name all of the effects the same as the trigger hurt, they would all activate at the same time? It's good to know the more complex ways of doing things but its more efficient to use simplified methods (saves time in the trouble shooting department also :smile: ), either way.

true...multimanager a is simpler way...

i think it depends on the setup and number of entities...

the simplest answer is most often the correct one or something- for this situation ill stick to me multi_managers, but i didnt know there was the env_global optoin so i think ill keep it for the future

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...game_zone_player, though... that way you can define the SAFE area, and anyone NOT within it get zapped.

i actually havent come across this ent before- hows he work

Orpheus said:
if you are going to use CJ's idea, why did you mark grims blue?

It's okay, I'm used to being cheated out of my rightful Snarkmarks. Let it be known that my revenge will be swift and brutal. :razz:

Campaignjunkie said:

Orpheus said:
if you are going to use CJ's idea, why did you mark grims blue?

It's okay, I'm used to being cheated out of my rightful Snarkmarks. Let it be known that my revenge will be swift and brutal. :razz:

thats the spirit! but how will you win when leperous is god down here?

blu_chze said:

Campaignjunkie said:

Orpheus said:
if you are going to use CJ's idea, why did you mark grims blue?

It's okay, I'm used to being cheated out of my rightful Snarkmarks. Let it be known that my revenge will be swift and brutal. :razz:

thats the spirit! but how will you win when leperous is god down here?

well, we disregard leps score anyways, he has few post counts, (which thankfully for me, count little) few, answered questions,few maps scored, but has the most snarkmarks... somethins fishy in denmark :biggrin:

seriously though, the snarkmark system IMO is an excellent idea, but IMO does not accurately portray, whom has contributed the best to snarkpit.

look at my score, its awfully high, but for all the wrong reasons, the things i contributed most, like my critiques, and such, don't even count, but let me spark off a debate, where i am on the wrong side of an issue, and people start thumbing through my profile.. thats just wrong.

all my major contributions to SP, are buried deep under all the other postings. i wish critiques counted high enuff, that when someone clicked on my profile, they could read them like a pre-review. hell, as far as that goes, my reviews, are lost cause your personal news only holds so many, and they are now slipped below the page out of view.

the snarkmark system shows me as semi-popular, but IMO for all the wrong reasons :sad:

why are people so obsesed wiht those snark marks??

pepper said:
why are people so obsesed wiht those snark marks??

spoken like someone with only 37

Orpheus said:

pepper said:
why are people so obsesed wiht those snark marks??

spoken like someone with only 37

Spoken like someone with 2611 :heee:

erm, so what?? i dont give a ** about those snark marks