IT'S ALL OVER FOR WON

Half-Life

WON Authentication Ends July 31^st

Starting July 26th, the shutdown of the WON authentication servers will begin. This process will be completed on July 31^st. This means players will no longer be able to access Internet features of Valve games, such as Counter-Strike 1.5, using the WON authentication servers. Users can continue using Valve games on the Steam service by downloading the Steam installer and setting up a Steam account.

http://www.halflife-mods.com/news.php

Crap. Now I won't be able to play Homeworld over the internet.

This doesn't include Homeworld? Right? Just Half-Life?

It's only being shut down for Valve games as far as I know i dont think
that they are shutting the whole of the WON network down cos then other
developers games wouldn't beable to be played.

Only Valve I believe.. but that would suck if they did.... ALL OF EM!

2 questions:

When WON goes down, will I still be able to create a server for sven-coop? (just for beta purposes.)

Does valve plan on porting c-s 1.5 to steam? csrev.com sort of has a "bootleg" (right word??) version of 1.5 for steam.

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lip bends in Auska motion



THIIISSS SUCKS!

When WON goes down, will I still be able to create a server for sven-coop? (just for beta purposes.)

Yup.

Does valve plan on porting c-s 1.5 to steam? csrev.com sort of has a "bootleg" (right word??) version of 1.5 for steam.

Nope.

It's about freaking time. WON was so worthless.

people never like change. I think steam is well on its way to something that can be great. People just dont warm up to change at all.

You've got a very good point - for a long time, I used WON because it
was easier and everyone seemed to hate Steam. Then, recently, I wanted
to play NS, DoD and all of the newest versions of my favourites, so I
downloaded Steam...I've never looked back.

Reason why I hate steam is because valve just won't leave their damn games alone with it :razz:

It's like they made steam JUST SO nobody could play c-s 1.5, like they forced people to play the very un popular cz :sad:

How does a game company "force" anyone to use their products?

My only problem with steam is that it isn't woking right now.

i personally do not understand what this steam thing is. Now they're forcing everyone to use it. And what about the people who still use dial-up? that thing is 420.57 MB!!

i personally do not understand what this steam thing is. Now they're forcing everyone to use it. And what about the people who still use dial-up? that thing is 420.57 MB!!

Most people who play Valve games online use broadband, and dial-up users are very much in the minority these days.

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Most people who play Valve games online use broadband, and dial-up users are very much in the minority these days.
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I've been playing half-life online for ( SIX!!! ) years, and i was
jacked off with steam on its initial release - of course, I have seen
the light having acquired a phat broadband pipe.

i think it is naive to assume the HL players of the world are entirely
on broabdband, particuarly in steams case. I myself have only made the
switch in a fully "developed country", and can praise steam on a
personal basis. on a global broadband basis, thought, i cannot.

the whole thing smacks of "money talks, humanity doesn't". it is
entirely arrogant to assume the minority do not matter, or count to a
community or anything else on the same plain.. when they do. it's sad
when become self centred rather than selfless, no offence :/

the minority DOES count. Though you can't run a company and update your product based on the minority alone. Valve took everything into account and acted accordingly. Steam does not need to be a 400+ megabyte download. Download the simple files and then download what you need after that through steam's networks. Thats what I did and it worked fine.

I like playing the games on Steam, but only the first party ones...all my custom mods never work quite right and have horrible issues even with Steam in-mind for them too. As well, mapping with Steam just takes way longer than WON and is a hassle.

i think it is naive to assume the HL players of the world are entirely on broabdband, particuarly in steams case. I myself have only made the switch in a fully "developed country", and can praise steam on a personal basis. on a global broadband basis, thought, i cannot.

I never said HL players are entriely on broadband. It's just that dial-up is a very small minority, and will soon become obsolete as broadband is made more available.

the whole thing smacks of "money talks, humanity doesn't". it is entirely arrogant to assume the minority do not matter, or count to a community or anything else on the same plain.. when they do. it's sad when become self centred rather than selfless, no offence :/

lol, you're taking this far too seriously than you really should be. You have to remember that Valve are running a business here, and as such, crave money. I doubt they think the minority is useless; they just recognise that it won't be around for very long. So what's the point in clinging onto it? They're not being selfish, they're just being realistic. They want to develop a revolutionary way of content delivery, and they can now take advantage of the huge popularity surge of broadband and do it. I'm sure if Valve didn't bother with the idea, someone else would have taken advantage of the situation and beaten them to it.

Kage_Prototype said:

i think it is naive to assume the HL players of the world are entirely on broabdband, particuarly in steams case. I myself have only made the switch in a fully "developed country", and can praise steam on a personal basis. on a global broadband basis, thought, i cannot.

I never said HL players are entriely on broadband. It's just that dial-up is a very small minority, and will soon become obsolete as broadband is made more available.

the whole thing smacks of "money talks, humanity doesn't". it is entirely arrogant to assume the minority do not matter, or count to a community or anything else on the same plain.. when they do. it's sad when become self centred rather than selfless, no offence :/

lol, you're taking this far too seriously than you really should be. You have to remember that Valve are running a business here, and as such, crave money. I doubt they think the minority is useless; they just recognise that it won't be around for very long. So what's the point in clinging onto it? They're not being selfish, they're just being realistic. They want to develop a revolutionary way of content delivery, and they can now take advantage of the huge popularity surge of broadband and do it. I'm sure if Valve didn't bother with the idea, someone else would have taken advantage of the situation and beaten them to it.

Hurah for the trimph of sanity over idealism!

G.Ballblue said:
It's like they made steam JUST SO nobody could play c-s 1.5, like they forced people to play the very un popular cz :sad:

Err... CS 1.6 is a completely different game to CZ, and is nearly the same as CS 1.5... how are they forcing you to convert?

In other news, Steam is a bitch for mapping and any form of customization (the exception being mapping for custom mods). The interface has screwed around with my VHE, I can no longer run a map without MANUALLY starting up Steam and manually loading my map (which I could once do from within VHE).

SumhObo said:

G.Ballblue said:
It's like they made steam JUST SO nobody could play c-s 1.5, like they forced people to play the very un popular cz :sad:

Err... CS 1.6 is a completely different game to CZ, and is nearly the same as CS 1.5... how are they forcing you to convert?

In other news, Steam is a bitch for mapping and any form of customization (the exception being mapping for custom mods). The interface has screwed around with my VHE, I can no longer run a map without MANUALLY starting up Steam and manually loading my map (which I could once do from within VHE).

WHOA back it up back it up! beep beep beep

c-s 1.6, in my opinion, was better than 1.5 -- had quite a few improvements, better looking maps, and guns had their own "personality".

Reason I'm saying it's like vavle is forcing you to play c-z, is because they decided to throw their cruddy high definition models into 1.6. When I tried to port the 1.5 players models to cz, i got loads of screwy animations. And personally, valve's high definition models SUCK.

Mixing high definition with low definition is just NOT right. :razz:

Not only that, but I have to put up with their cruddy 1024x768 crosshair. blegh.

Maybe you should find a different game to play?

Kage_Prototype said:
I never said HL players are entriely on broadband. It's just that dial-up is a very small minority, and will soon become obsolete as broadband is made more available.

Dial-up may be a very small minority where you come from but it is the majority here in Aus, cause brodband is available to around 30% of the population and thats it...

Dial-up may be a very small minority where you come from but it is the majority here in Aus, cause brodband is available to around 30% of the population and thats it...

Like I said, dial-up is a very small minority in terms of HL players.

Ferret said:
the minority DOES count.

Not always. For instance, games like SOCOM on PS2 are broadband only. I guess that doesn't really relate to this, though.

It is a pity that steam doesn't work with dial-up, since HL had such a sweet netcode. Any game that lets me play with a 680 average ping has a place near my heart.

But steam fixed all the problems that had basically broken HL on my computer for about a year, and for that I am grateful. Plus it's stable and reliable, offline at least :biggrin:

Maybe you should find a different game to play?

Or maybe he should stop bitching, since its a free game ...

I've only found one 3rd party mod that didn't work with steam (for some unknown reason) and that was the latest (only the latest the others work fine) ESF version ... it always gives a missing DLL error ... like a panzy.

I love the old (NEW) debate of CS 1.5 vs 1.6.

People need to wake up and smell the coffee, CS 5.2 > ALL! after b6.5 it all went to hell with a tirade of idiots being attracted to the game.

I had dialup.. and used Steam on without problems. I downloaded Steam at friend's and burned on CDs :O

Updates come on Wednesdays, so you know which day is the Steam-Update time!

Whatever Gwil. If they had a round timer and the knife in beta 1 it would have been the best. I want my AWP shootable without zooming and my powerful weapons scarce. I also want heaping spoonfuls of vitamin shotgun.

I liked CS when the M4A1 was still zoomable and fully silenced.

For me it went down hill when it went retail and loads of kids got
there hands on it cos they just piss me off so I dont play it anymore.

As for Steam I like it apart from it wont let me play DoD on any of my
computers it will on my mates and sister partners but it wont on mine.

and dial-up is still the world most common connection I do have
broadband its only 150Kbps connection, but it is a cable modem. Where
as my friend who only lives 30 mins away is stuck with a dial-up
connection cos BT wont put in broadband and NTL wont cos BT wont.
Although aparently BT are supposed to be putting it in around december
this year.

But anyway dial-up is more common than broadband cos the companies dont
want to put it in for all the small towns if they wont get enough
people to use it and its just to expencive for the developing countrys.

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On the contrary, developing countries use broadband from the start to save the extra money that would be needed to build one system, then replace it later. Also, dialup may be the most common connection, but gamers are among the first to sign up to broadband when it comes out because of the obvious imediate benifits to gaming, and because they are also ususally the type of people who will want to download stuff. I don't think Valve are stupid enough to move all their products over to a technology most people don't have... of course people still stuck on modem will be angry, but it's pretty hard to find something you can do that doesn't make somebody angry.

I haven't noticed many modem users playing online games in ages, almost everyone I see has a sub 100 ping, which would hint at the majority of gamers being broadband users.

sniff i still remembet the good ol' CS betas. sniff I still remember the time when low-def models were considered "advanced" I raise a glass of root beer and snark juice to the demise of WON, not just a network, an era.

runs off overflowed with emotion

I haven't noticed many modem users playing online games in ages, almost everyone I see has a sub 100 ping, which would hint at the majority of gamers being broadband users.

Probably because lots of neo-Nazi admins kickban anybody with more than 100 ping, as if it somehow detracts from everyone's game experience to have an easy target and poor shot.

Also, I'd like to lobby for the new Counter-strike - lots of you guys are too much anti-idiot to see the enjoyable gameplay of a real CS match. Sure there's quite a few morons out there who play fy_iceworld, but then a LAN with the guys on cs_italy is enough to restore my faith in the game. You get the good with the bad.

They aren't easy targets in games like DoD...it's so hard to shoot someone lagging in that game.

High latency and lagging (caused by packet-loss) are not same thing.