grav gun ammo

There seems to be a bit of controversy about this, so i wanted to ask your opinions via this poll, to know it once and for all.

With grav gun ammo i mean the throwable stuff in a map. Is it an
integral part of HL2 and does it make a map better, or is it not a must?

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Depends on the map I think.

Some maps are really cool without prop tossing.

But everyone has his/her own opinion about this because we have grav-gun junkies out there AND people who really hate it.

Three.

Gravgun ruined deathmatch!

One.

The grav-gun is the only thing that makes HL2DM special. If you don't like it, play UT in DM mode and stop crying :evilgrin: .

Purely dependent on the map. I can't really see there being another option :smile:

I am more of an old-fashioned kinda guy, and I prefer those traditional weapons (Magnum, rockets, grenade, machine guns). Gravity gun is cool for the single-player level, but I don't really care for it in a deathmatch.

Grabbing it and throwing things at random direction in a deathmatch is just total choas. It doesn't require strategy or skill.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

I think the grav gun can be used very well with both strategy and
skill, but at the same time it can just be used completely at random
and still garner some kills. I voted map dependant, but I think that
most maps do need some physics objects for throwing.

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Where is the fun if you cant throw toilets at people

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Like I think someone stated before, yes the gravity gun gives a unique feel to half-life two deathmatch, I love shooting people with random objects and them dying from them. Some maps can be good with limited physics, and I have seen a lot of maps without physics, and they weren't too great to deathmatch in.

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If you dont have any probs, then the player is stuck with a usless wepon.

Name a single place where you cant find any objects that aren't bolted
down? I'm not just talking boxes and barrels, there are plenty
more props that the grav gun can use.

Hell I've killed people with the shoe prob before.

bottom line, #1 but think outside the barrel.

How are they stuck with a useless weapon? In HL2DM even the pistol
isn't useless, and the melee weapons are extremely useful in a good
number of circumstances. I'm not saying the grav gun is bad, but its
far from the only useful weapon.

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I find the gravgun is most useful, more useful than anything! Just think,
I can use it to throw stuff at people (1 shot, 1 kill), I can use it to
grab items located in inaccsessible areas, I can use it as a cheap
grenade launcher...hell, I can even use it to fly (sort of)! Then again,
it's all a matter of gameplay tehnique.

In HL2DM even the pistol isn't useless

Aside from igniting an explosive barrel, how can the pistol be useful? Yeah, it can kill people when they are on their last leg (with no sheild and 3 of Health), but I never arm myself with that in a deathmatch.

If in doubt and low on ammo, I bust out the crowbar in close quarters.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

I use the pistol more than the SMG when I spawn, and I tend to do well
by doing so. Other people use the SMG and just wait to reload once they
have expended a clip, but I just chop and change between the 2 and it
works a treat. The pistol is more useful than you would think,
particularly if using it over long ranges and you aim for the head.
Obviously its not up to the usefulness of the crossbow or something
(imo thats still the best weapon in the game, once you get used to
leading your shots), and you're better off charging with a melee weapon
or spraying the SMG if in really close quarters, but if you can use the
pistol with accuracy its far from useless.

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How are they stuck with a useless weapon? In HL2DM even the pistol
isn't useless, and the melee weapons are extremely useful in a good
number of circumstances. I'm not saying the grav gun is bad, but its
far from the only useful weapon.

as in the grav gun has little or no use when there is no "ammo" for it.

the grav gun is a great weapon but not something i needed to use all the time.

jaardsi said:
Three.

Gravgun ruined deathmatch!

I somewhat agree. It seems that no matter WHAT connection I am playing on, gravs**te makes it lag. Also, The stuff always falls out of my gravgun's grip and then i can't throw it anymore. Also, gravgun would be perfectly fine most of the time, if it wasn't the default weapon that you start out with, because it always seems like the other guns AND the throwables are very far away...

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on mulitplayer i hate the grav gun (from the one time i played hl2:dm). its too powerful most of the time and lags things up like s**t.

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"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

I dont get much of any lag and I play on the SP server! It could very well be your computer trying to compute the physics.

Also, there is a command to change your spawn wepon. You could find it on google.

but, Drglass, my computer is pretty fast. 2.0 P4 with 2GB ram. It runs DOOM3 with really high settings and benchmarks really nicely, so I don't see why it woukld lag on HL2.

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grav gun on SP doesnt lag for me its when i play multiplayer.

it is my computer: 1.6ghz P4, Geforce FX 5200, 640mb Ram, so i expect lag but not so much when it comes to grav gun.

I think it depends on the map. I kinda like the grav gun sometimes, and hate it others.

Until Later...

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I think the grav gun proves how uncreative valve have become. However- I do believe in some form of weapon or ability to make use of items in levels, some way of throwing a sink at someones head or something, but the grav gun?! Cumon! What a piece of crap.

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-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-

you are the first person that i know that has dissed the grav gun.

but i have to disagree with one point: uncreative? i would say it was a really original idea and really creative.

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

changed the model to a hand would be so cool, star wars style :>

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Boo f**king Hoo

uncreative

No no no, I cannot I shall not believe this! The grav gun uncreative?
It's one of the most original weapons made yet and , as proof, doom3
never had this weapon although implementing it was quite possible.

It's by far more creative than UT2004s and DOOM3's weapons, which everyone seem to praise.

You guys don't really understand the design process then. The grav gun is the equivalent of a hyper active designer wanting something to do everything, then in the end just saying "screw it, make it pick up s**t and throw it, I don't know how else to do it". If they had gone through the design process more they could have created something far more original.

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-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-

From what I've read, the grave gun wasn't just something that was put together in the last stage of development.

I mean, how the hell else would you manipulate the physics with one
item? I mean they could have had like 4 diffrent wepons that did
all the stuff the grav gun does.

Myrk I think your just looking for ways to be negative.

Yeah, I think Myrk is just having a bad day. The gravity gun is the best thing about HL2. It makes it stands out from all the other shooter games.

All the other shooter games have a pistol, a machine gun, a shotgun, a crossbow and/or sniper rifle, a rocket launcher, grenades (and maybe some knife or some other melee weapon). But a gravity gun?! That's uniquely HL2.

Tell me truthfully that you did not have fun playing ball with Dog when you first got the gun, and I'll declare you clinically insane.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

they could have created something far more original.

Like what? It seems to me that you have a far more original idea than valve had. Care to share it with us ? :smile:

If new members are allowed to comment, I vote #2.

If not, disregard my post and count number.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

of course new memebers are allowed to vote or comment. any member can do pretty much what they like in regard to commenting etc.

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

No taboo subjects then? I find that a bit hard to believe. Surely something is off limits.

Its no wonder there is an atmosphere of hostility. I am not saying its overboard, but since I have been here, I have seen a bit over the top on a few replies. I have been hesitant to even dig past page one on most of the forums.

I think I will play it by ear till I see which way the threads are going if thats OK. Seems a bit safer to me that way.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

No taboo subjects then? I find that a bit hard to believe. Surely something is off limits.
Its no wonder there is an atmosphere of hostility. I am not saying
its overboard, but since I have been here, I have seen a bit over the
top on a few replies. I have been hesitant to even dig past page one on
most of the forums.

I think I will play it by ear till I see which way the threads are going if thats OK. Seems a bit safer to me that way.

If you are a hard worker and dont ask stuff that could be looked up on
google you'll do fine. Infact we love new mappers, or at least I
do.

I'd say that some of us get really into some issues, but I'm sure no
one will be upset about your insight. Anyways, 98% of the people
on the forums cant DO anything to you anyways.

Underdog, I know you're trying to avoid flamewars, but you're taking
this place way too seriously. The pit isn't exactly a cult with
initiation rituals and all that kind of stuff... You can usually post
whatever you want wherever you want (Almost. Pr0n stays off generally.
Shame.). You may get flamed a bit, but hey, it's a message board on the
internet. Nothing "serious". That's where you see most of the
bitterness from, I think: people who take this stuff too seriously.

Guys who've been around a while generally don't blow up too often. And
even when they do you can learn from it if it is something useful (like
in the mapping section), or ignore it, or laugh at it because it's
usually humourous.

Besides, it's ever pitter's duty to incite flamewars and derail topics. Life wouldn't be the same without them.

I can prove it to you:

Hey orph, you're a fat ugly commie!

Perhaps I just should have waited a bit or have showed up at a bad time. If its not as bad as it looks then fine. My problem at this point is that I don't have a map to post, I have no answers to post, and no Art. I haven't a question yet so I am rooted within the "General" forum for now.

As I said, I think I will like it here but for now feel like an outsider cause everyone indicates there are underlying conditions I am missing through my ignorance of the sites community.

To seriously is a fault of mine. I will attempt to get it in check. My personality is basically a "helper" person. Yet, I have no one to help presently cause I cannot map. I am feel lost and yet, do not want to create problems by posting where I do not belong.

Thanks for being patient. I will loosen up.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Don't feel compelled to post. We don't watch your quota and send
threatening emails if you aren't making 100 posts a day. Hell, I've
been a member since the second version of the site, and I don't post
that often :smile: .

And don't pussy-foot around either. To be honest the reason you might
have been called a bit wierd is because you constantly do nothing that might
offend someone. Some new members start abusing the regulars from the
word go, which isn't something you want to do. But if you aren't too
offensive and don't seriously attack/abuse someone you'll be right.

So take Fraggard's advice and throw yourself in. And now lets never again hear of how you want to be careful :smile: .

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'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

Now I am posting to frequently too?

OK then.

Sorry.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Geez :rolleyes: . See above.

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Ham and Jam Contributor
http://www.hamandjam.org

'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

You guys talk like you have been around the block, yet you act like your block is only here. Some other mapping sites are horrible places. Just joining is an adventure. Try being at a site where your very presence as a new mapper is a crime for a while. You will then know my trepidations when I see heated replies. My one saving grace was, I do not argue often. My fault however is when I need to, I know not how. Best to avoid them.

Lets just play it by ear. Consider my caution warranted or don't but I do not want to be constantly on the alert.

I will loosen up, eventually.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

hell, i almpst never post outside the general banter forum, i have submitted a map but it wont be finished for a long time (not my fault) and i post to almost every topic in here! i would suggest: post whatever the hell you feel unless its immature or would piss anyone off. look at satchmo's topic about fetishes - sex is still a no-go in many soicieties but he got almost no stiff for posting it, in fact its becoming incresingly popular. your a nice guy but loosen up a little, underdog, dont so conscious about other people just know your own and their own line that shouldnt be crossed.

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

And if anyone gives you trouble just insult their mom and tell them your going to find them and shoot them.<br style="color: lightblue;">

I mean its the internet! People can care less.

As long as you just say what you honestly thing and feel and dont go
bashing other people's thoughts and opinions you'll be fine. You
should have see the thread about gay marrige!! Some people really
dug into each other, but they were only sticking to what they belived.

Thats what I like about this place, people dont ride other members e-member. We all have our own opinions an disscuss and dissagree.

[color=#add8e6]you're going to find them and shoot them.

[/color] ...on a server and in a deathmatch, of course.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

you're going to find them and shoot them.

...on a server and in a deathmatch, of course.

Yes... thats what I ment...