do u acept death?

i am bored so here i am. ok do u acept death? i do but when people hear me say this they think that i want death, and i think that that is stupid, i am just saying that i no that we all will die some time and we cant change that its not that i want death. what do you guys think about this? and do u acept it?

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If you don't accept death then your screwed.

Is it proper to even think the word "Accept" in association of an eventuality?

Everything dies.

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...how can you not accept death? It's inevitable. I don't like to think about it, but... it's kinda obvious....

Perhaps he's after the fact that some of us might believe in afterlife. Not accepting death as the end.

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I stand by what I said.

I didnt notice all my type-os i feel real smart:grenade:

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Pvt.Scythe said:
Perhaps he's after the fact that some of us might believe in afterlife. Not accepting death as the end.

I do not believe that death ends ones existence. I am unsure that the continuation is in effect "life" though. In other words, I am not really keen on the concept of "Afterlife"

To me, its just another kind.

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inevitable....get over it, or be miserable...

Doc B... :dodgy:

I don't like thinking about the end, everything might just turn black, like when one sleeps, without any dreams.

However, I wonder if having children changes your views and make you
feel like you continue to live through them. I know of few of you have
children. For you that have, does having children change your view of
death in any way?

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OtZman said:
I know of few of you have children. For you that have, does having children change your view of death in any way?

Speaking for meself? Nope. But it does change ones view on life.

It really hits you hard when you move on to Grand parenthood. My view on infant and/or young children has really altered.

I notice neglect far sooner than I used to. Back then it was normal to see this or that cause.. I was doing it too. Now, it looks like simple self centered neglectfulness.

I do however realize that if I live twice my present age, I will be really f**king old. So, Assuming I live that long, I am 1/2 way to death now.

Thats disturbingly soon.

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who would prefer not to know about it, when their time eventually comes?

being conscious for a minute or two after decapitation would be a lot freakier than passing away quietly in your sleep, but would be a really memorable experience, sort of thing.

but more to the point, do you accept life?

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Living for a few minutes after decapitation occurred with frightening regularity in days past.

I can think of a few things I'd rather remember. Just knowing that people lived a while after the event is enough for me.

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Living for a few minutes after decapitation occurred with frightening regularity in days past.

That's probably why he used that example.

i am indifferent to death atm except that there are certain things i would like to experience before i die

1. touch a boobie

check

/me rolls.

You guys..

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Maybe the only reason we die is BECAUSE we accept it as an inevitability. If you become enlightened to the point that you do not accept death, then maybe you don't die...

I don't really beleive that, but it's interesting to think about.

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Sounds like the ultimate expression in denial..

I firmly believe we die. I am unsure about what comes next. Nothing religious in that believe me. As I said before though, I am a firm believer in Ghost/Spirits. I have had first hand (actually there weren't any hands involved) experience with them.

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If you deny death to the point that you don't think it'll happen to you, it makes your funeral much more humorous.

Personally I think they should ban all funerals.

Its the ultimate form of lying bastards. I hate how they lament on this or that when all along they are glad the bastard is gone.

I also hate the insensitivity of funerals. People who say "It was a lovely funeral" should be shot. Someone died for Christ sakes. How can that be beautiful?

/rant

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Oh, I was not glad when my grandfather died. It was one of the worst weeks of my life. It disgusts me that you'ld say something like that.

I haven't given a lot of thought to death. I've only recently exited the teenage years, and have had very few reminders of my own mortality thus far. That being said, I'm probably just leaving my "feeling invincible" stage that goes along with the teenage years. I don't want to die anytime soon, so I don't know if I can say I've accepted death. I understand its inevitable, but that doesn't mean I'd be content to pass away.

Orpheus said:
Personally I think they should ban all funerals.

Its the ultimate form of lying bastards. I hate how they lament on this or that when all along they are glad the bastard is gone.

I also hate the insensitivity of funerals. People who say "It was a lovely funeral" should be shot. Someone died for Christ sakes. How can that be beautiful?

/rant

Jesus Orph, you're cynical! When a family member departs, do you truly believe everyone is "glad the bastard is gone"? Or were you kidding?
I've only been to 2 funerals in my life (I'm lucky), but both have been very sensitive and sad affairs. When someone says "it was a lovely funeral", I understand that they mean that it was a touching rememberence of the recently departed. Funerals are caused by death, but most often they are a celebration of life and while they are sad, they are often the only way for a group of people to commiserate and cope. At least that's my understanding.

Addicted to Morphine said:
I haven't given a lot of thought to death. I've only recently exited the teenage years, and have had very few reminders of my own mortality thus far. That being said, I'm probably just leaving my "feeling invincible" stage that goes along with the teenage years. I don't want to die anytime soon, so I don't know if I can say I've accepted death. I understand its inevitable, but that doesn't mean I'd be content to pass away.

I've only been to 2 funerals in my life (I'm lucky), but both have been very sensitive and sad affairs. When someone says "it was a lovely funeral", I understand that they mean that it was a touching rememberence of the recently departed. Funerals are caused by death, but most often they are a celebration of life and while they are sad, they are often the only way for a group of people to commiserate and cope. At least that's my understanding.

i am still in the teenage years and i accept death and u are lucky that u have been to only 2 i have been to 6 my great and grand parents and uncle and aunt any way i am not atacking u i am just saying and wow alot of people replied to this im suprised

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Dude.... please use punctuation...

I accept the death of others around me, but for myself I fear it to a point. We all "accept" that if you put your hand in a blender you lose your fingers, but few people test it. I guess I respect the fact that I'm always in the presence of things that could end my life, but don't let it bother me.

One of the biggest weaknesses I feel that people have is constant fear of foolish things. People who are afraid to fly because of terrorism, yet drive 80+ in the rain.

We're all going to die. Good night.

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Bill Gates understands binary: his company is number one, and his customers are all zeros.

It's 1 AM, so like... good morning?

my computer froz on me, and thats why i didnt do that.

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Addicted to Morphine said:
Jesus Orph, you're cynical! When a family member departs, do you truly believe everyone is "glad the bastard is gone"? Or were you kidding?

That is NOT what I said and you know it!

Its obvious that you have not attended very many funerals. By and large, they are filled with people who either really do not want to be there or worse, want to.

Its painfully obvious that most people do not lead exemplary lives. As such they tend to collect quite a few... Bad memories.

Don't get me wrong... I know for certain that not everyone dies and people are glad of it but the simple truth is, they do not lament on the realities of that persons lives.

I have only attended a half dozen or so funerals and in each it was the same.. So and so was a wonderful father/mother. They did this or that for their children. blah,blah.

Funerals are the epitome of politically correctness. NO ONE is going to say, "Joe stuck his dingaling into his daughter a dozen times at least" or "Mary Sue couldn't cook if her ass depended upon it. Its no wonder she had to screw around"

Yeah, these are extreme examples.. AND I am not saying that they depict anything that you should concern yourselves with but its the basic truth. When someone dies, the living lie about them.
If/when I die, I want no funeral.. AND I damned sure don't want a bunch of people lying about how wonderful I was.

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in that case, maybe marriages should be abolished altogether, as most of them involve two people standing up in front of their friends and family and telling bare faced lies. that would also kill the gay marriage debate stone dead.

two birds, one stone.

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To a point I'd have to agree but everyone knows (or should know) that there are no fairy tale marriages. If they accept this going in to the union, then they'd suffer a lot less afterward.

I dunno though. Theres a bit of a difference between the two. After all, once you die, its a bit late to fix any errors you may have caused. Marriage at least as long as it last, has a chance of repair.

My wife and I fight like siblings but, I'd not have it any other way. At least we have little doubts about the others opinions/views/thoughts.

People who pent up their anger end up in some post office shooting the clerk. :sad:

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wtf... do i acpet def?
This thread is nothing but a cheap rip-off of all the religon-discussions which have been... discussed to death.

Orpheus said:
Its obvious that you have not attended very many funerals. By and large, they are filled with people who either really do not want to be there or worse, want to.

This is rich. Because I disagree with you, I must be unfamiliar with funerals and therefore I must be wrong. You love posing as the superior in these types of debates, but don't worry Orph, I don't buy into it.

I don't think that every funeral, by and large, is filled with people who either really do not want to be there or worse, want to. You can call me naive, but I'll just call you a cynic, or worse, someone who has met few good men/women over the course of their life.

Orpheus said:
Its painfully obvious that most people do not lead exemplary lives. As such they tend to collect quite a few... Bad memories.

Don't get me wrong... I know for certain that not everyone dies and people are glad of it but the simple truth is, they do not lament on the realities of that persons lives.

I have only attended a half dozen or so funerals and in each it was the same.. So and so was a wonderful father/mother. They did this or that for their children. blah,blah.

Funerals are the epitome of politically correctness. NO ONE is going to say, "Joe stuck his dingaling into his daughter a dozen times at least" or "Mary Sue couldn't cook if her ass depended upon it. Its no wonder she had to screw around"

Yeah, these are extreme examples.. AND I am not saying that they depict anything that you should concern yourselves with but its the basic truth. When someone dies, the living lie about them.

If/when I die, I want no funeral.. AND I damned sure don't want a bunch of people lying about how wonderful I was.

I have only met a handful of people over the course of my life who I would think ill of at their funeral (and even that's a stretch, because honestly I have never truly despised anyone). I am well aware that nobody is perfect, but then again, I like to think there are many people who have done many positive things in their lives, and it benefits everyone to esteem the good things they've done when they pass. Whats the use of abolishing funerals and saying instead "Good Riddence!"
If you don't want a funeral when you die, that's your choice. Personally, I think its a necessary, healthy, and overall positive ceremony.

I think, that you think that you want to be contrary bud. I stick to my post mainly because its a near accurate account of exactly how funerals are.

You know as well as I do that neither of us really cares if the other has a valid point, we simply want to be difficult.

There is no "must be wrong" there simply is "wrong"

I think where your problem lies is, you want to believe that the world can be made positive simply by thinking positively.

Sadly, its untrue.

Look Morph, if you want to be a prick thats fine but don't accuse me of thinking you're wrong. At least not when you are whether I am here or not.

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I guess I just need to tell myself that when I reply to something you say, it's purely for my own edification (gained from thinking out my position and putting it down) and not because I hope to change your mind, because we both know at this point that you'll never leave a discussion different from when you entered it. You'll walk in, spout your "wisdom" from on high, and walk out satisfied no matter what I have to say.

If you want to lay claim to the title as the man behind 5,000 maps (source: your profile), that's fine. I'm not gonna attempt to verify that astronomical number. But if you want to pose as the internet expert on funerals too, pardon me if I object and speak up.

Orpheus, I think you have a very limited world view (as do we all) and I think it would do you some good to realize this. Your cynical opinion on people and life isn't THE truth, just YOUR truth. To me, the way you look at life rings false.

For a long while I often wondered if I was crazy for being the only person on this site who regularly would try to debate an issue with you. I'd wonder why no one else would speak up, either for or against me. Most of it is probably because no one likes to walk into a s**t storm, but some of it (I'm guessing) is that most people prefer not to get into it with you, knowing full-well that attempting to reason with you is about as satisfying as arguing with a wall.

If anyone else here thinks I'm unneccessarily being a prick, I apologize.

1st, why in the world would you think being a prick is un-necessary? In most communications its required.

Look bud, I really don't care if I ever change your views. I don't care if somehow everything I ever say is put in the "file 13" basket of your mind. What I would like is that someday you get back to me and say, "Orph, you weren't as wrong as often as I thought you were"

Thats all.

Call it ageism or whatever you wish but cynical comes with age. I do however think it a bit unfair to totally dismiss my comment simply because your first thought is "My god, he has reached new heights in stupid"

As for my maps reaching the 5,000 mark.. Thats a bit conservative don't you think?

This site alone has a great abundance of maps and I was helpful in many of them. If this site were the only one on the web, you could show some scorn but... If I am not permitted to claim that I had "some" input into every map I helped with, whats the use in helping?

Use your smarts. How long would it really take to help on 5,000 maps? You are seriously hurting my feelings with your disdainful attitude toward my admittedly pathetic assistance to mappers around the globe. However, if I were some total loser, how would one amass so many?

If you feel that you are simply butting heads with me, you are more than welcome to abstain from doing so... I'd rather you didn't but I will NOT be the cause of you wasting your time on some old loser has been.

Addicted to Morphine said:
For a long while I often wondered if I was crazy for being the only person on this site who regularly would try to debate an issue with you. I'd wonder why no one else would speak up, either for or against me. Most of it is probably because no one likes to walk into a s**t storm, but some of it (I'm guessing) is that most people prefer not to get into it with you, knowing full-well that attempting to reason with you is about as satisfying as arguing with a wall.

Look at your membership date. You are only the most recent to give up trying. I think it a bit small minded of you to wonder why YOU are the only one. In fact therein lies your biggest problem. You think very little of what occurred prior to your advent unto Snarkdom.

Seriously, even if we never agree on any topic you feel is important does that preclude our rights to having them?

Get over yourself Morph. For all my close mindedness views for being old, you suffer them in triplicate and at a much younger age. It took you far less time to close those doors and prolly with much less strife in your life.

Before you say it, open minded is not the ability to accept anything. Its the ability to see what you despise and still keep looking.

I am open minded. You, I am doubtful about but.. That would be close minded and.. Contradictory.

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I can't help but feel it prudent to point out that this website has, in total, only 1967 maps listed. You've been one of the most frequently helpful members of the site Orph, but I think you should knock a 0 off the end of that number :wink:

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AtM, believe me when i tell you, ill argue with this old fart till the cows come home, if the argument is warranted....but i must not leave this thread until i spout the "agism" factor again......you young guys really dont understand the prevelance or gravity of that little fact. my problem is that from my vantage point, hes not that far off the mark, if at all.....life hands you lemons, you make lemonade....but it doesnt mean you forget what friggin tree the lemons came from....capice?

big jon, yer still my hero.....and AtM, yer a good kid, from what i can tell....be a bit flexible.....

my 2 cents////

Doc B... :dodgy:

ReNo said:
I can't help but feel it prudent to point out that this website has, in total, only 1967 maps listed. You've been one of the most frequently helpful members of the site Orph, but I think you should knock a 0 off the end of that number :wink:

and? Snarkpit is my home but it is one of the smallest HL editing sites I know of.

If it makes you feel better Duncan, we'll say your right and leave it at that.

I may spend most of my present time here but, it wasn't that way once.

Ask yourself this though... Does my acquiescing make you feel better or worse?

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<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>・quoting Orpheus</DIV>
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What I would like is that someday you get back to me and say, "Orph, you weren't as wrong as often as I thought you were"

Thats all.

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In all seriousness, I'll let you know if I realize you were right about certain things we argued about. What gets me is, I suspect the possibility of you saying the same thing to me is close to zero.

Age (and Member Number) seems to trump all, and I can't argue with it since I'm only 21 (and 2000+). Seeing as you have a 22 year head start on me (and that's a gap I'll never be able to close) I can't imagine when we'll ever be able to have an argument in which you'll see me as something more than an inferior.

Coincidentally, I'm in China right now, home of filial piety and unwavering, unquestionable respect for ones elders. Perhaps you'd prefer I treat you with a more Confucian sense of deference, but seeing as this is the internet, where the words and thoughts should matter more than one's identity (or maybe I'm being too naively democratic), I hoped I'd be able to argue with you on more equal footing.

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my problem is that from my vantage point, hes not that far off the mark, if at all

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In the face of two opinions rather than one, it's easier for me to consider this sadder version of reality. If nothing else, I hope in my lifetime I never have to attend a funeral where the majority of people wish they could spit on the casket. :sad:

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Addicted to Morphine</DIV>
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In the face of two opinions rather than one, it's easier for me to consider this sadder version of reality. If nothing else, I hope in my lifetime I never have to attend a funeral where the majority of people wish they could spit on the casket. :sad:

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You're letting your age show again. I may use over dramatizations in my examples, but I never said that, nor meant it in those terms. You seem determined to use my words against me in some way to prove a point that otherwise would be taken at face value.

My point isn't that people want them dead. My point was that people seldom think in reality while attending a funeral.

Look, even I can envision funeral where the dead person should be mourned. I had a friend hit by a truck at age 8 or so. I cried for weeks. But that is an exception, one I am sure of many.

I am also into percentages and I have attended 100% of the funerals I have been to where the preacher and the living lied through their teeth.

Anyway.. My point about your membership date has nothing to do with your real age. My point was, you are but recently here. I have butted heads with everyone... I think thats a safe comment to say.. Its not as unprovable as my 5,000 maps thing at least.

I want you to be true to yourself. Your treatment of me should reflect your real self. If that self is contempt of my very being then so be it. I won't lose any sleep over it. BUT at least stick to your guns.
I would however ask that you curtail your replies with a bit less youthful angst. It boors me to no end to be reminded that I am an old hard headed asshole by a young hard headed assholes.

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Angst is good... if you are an Angsty hero in some RPG...

In all fairness, most funerals have at least little kids that their parents dragged to the funeral who would rather be anywhere but in the room with a dead guy...

Then you have people that will genuinely miss the guy, but maybe not that annoying way he'd muss your hair, or how he'd always eat your ice cream, or other trivial things.

You have people who are there out of politeness, and never really knew the guy, they were just aquantiences, and really don't want to be there...

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Orpheus said:
I want you to be true to yourself. Your treatment of me should reflect your real self. If that self is contempt of my very being then so be it. I won't lose any sleep over it. BUT at least stick to your guns.

If I stuck to my guns everytime we argued I'm confident we'd end up in a shouting match, or worse.

At some point the argument wears itself out for me, and othertimes, at the exhortations of others like Doc B, I try to be flexible.
I'll admit, I'm a little confused right now. Several times you've told me to stick to my guns. But in every debate the language you wield emphasizes I'm wrong. I would think that if I was reasonable and accepted even a little bit of what you had to say you'd be satisfied, but instead you're somehow disappointed. If you want someone to go 12 rounds with you on every issue, never tire, and never back down, or change their minds, I suggest you write the posts for both sides of the argument from now on. And I don't mean that in as much of a smartass manner as it may sound. I'm not seething right now or anything, just wondering what you expect from a debate.

Just because he thinks you're wrong, doesn't mean he can't encourage you to stick to what you belive is right.

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Fjorn said:
Just because he thinks you're wrong, doesn't mean he can't encourage you to stick to what you belive is right.

That sounds good, but it doesn't leave room for me to change what I believe.

I refuse to answer the question until I know exactly what you are asking. Be more specific please.

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Addicted to Morphine said:
That sounds good, but it doesn't leave room for me to change what I believe.

Why is that an all consuming ideal for the young? Yeah, I thought that way once too but, its not so much at the top of my list anymore.

Listen, I know that my replies seem contrary to each other at times but in my thinking, each are individual to the conditions present at the time. In one discussion I see that there must be winners and losers. In a totally different discussion, the concept of winning and losing has no meaning at all.

This being the latter. Who cares, or who could care about winning this discussion about the outcome of funerals? Seems to me that the only real important thing is that someone died. What that persons life meant is of little importance to the living if truth be told. The important thing in this discussion is how we handle ourselves while discussing it.

OK.. 1st I express my disdain for funerals.. 2nd, someone shows their disdain for ME.

Does anyone besides me see something inherently wrong with that?

Why can't it be an opposing view to my statement instead of a direct opposition to ME?

This is, and will always be my chief issue with people here. Very few people can stay centered in their thinking. Orpheus said this or Orpheus said that.. Forget the Orpheus part and simply comment on the topic.

I must ask, why its always a case of personal vendetta or jab/parry/thrust/block?????
I am not now, nor have I been the enemy, but I am very tired of defending myself as if I were.

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Listen, I know that my replies seem contrary to each other at times but in my thinking, each are individual to the conditions present at the time.

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You just have this very harsh, direct tone sometimes, Orpheus. I mean "all funerals should be banned"? Of course you don't really mean it but you're acting all surprised and upset if others start replying that they felt offended or - for christ's sake - didn't understand the underlying meaning of your rants.

What I really don't understand is why you get so upset about it. You post that you hate something. Someone else posts you're cynical. SO WHAT? You are! There wouldn't be any vendetta or anything if you accepted that your rough speeches freak some people out. The debates come after you explain in 20 paragraphs why you weren't being cynical which is total bulls**t. You were.

I am not now, nor have I been the enemy, but I am very tired of defending myself as if I were.

Then don't defend yourself as if you were the enemy.

Nobody claims it. They just react in a way you must expect. I mean if you post something like "people who say "It was a lovely funeral" should be shot" what do you think people think when reading this? Ohhhh.. that's Mr Orpheus' well though-out opinion - let's respect it and reply in a reasonable tone!

It's so obvious. How can you write something like this and be upset if someone replies you're cynical? Not everyone can have the "HAHAHA, you say it buddy!!! wink wink Have another beer..." attitude. Not in a forum like this... not with topics about people dying which is depressing enough.

What the hell are you defending anyway? You're right to rant without someone talking back? These discussions derail 60% of the threads here. I'm in this forums for a few months and it's a very interesting place but I'm sick of hearing Orpheus whine in every second thread. I mean I respect all the things you do for this community but get over it if people talk back. Ignore it. Don't start defending over little things all the time. Addicted to Morphine's original post was completely calm and not offensive in any way. He just didn't want to be told what's right and wrong by a single guy. And you're like "Oh no I didn't say this I didn't say that but in my thinking each reply is individual to the conditions present at the time" blahblahblah It get's boring and annoying...

It's like... ... It just makes you angry. Maybe the younger guys among us just don't want to be lectured by you all the time. Or don't want to justify ourselves if we still have some hope for the world. Let us some of our youthful optimism goddamnit. There isn't much left of it anyway. PLEASE.