I'm doing a pet peeve speech in school and my topic is Gothic/Nonconformists. I decided you guys are my source so, flame away. but no curse words because i can't say that in school:lol:

Non-conformist in their own views maybe. Try telling a goth that they are actually CONFORMING to what the next goth thinks is gothic or not.

Will you ever do any of your assignments on your own?

Rebellious attitude and "not conforming" to some mystical standard set by the small niche of society inside a high school is only normal. It isn't anything new and dates back at least 100 years. There are always new forms of it, it just seems that now, one of the most recent incarnations are also lazy ... as I understand from their claim to way of life.

Paraphrase, or else you'll be plagiarizing.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I love how everyone who doesn't 'conform' is exactly the same.

The only way one can be truly non-conformist is to conform to that which all others are rebelling against.

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Like Crono said, there have always been frustrated teenagers and there will always be. Whether they join the "wear black clothes" club or not isn't really that important.

It was fun for a while but lately the Goth-bashing has become some kind of cheap sport. Basically, all they do is being weaker, thus being a great target to make fun of. What is it they did to people? Except for being weird and "breathing their air".

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Why snark works.

The only way one can be truly non-conformist is to conform to that which all others are rebelling against.

But even then you'd be conforming :heee:

from the Goths i know, i interpret it like this: being Goth in highschool is just for being different and cool. Being Goth in College or after that is because you are depressed and hate the world. I don't want to generalize, but this is the case for the Goths i know.

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These words are my diaries screaming out loud

While bad-mouthing goths and emos is very chic right now, that doesn't make it any less...what's the word? Right.

Tell a goth kid that if he wants to do what no one else his age is doing, he should become a priest, then record his response and there's your report right there.

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

BBCode uses square brackets, not angle brackets.

You also implied that all "goth kids" are male.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

High school cliques are basically the coolest thing ever, as far as I can tell.

It's great not having to deal with that crap anymore.

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About Goths: Personally, I have never understood the "Be different but treated same" mentality.

If you want to dress like a freak, f**k Go For It I say, but never, ever get upset because your accused of being one. Thats about as lame as it can get. :rolleyes:

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The best things in life, aren't things.

I'm getting sick of these gibberish binary jokes.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

If you want to dress like a freak, f**k Go For It I say, but never, ever get upset because your accused of being one.

I think I?ve never met anyone who calls himself a "Goth" but I doubt they have a problem with being accused to be a freak. They like it. :heee:

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Why snark works.

Perhaps, but I passed a woman, obviously wealthy, who was wearing a pair of leopard spotted pants one day. I laughed so hard I had tears in my eyes. She was upset for some reason that I never did fathom. :rolleyes:

I know a girl who wears goth clothes. She gets upset every time I ask her "Why do you dress down like that?"

Yeah, she gets upset.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Yea, well,... people... :smile:

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Why snark works.

I'm supposed to have an outside source, besides, i figured you guys would have fun with this

reaper47 said:
Yea, well,... people... :smile:

My point was, they care. They may claim indifference, but its bull. There seems to be some sort of badge of honor they wear with all that black clothe and silver chains.

Anyway.. What were we saying? :heee:

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The best things in life, aren't things.

here's my view on it:

other than the obvious fact that the "nonconformists" are conforming with each other, most claim that they don't care what society thinks of them or how they act/dress, if they really didn't care, why do they go through all of this trouble trying to prove it, if they really didn't care they would just be themselves

Well, yes I agree, they?re confused teenagers... But there are environmentally concerned people who eat tuna once in a while although it?s nearly extinct in many places. There are Christians who skip church for a day. There are far-left liberals who eat at McDonald?s. Still they?re doing more for their community than the average person who doesn?t give a s**t.

They can?t be "non-conform" (a bulls**t term anyways, I agree) every second of their life. There?s no non-conform way of buying bread. Or living in this society without being delivered into a mental institution.

They?re clearly intentional outsiders compared to the highschool-kid soap-opera stereotype, I think that?s what they mean when talking about "non-conformism". They are. And, as long as they don?t hurt anyone, it?s their problem and right.

I think it?s more ridiculous to invest so much time reverse-proofing their self-descriptions like the String Theory than dressing black and saying there?s no place for passionate outsiders in this world. Which there isn?t as this thread proves very well.

All this Goth-bashing actually made me interested so I read a few things about them for a while and ultimately I think they?re more about tolerance (than non-conformity as an end in itself). Like Buddhist take a statue of Jesus Christ when you hand it to them and put it next to their Buddha figures instead of calling you wrong and letting you burn in imaginary hell.

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Why snark works.

Honestly, I've never met a Christian who hates Buddhists, I've never met a Buddhist who wasn't a nice guy, and I've never met a Muslim who has wanted to kill me.

Orpheus, what's all this about E4 24 2E4 CA2 9 115, anyway?

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

Just razzing with Adam. It means nothing, which is exacly the way he took it. :heee:

Its a love/hate kinda thing.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

I think it?s more ridiculous to invest so much time reverse-proofing their self-descriptions like the String Theory than dressing black and saying there?s no place for passionate outsiders in this world. Which there isn?t as this thread proves very well.

"...self-descriptions like String Theory..."
Did i miss your point? String Theory is astro physics. A mathematical equation. Sorry to bicker, but this is erking me. What did you mean exactly.

Quantum Physics

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

The trick to disentangling yourself from the conformity game is disregarding who you're like and who you're not like.

Cassius said:
The trick to disentangling yourself from the conformity game is disregarding who you're like and who you're not like.

Or, if you're liked.

I'm off to bed. Sleep well my friends. :smile:

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Quantum Physics

Right. My bad

well said cass, mind if i quote that?

Or the physics of black holes. I forgot a comma, sorry. I just meant to not take the word "non-conformism" so serious and over-analyze the s**t out of it, like some highly scientific term or philosophical implication. It?s just a word. With thousands of years of evolution in meaning and definition. Plus a "non-" in front of it which shows it?s not that much of a good choice anyway.

I don?t know. I just don?t see non-conformism or being a Goth as something you choose to do. It?s more of a symptom of having been rejected by the snazzy people for reasons you cannot change in the first place. Like being a Hippy, only that the wars weren?t big enough in the 80ies.

(Buddhists don?t think you?re spending your life after death in eternal pain and suffering if you choose not to join their religion. Which makes them a good 90% more tolerant on a psychological level.)

PS: I?m not thinking of becoming a Goth or similar, I just decided to quit bashing them. But call it an act of non-conformity if you want. :biggrin:

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Why snark works.

My feeling is it's a person who loves to be hated on for the attention.

That's probably true of 95% of high school goths, that plus they think the goth look is so incredibly cool.

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In a way it is non conforming, I.E to the way the media tells us to dress. Then again there is media telling them too, it's just not usually in the mainstream advertising.I've never heard a goth say that he/she is a non conformist though :S

That's probably true of 95% of high school goths, that plus they think the goth look is so incredibly cool.

Then when they are 20 they realise that most girls want someone who doesn't have the confidence of a bean!

Sorry for the bumping old topics.. but. I personally don't like the term 'goth'. I wear black, I paint my fingernails black, i wear black eyeliner. But i don't consider myself goth. I'm just me. I'm not a nonconformist, per sey, I just look how i want to.

But people that are all like, "I'm such a nonconformist that I'm going to go conform to all the other nonconformists" really piss me off. I sometimes ask them, "Hey hows the weather up there on your pedestal?" At which point they get confused and don't understand what im talking about.

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?GFX Nub?

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Yeah. That post was entirely too hard to read. Here's one of those times where it's awesome to conform. see, standing out by making your font tiny and bright purple might seem fun to you, but it's a bitch for the rest of us.

hmm i can read it fine..<br style="color: white; font-weight: bold;"><br style="color: white; font-weight: bold;">hers what it said if you cant read it<br style="color: white; font-weight: bold;"><br style="color: white; font-weight: bold;">Sorry for
the bumping old topics.. but. I personally don't like the term 'goth'.
I wear black, I paint my fingernails black, i wear black eyeliner. But
i don't consider myself goth. I'm just me. I'm not a nonconformist, per
sey, I just look how i want to.

But people that are all like,
"I'm such a nonconformist that I'm going to go conform to all the other
nonconformists" really piss me off. I sometimes ask them, "Hey hows the
weather up there on your pedestal?" At which point they get confused
and don't understand what im talking about.

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?GFX Nub?

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Sick liaisons raised this monumental mark
The sun sets forever over Blackwater park

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Oh my.

if you don't consider yourself a goth then why are you offended by the term?

Cassius said:
Oh my.

/me wets self a little bit.

@multiman.. You can edit your own posts.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

You sure showed them Mulicolour... cough

Conform when it sounds like a good idea. Don't conform when it sounds like a bad idea. When you don't know what to do, conform. If you don't know what people would do if they were conforming it up in your situation, yell.