well, i live in Denmark, latest news up here: a newspaper made some
drawings of that islam profet guy, i do not remember the name since i
don't care much about religions.

well the thing is, the islam/muslim people got...let's just say mad at us danes.

so they're boy-cutting danish products (i've seen pictures of a store
where there's a sign, telling people not to buy the produvt because
it's danish), and the danish people who lives and works down there,
well they're being "thrown out".

the latest that has happened: young and angry people are burning the
danish flag, crap i say, now i'm like "are we gonna get bombed soon?".

whoever made those drawing sin the first place, they're kinda dumb,
it's legal to do that kind of stuff in Denmark but seriously, we live
in a time with terror, war and such...(we even sent submarines to the
war in Iraq...oh helpful).

so i'm kinda scared that Denmark is going to be a terror-target, even though we're just a finger country...as myrk calls it.

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Same s**t happens in the south here in the US all the time. I wouldn't get to concerned unless it becomes apparent that the anger truly does escalate to action.

Sadly, its forever going to be a fact that there will always be people who relish inciting chaos.

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Well, what denmark made, is really cruel, they humilated us so badly, by drawing our prophet and making fun of our religion, islam, and or prophet, mohammed, and i heard that they are truely burning the denmark flag, plus boycotting loads of products, which i really liked ie choclates and cheese products...
But the problem here is that none of our leaders stand up against that act...

Well, that drawing really made me mad,its all over emails talking about denmark, the drawer,and the drawing itself...
also, i didnt like the way they humilated us, its not the first time, for we had alot of other cruel humilation against our religion...

Well, i just hope bin laden wont go all nuts and start blowing the denmark out...
What he does is nothing related to islam ( killing innocents ) ...

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For future reference, it's boycoting, not cutting.

I think you'll find there are two 't's in the word Frenchy :razz: If you're gonna be pedantic, at least get it right :wink:

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I couldn't remember if it was 1 or 2...

Dark|Killer said:
Well, i just hope bin laden wont go all nuts and start blowing the denmark out...
What he does is nothing related to islam ( killing innocents ) ...

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Well, since one newspaper in Denmark posted an admittedly offensive set of cartoons, the islamic countries are calling for a boycott of all Danish products? Isn't that similar to associating Bin Laden with Islam? Or Denmark boycotting Islamic products because of what Bin Laden does?

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As an outsider who hasn't the foggiest idea whats going on let me just say that if the USA boycotted every country whom said something offensive to us, we truly would be a self sufficient nation since we would be left with absolutely no one but ourselves. :rolleyes:

IMO, boycotting for a simple notion of "He said,She said" is a bit silly.

/ 2cents

On topic: can anyone post a link to this supposed offensive comment? I'd like to determine its level of offensiveness for myself.

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Some Pakistani bastards attempted to blow-up the Bucharest subway
system, which happens to be my favorite way of commuting. How the hell
was I supposed to get around if they blew it up!?

Orpheus said:
As an outsider who hasn't the foggiest idea whats going on let me just say that if the USA boycotted every country whom said something offensive to us, we truly would be a self sufficient nation since we would be left with absolutely no one but ourselves. :rolleyes:

IMO, boycotting for a simple notion of "He said,She said" is a bit silly.

/ 2cents

On topic: can anyone post a link to this supposed offensive comment? I'd like to determine its level of offensiveness for myself.

Boy, ain't that the truth. I don't have a link of the pictures themselves, but apparently a Danish newspaper posted 12 cartoons with Mohammed being portrayed as a terrorist. If you google on denmark islam boycott cartoon you'll find some stuff.

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Well, I'd be pissed to if they inverted my words so that they read from right to left!

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i managed to find one of the drawings, here's a link.

http://i2-images.tv2.dk/s/43/690043-ddb693a82377322ceaef67a787e6c929.jpeg

while searching i stumbled over this letter:
http://www.jp.dk/meninger/ncartikel:aid=3527646 (Morgenavisen
jyllands-posten is just the name of the newspaper)

might give you an impression of what's actually going on.

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Prolly just me being outside the loop but, I see no issues. At least nothing to get worked up over. I am not saying its not a serious issue, just not my issue.

/me bows out.

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LOL, thats funny.. how about you Islamic peeps get a grip and settle down before we're forced to come give you yet another spanking. yeah boycott the people from Denmark, that'll teach them.. humm how about we Yanks start over ordering the stuff they make and support these people and their right to make politcal satire with out fear of some stupid islamic terrorist boycotting there goods.

As for being a target, dont sweat it brother..

Getting mad over some satire.. oh brother. what a pack of loons.

The image of Jesus Christ gets defamed quite regularly... Christians don't like it, but they generally don't react quite this way... if there was ever a case of a tempest in a teacup, this is it!

Well, since one newspaper in Denmark posted an admittedly
offensive set of cartoons, the islamic countries are calling for a
boycott of all Danish products? Isn't that similar to associating Bin
Laden with Islam? Or Denmark boycotting Islamic products because of
what Bin Laden does?

That's what I was wondering.

Addicted to Morphine said:
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That's what I was wondering.
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If you come form a totalitarian theocratic country, it's probably hard to imagine such a thing as freedom of the press. Naturally they take would take it as the opinion of the Danish government.

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

I can't see why these people are so offended. If anything, I should be
offended because 5 of them tried to blow me up in the subway 2 months
ago, I
should be offended because they deny the divine origin of Christ, I
should be offended by the way they hide behind a Holy War to justify
the unjustifiable, I should be offended by the way they disrespect
western culture but expect respect in return, I should be offended by
the way they keep getting
offended for no good reason, and so on. They give Islam a bad name, and that's something worth being offended by.

As i was reading the newspaper today, the headlines on the first page talked about what happened...





I just dont know when will all God's Creation (human) get a long....thats a mystery...

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Dark|Killer said:
http://img478.imageshack.us/my.php?image=310120062385rx.jpg
I just dont know when will all God's Creation (human) get a long....thats a mystery...

It seems as though all the major eastern religions have a growing process. The Jewish religion used to sacrifice animals some 2,000 years ago and its, what 3,000 years old now?, Christians had their "intollerance" age during the crusades killing muslims because they weren't christian, and I think Islam is going through a hateful period now. Not to say they all endorse terrorism, but I believe a large number are sympathetic to it.

Interesting read from http://webpages.charter.net/maxflack/ART.htm


This from Ishaq: 344: "We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren?t Muslims must go there. They had called Allah?s Apostle a liar. So Allah destroyed them."

This is not tolerance; the Qur?an does not reject the contempt of religions other than Islam. Dhimmis beware: Qur?an 60:5 "We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.

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? quoting Dark|Killer
Interesting read from [url]http://webpages.charter.net/maxflack/ART.htm[/size][/url]
This from Ishaq: 344: "We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren?t Muslims must go there. They had called Allah?s Apostle a liar. So Allah destroyed them."
This is not tolerance; the Qur?an does not reject the contempt of religions other than Islam. Dhimmis beware: Qur?an 60:5 "We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.

very interresting.. gave me something to digest.. thank you.

I'm from Denmark, and to anyone who isn't well informed off what actually happened, here is some facts:

It started with some cartoons of the Islamic Prophet, Muhammed, which actually made some muslims in Denmark mad, but it really didn't turn into anything special.

Half a year later, some muslims from Denmark decided to travel to the Islamic countries to get backup from those who believed in the same as them.

Unfortunately, there was spread mis-information about that Jyllands-posten (The news-paper who made the cartoons) were owned by the Danish Government and stuff.

Then in the new-year speech, the Danish Prime-minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, talked about how he disliked the way the freedom of speech were used by Jyllands-posten were used, but it wasn't illegal. The speech were translated into Arabic (and more) and were sent to the ambassedours (03 in English for this mis-spell :smile: ) in the Islamic countries, but it didn't seem to quite get through.

Some time later the Danish prime-minister were invited to a meeting with some Ambassedours, which was TOLD to be about how to sort the problem, which he dismissed. Though lately, he told it was about how to punish Jyllands-posten for their drawings.

Then the Islamic people wanted an apologie from the Danish population (Bulls**t, not all Danes are Christian) and thereby the Danish government, because they were chosen by the Danish people. (BULLs**t, again)

Somewhere about this time the buycuttings began.

Then the Prime-minister told them that this had NOTHING to do with Denmark, but with Jyllands-posten.

Now the Islamic people want the Danish government to accuse Jyllands-posten for breaking the Danish law, but they haven't f**kING GOT INTO THEIR HEADS THAT THERE IS ONE LAW ABOUT THIS, AND IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE THOSE CARTOONS. (Sorry got a little upset)

Though, it's not all their fault, Jylland-posten started it, but they can't understand that an understanding from our prime-minister is all they can get!

AND there has been a SMS going around Denmark that all Islamic stores here in Denmark should be buycutted, which i personally find quite humorous.
I will continue buying in Islamic stores though because 1: The muslims here in Denmark have nothing to do with it and 2: that would mean no pizza :smile:

--A reply for the recent post of jeffjohnvol...

The Quran never stated anything like this...I dont care if people make up their own words and call it from the quran...I dont belive your rubbish jeffjohnvol, iv read the quran and finished alot of times, and i never read anything about what you qouted...so please, dont tell others that quran shows that islam is the only religion that is going to grant it's believers "Heaven" ..When you dont know absolutely what your talking about, the holy quran is a holy book, just like the bible, that doesnt contain any of your sayings...

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uhm.. I was quoting a poster here.. was not my words. So direct your anger to someone else who cares. Otay?

I found what he had to say, and his link interresting.. that is all.

Oh and or the record I think the bible is full of poopy too. I am not a Christian nor am I am islamic.. I am however a PEGAN, with Druid beliefs.

Oh and I have a good idea what I am talking about.. I have studied to some extent most major religions, in hopes of finding what it is I believe. So I have a pretty good understanding. if I dont, I try to.. "there for you can bite my shiney metal ass." -bender

My apologies moneyshot, i changed the name to jeffjohnvol once i found that it isnt you...sorry for mis judging you...but you did say "how about you Islamic peeps get a grip and settle down before we're forced to come give you yet another spanking."

But i do still apologize to you..

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but you did say "how about you Islamic peeps get a grip and
settle down before we're forced to come give you yet another
spanking."

That's american trash-talk Dark|Killer. Most non-americans don't get
that kind of humour... we just nod and ignore them and then get on with
more important things :biggrin:

Thanks for enlightening me :biggrin:

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Well come on now.. you must admit getting all upset over a cartoon and wanting to make a terrorist atack on a country because of something so silly is pretty STOOPID.

To boycott a whole country over something so simple and stupid, is silly to me. Just as silly as saying get a grip or well come kick your buttocks. And that was my point.

Just like Bill O'reily wanting to BOYCOTT France because they are back stabbing weenies and got caught with there pants down in IRAQ is just as stupid and silly.

They didnt beleive in our war.. because, well they had some money interrest there. And as a seperate country they should be able to say no we wont help you yanks.. thanks for saving our butt in WWI, WWII, and VIET NAM etc.. but were just not gonna support you here.

EDIT:FRAGGARD your so right.. lol

If you talk about me, I haven't quoted anything from the Quaran.

Furthermore, i have a !!PERFECT!! (No really, perfect!) solution to this problem, or what SHOULD be a solution for the Islamic whiny asses, unless they just whine to whine to whine.

Why don't the muslims make a competition with pictures of Jesus, and the 24! best will be hung up on banners all around Denmark for 1 week... THEN we must be equal!

You may say this wouldn't solve the problem, AND WHY?!?! Try and ask yourself before reading on...!

Answer:

You muslims are some whiny, stubborn bitches, who just makes PROBLEMS around the world, ALL the f**king time!



This thing you are doing is so god damn pathetic and childish!

THIS IS A FACT THAT CAN'T BE DISMISSED!!

EDIT:

Exactly my words, in another, more calm way :smile: Didn't see his post... Comeon brother, let's stand together! :beerchug:

fraggard said:
Most non-americans don't get that kind of humour...

Sadly, most non-Americans don't get any kind of humor. We Americans just nod and ignore them and then get on with more important things :biggrin:

Not that I am suggesting any insensitivity from my favorite Indian. :heee:

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Hey H-Gamer.. when you get done looking up your anus, make sure to clear your throat and tell us what you really think.

See moneyshot, thats what i mean, you, and few others, think that only muslims get revenge by blowing innocents up...thats not even islamic, and who does this kind of thing, he betrayed what God told us to do...( not to kill other humans for no reason ie innocents )

And about the Boycotting thingy, this is the only thing the citizens can do, because our leaders wont act nor do anything towards what happened...And about the wars, we couldn't have fought anyone, i simply dont know why, but i guess cuzz we were busy in an old war, and that we are weak...i admit it, we are.
Even if we did have the power to support you...what will we get ?? A war against Iraq ?? ...

But i cant change your mind dude, everyone has his own opinion, and i respect that . . .

DM

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MoneyShot said:
Hey H-Gamer.. when you get done looking up your anus, make sure to clear your throat and tell us what you really think.

All this anus talk is making me hungry. Hey MS, whats for breakfast?

We can sit around the breakfast table at Denny's and consider boycotting California or some s**t. Lord knows they are stupid enough to be insulting. They need boycotted. :heee:

/me winks at my good friends across the Arizona border.

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Please dont put words in my mouth, I am quite capable of expressing myself.. thanks.

Thats what I think huh, what else do I think.. I like how your able to read my mind from so far away.. maybe you can be a secret weapon for your goverment and put them mind reading powers to good use.

I never said anything of the sort, in any of my post.. maybe because of the speech differance were having a misunderstanding here.

No I think any humen can blow stuff up.. heck we had an American blow up Americans more than once in my life time.. Tommy McVay ( however his name is spelled ) blew up innocent children and people in Oklahoma. So I dont think that only muslims get revenge by cowardly acts. Muslims are just the main target of such behaivor at this time.. and thats because thay have done it over and over in recent months.

But anyways.. here is a great ancient proverb by a muslim..

An Army of Sheep led by a Lion will always defeat and army of Lions led by a Sheep.

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MoneyShot said:
Hey H-Gamer.. when you get done looking up your anus, make sure to clear your throat and tell us what you really think.

All this anus talk is making me hungry. Hey MS, whats for breakfast?
We can sit around the breakfast table at Denny's and consider boycotting California or some s**t. Lord knows they are stupid enough to be insulting. They need boycotted. :heee:
/me winks at my good friends across the Arizona border.

LOL.. yeah I say we do it.. give me a ring when you get close to TEXAS.

Answer:
You muslims are some whiny, stubborn bitches, who just makes PROBLEMS around the world, ALL the f**king time!



This thing you are doing is so god damn pathetic and childish!

THIS IS A FACT THAT CAN'T BE DISMISSED!!

Dude, you rock! Let's make you King of the world! UR AWSUM OMG!!!!1

Well, now i understand you, sorry for misjudging you...again..I apologize...

What i really dont understand is whats going on with HazardGameR^'s mind ??

Anyway MS, i hope this bs didnt ruin our friendship....and all of you, i dont want that story thingy to ruin my rep. and the friendship between me and all of you...

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Fragman, Dark|Killer fears for our sanity. Will you explain to him that you and I joke often. I think he thinks we are in jeopardy of some mishap. :smile:

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Dark|Killer said:
And about the Boycotting thingy, this is the only thing the citizens can do, because our leaders wont act nor do anything towards what happened...
DM

WHAT?! You didn't have to do A-NY-THING!

This is so f**king "Big Bang! The Universe out of Nothing!-like!
We WON'T give you an apologie, because this is freedom of speech, however the prime-minister and many others have stated that Jyllands-Posten used it the wrong way, but we can't do anything about it!

We can't take them to the court, because the Danish lawe allow them to post the picture of Allah's ass if they want to.

Personally, I'll give you my full understanding, and apologie BECAUSE "THEY" USED IT THE "WRONG" WAY, not because they used it. Also, don't buycut Danish products because a Danish newspaper wrote this, it would be like throwing out all muslims because one murdered someone. Ask Jyllands-posten for their apoligie, else buycut them :wink: (I would gladly buycut them aswell :biggrin: )

Let's get on with out lives man, peace in the world!

PS. You have my permission to bomb Jyllands-posten, it's a crap news-paper anyways :biggrin: (No, I'm not saying that you're a terrorist, it's a joke)

Also, don't buycut Danish products because a Danish newspaper wrote this, it would be like throwing out all muslims because one murdered someone. Ask Jyllands-posten for their apoligie, else buycut them.

This makes sense. Dont punish the Danish for something a NEWS PAPER did.. Punish the NEWS PAPER.

Oh and DARK/KILLER.. no worries man. im an Adult.. we can discuss stuff like this, even if wont always agree..

MoneyShot said:
Oh and DARK/KILLER.. no worries man. im an Adult.. we can discuss stuff like this, even if wont always agree..

Why recently we were discussing tar baby poop with a certain new father from Wisconsin. Poop is always a good subject. Universal in fact. Just about everyone has at least a rudimentary commonality in the subject.

Life is grand. :biggrin:

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Fragman, Dark|Killer fears for our sanity. Will you explain to
him that you and I joke often. I think he thinks we are in jeopardy of
some mishap. :smile:

OK.

Yes Dark|Killer, it's true.

Orpheus is a woman.

PS: @DK: We're joking. Neither of us has very strong religious views,
so I guess we're just trolling the topic for any humour we can get out
of it. Except that last part...

lol fraggard, tell me something i dont already know...lol jk :biggrin:

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Orpheus is a woman.

AH-HAH! I KNEW IT! :biggrin:

Dark|Killer said:
--A reply for the recent post of jeffjohnvol...

The Quran never stated anything like this...I dont care if people make up their own words and call it from the quran...I dont belive your rubbish jeffjohnvol, iv read the quran and finished alot of times, and i never read anything about what you qouted...so please, dont tell others that quran shows that islam is the only religion that is going to grant it's believers "Heaven" ..When you dont know absolutely what your talking about, the holy quran is a holy book, just like the bible, that doesnt contain any of your sayings...

-DM

I wasn't quoting the Quran myself, I pasted a section from the from a site which I linked to for reference. I don't know if its accurate or not. I don't have a copy so I can't look it up myself. I just said it was interesting reading. I'm glad you added another perspective though.

I don't think the bible is any better. I did some looking online and found this, perhaps you can tell us if it matches your printed version:

[60:5] Indeed there is a good example for you in Abraham and those who were with him when they said to their people, 'We have nothing to do with you and with that which you worship beside Allah. We disbelieve all that you believe in. There has become manifest enmity and hatred between us and you for ever, until you believe in Allah alone' - except that Abraham said to his father, 'I will surely ask forgiveness for thee, though I have no power to do aught for thee against Allah.' Their prayer was: 'Our Lord, in thee do we put our trust and to thee do we turn in repentance, and towards thee is the final return;

I found the reference above in the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community website http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=60

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The muslim community is overeacting, i mean, its a sketch. I've seen dozen of sketches that humiliated jesus and simulair symbols.

I mean, getting upset about a sketch is a tad bit over the top.

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That site is blocked here, so i guess its a fake to fool others who doesnt know about it...just forget that phrase...

anyway, im out of this topic...i posted enough...

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You can't beat reasoned debate based on facts and well engineered opinions with basis in knowledge and shrewd intelligence.

You really can't.

Dark|Killer said:
That site is blocked here, so i guess its a fake to fool others who doesnt know about it...just forget that phrase...

anyway, im out of this topic...i posted enough...

-Peace

I assume you are referring to my post, and I know you have had enough of this topic but... I would be interested to see what the 60:5 actually says. I don't discount the possibility that it is "fake", but I'm not going to take your word about it. I do think that the little bit of it that was referenced without the whole was taken out of context. Other phrases below it (60:6 etc) showed a more peaceful attitude on who to disrespect and who not to based on how they treat islam, not because of them not being islam.

I assume the site is blocked at your place of business. If its blocked coming into your country, I don't know how your community could ever understand the concept of freedom of speech and it just shows why the US should never give away oversight of ICAAN (internet) to the UN. I can see it now, a group of freedom haters (China, Arabic non-democracies, etc) blocking whole sections of the internet. I could only see control being granted to a bloc of countries that have freedom of speech as part of their constitution.

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All blocking would be internal - besides, it's their right as sovreign nations to do so.

Don't fly us (US/UK/EU) as some kind of beacon of freedom and example
for the world, when we're quite clearly not. Just the other day whilst
Google was portrayed as sleeping with the enemy for aiding Chinas
"great firewall", they were also repelling agents from the Department
of Justice trying to get logs of searches made within the US.

And as far as I know Dubai is a good example of progressive Arabic
government - one of the jewels in the crown of the UAE. Saudi Arabia,
Kuwait also are making steps to liberalising their process of selecting
representation.

TBH it all boils down to us trying to impose our ideals on cultures
totally alien to our ethics and lifestyles. Freedom of speech? How
about we stop persecuting people for being "rogue states" and
practicing "bad examples" of government when that is their right in the
first place.

Gwil said:
All blocking would be internal - besides, it's their right as sovreign nations to do so.

Don't fly us (US/UK/EU) as some kind of beacon of freedom and example for the world, when we're quite clearly not. Just the other day whilst Google was portrayed as sleeping with the enemy for aiding Chinas "great firewall", they were also repelling agents from the Department of Justice trying to get logs of searches made within the US.

And as far as I know Dubai is a good example of progressive Arabic government - one of the jewels in the crown of the UAE. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait also are making steps to liberalising their process of selecting representation.

TBH it all boils down to us trying to impose our ideals on cultures totally alien to our ethics and lifestyles. Freedom of speech? How about we stop persecuting people for being "rogue states" and practicing "bad examples" of government when that is their right in the first place.

All valid points. Of course countries should be able to block content as they see fit. I was concerned with countries pushing their views or censorship on other countries. What is considered morally standard in France may be considered vulgar in Iran (nudity on public TV, etc). (Note, Iran is not Arab, just an example)

TBH, I am not familiar with Dubai so I should not have lumped them in as oppressive states. I do know Saudi Arabia during my time there and although I understand their right to be that way, I don't want them deciding what's appropriate for the rest of the world with regard to the internet.

Or how about this, any country that reimburses the US for the billions spent to develop it in the first place can have oversight. Sorry to get off topic. I'll shut up.

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