Opinion on weapons...

Today I was just wondering what other peoples opinions on home made weapons are, and being to afraid to ask other people since I have some pretty bad weapons (ones that can break the speed of sound) I decided to ask somewhere where I would have a little anominity, the internet. So what are your thoughts on homemade weapons (spudguns, homemade nunchukas, butterfly knives, throwing knives and stars, bows, throwing needles, blowdart guns, catapaults). Some of these may be legal in your country/state though.

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Reckless disregard for childrens well being, women and nothing but utter contempt for other cultures.

Like any weapon, I don't see the problem given you're a responsible enough person to understand the implications of having such a possession.

Rant:
For instance: If someone owns a gun, that doesn't bother me. What would bother me, however, is if they claim it's for protection, like from an intruder. It's a BS excuse, because the defense mechanic doesn't fit the situation. Neither would a knife. Why? Simple, the layout of a house doesn't allow you to keep your distance from a person when using a gun. It's mostly close quarters (relatively speaking) ... same goes with a knife. A baseball bat would work much better ... not to mention, if someone does break into your house ... chances are you're asleep. (Unless they're that smooth, but most robbers break in at night or when you're not there) So, even if you're woken up by it ... using a precision device, such as a gun, would be very difficult. Also, your home is presumably dimmer than during the day, since it's night.

Anyway, the other issue I have, is if they keep it loaded for that purpose. Because then, they'd also rely on it any time they heard a "disturbance". Or at least, in general, that's what happens. But, if they're actually responsible with it. I don't see any problem.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I dont like the idea at all. Im against all types of weapons.

MisterBister said:
I dont like the idea at all. Im against all types of weapons.

Yeah I understand where you are coming from, I'm against the use of weapons against people or animals (well most animals), and also weapons being in the possesion of idiots. But most of the fun for me comes from making them, like when I built my spudcannon I learned alot about PVC and air pressure (I made a pneumatic spudgun), and when I made my throwing stars, throwing knives, and blowgun, I learned a bit about metals and working with them. Plus its cool to get good at using them. To me guns are an entirely different matter. You don't neccesarily have to be focused or sane to fire one, and even the weakest of guns (not counting bb guns) can kill.The difference in guns is huge as well, and I agree with Crono that using them for self defense is the most BS excuse for owning one (especially a rifle). I might be getting a gun soon though because I just saw Dawn of the Dead :smile: .

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Reckless disregard for childrens well being, women and nothing but utter contempt for other cultures.

<br style="color: white;"> Simple,
the layout of a house doesn't allow you to keep your distance from a
person when using a gun. It's mostly close quarters (relatively
speaking) ... same goes with a knife. Awith it. I don't see any problem.

Depends on the house and type of gun. I agree, using a 357 in a small
apartment isn't exactly a good idea, but you're overlooking the
psychological effect it has on the knife-armed intruder: you ambush him
in the hallway and once your gun is aimed at him, he knows it's
gameover. Even if you're only 2 meters away from him, he still can't
afford to do anything funny. Not unless he wants to become subject to lead poisoning.

I've don't have any home-made weapons. I don't want any home-made weapons.

What I did have, however, were home-made explosives. Small quantities, nothing lethal. Some were hydrogen-oxygen based.

Andrei said:
What I did have, however, were home-made explosives. Small quantities, nothing lethal. Some were hydrogen-oxygen based.

Yeah I dabbled in explosives also but I just dont find them to be predictable enough, and after one use they where gone.

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Reckless disregard for childrens well being, women and nothing but utter contempt for other cultures.

Anything can be used as a weapon. A crowbar for example is a great weapon, and is perfectly legal; I'd feel much safer with one in the back seat of my car, especially when I cross some "hot" neighbourhoods.

In an ideal society, weapons should not be allowed. Unfortunately, we're still very far from that. Maybe in Sweden or in some Northern European countries, they are civilized enough to know the meaning of pacifism. But that's not the case world wide... Weapons remain useful, at least for dissuasive purposes.

Depends on what I need it for but, any that cause pain are alright with me.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

i don't see what difference it makes if the weapons are home made or not. an AK47 is an AK47, wherever it's made.

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i eat paint

fishy said:
i don't see what difference it makes if the weapons are home made or not. an AK47 is an AK47, wherever it's made.

I'm not talking about making anything with a gun lathe or anything that complex and dangerous, but generally I mean something you could buy the parts to at a hardware store or other shops.

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Reckless disregard for childrens well being, women and nothing but utter contempt for other cultures.

Anything can be used as a weapon. A crowbar for example is a great weapon, and is perfectly legal; I'd feel much safer with one in the back seat of my car, especially when I cross some "hot" neighbourhoods.In an ideal society, weapons should not be allowed. Unfortunately, we're still very far from that. Maybe in Sweden or in some Northern European countries, they are civilized enough to know the meaning of pacifism. But that's not the case world wide... Weapons remain useful, at least for dissuasive purposes.

WTF? What is with peoople owning guns that is so bad? As long as they are sane and don't have any serous criminal background I don't see a problem with it. I believe in gun safety but not outlawing them. You make it sound like people who own guns are pyschos or cavemen.

Gaara. You say that people who have guns and use them for self defense are full of BS? Then what's your excuse for making all your weapons? A weapo is a weapon after all. It's only objective is to mame or kill another living creature. I don't see why people just admit that guns are fun to shoot. We have a few rifles that we keep locked in a big metal safe, and we only use them on targets at a shooting range design specificaly for that. People here can vouch that I'm not some dumb hillbilly you imagine when you think of southern U.S.

/me giggles.

Guns are on the list of hot topics that always inflame at Snarkpit.

So far the list of topics that hardly ever end amicably are:

Guns
Homosexuality
Religion
Politics
Abortion
and
Killboxes.

This thread is gonna be fun. :smile:

My stance:

Guns don't kill people, people do.
Homosexuality is evil.
Religion, can be a good thing, but is not for everyone.
Politics, sucks ass.
Abortion, kills innocent babies.
Killboxes, are made and played by stupid people.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Orpheus. I'm curious as to why you think homosexuality is eveil? My uncle (who is a great guy by the way) is homophobic and sometimes it pisses me off when he uses the word "queer" just the sound of the word is annoying. It feels like someone is taking their nails and scraping them on a blackboard.

I don't understand homophobia. It's retarded. I used to be afraid of
them becaus e what they did was different, then I realized they're
going through the same s**t as African Americans -- having their rights
taken away because they're different.

It appears whatever monkey is running this country never learned the lessons of the 60's.

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I'm allergic to tequila, it makes me break out in felonies.

Spartan said:
Orpheus. I'm curious as to why you think homosexuality is eveil?

No you don't. I assure you.

What I can tell you is this, so pay attention.

Do not confuse homosexuality, with homosexuals. I do not think homosexuals are evil.

I think Alcoholism is evil, I do not think alcoholics are.

Homophobia is a made up word. It was designed to make homosexuals feel better about themselves in an otherwise evil situation. There is no true homophobia. Their is simple disgust.

As I said before, I hate homophobic-phobes. Anyone who thinks I am wrong for feeling negative toward homosexuality, can kiss my ass. They have no more right to judge me, than they think I have to judge the concept of homosexuality.

Its a very good example of calling the kettle black.

In the end though, Gwil doesn't really want the topic rehashed. There are plenty of topics concerning this already. You might be curious enough to search them out.

In the end though, don't phobe me, unless you are prepared for the outcome.

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Guess I'll have to kiss your ass.

**pops on rubber glove....

"did someone say "probe"...??.....

Doc B... :dodgy:

French Toast said:
Guess I'll have to kiss your ass.

Only if I get to pick the spot. I want all my kisses squarely on the flower. Dead center. I won't even wash it first either.

So you are admitting that you are as bad as me? Thats ballsy. Damned few admit their short comings.

I bet though, that you have not been accused of being a phobe for very long because it doesn't seem to bother you yet.

Give it a few years. It will get old, and you'll start to notice that the assholes accusing you of wrong doings, are doing the exact same thing.. To you.

Perhaps I'll be around when it happens. You be sure and let me know.

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Metrosexuals! That's what's wrong with this world! They give weapons a reason to exist.

Guess I'll have to kiss your ass.

What I don't get is how come your so open mided to homosexuals yet you have no respect for Orph's opinions? Your just another dips**t who's trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by defending stuff you don't even understand and then bashing those who don't agree with it.

Spartan said:
WTF? What is with peoople owning guns that is so bad? As long as they are sane and don't have any serous criminal background I don't see a problem with it. I believe in gun safety but not outlawing them. You make it sound like people who own guns are pyschos or cavemen.

you sound far too angry to be allowed to have one.......

long term sanity is far from guarenteed

ALL criminals had no criminal background at some point

and believe it or not, psychos really DO own guns

if you have no reason for owning something designed to kill, other than, "it's fun to shoot one", well........

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i eat paint

Ok I'll admit that did come off as sounding agnry, which wasn't my intention. But it's apparent who is American and who is European. We both have different ideas about weapons.

P.S. Nice job getting the thread back on topic.

I have a temper with a fuse about an inch long. Consequently, we have no fire arms within my home. I also, own no personal knives either, for the same reason.

I am however not against owning them, I still go hunting and such.

I just feel that it would be irresponsible for me to have a gun at my disposal.

I would shoot first, with no regrets. Anyone breaking into my home or some such would hurt as slowly and as horribly as I could arrange for such an affront to my privacy.

I do however have a base ball bat next to my front door, and bedroom door. That way if the criminal finds the first one, we can be even when I bash the living daylights out'a him. :heee:

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The best things in life, aren't things.

I should be allowed to own a gun so I can indiscriminately cut down the social underclasses of this fine nation.

Seriously though, I don't really have a problem with weapons. People
argue that legalised firearms encourages firearms related crimes -
using the United States as an example. Bear in mind (for the Brits)
that handguns were perfectly legal until the Dunblane massacre in 1996,
and gun crime was virtually unheard of as a real problem.

Gun crime (or knife crime) isn't encouraged by the legal status of
weapons - crimes happen for a deeper reason, weapons are just the
device to facilitate the crime.

quoting chris rock:
I like guns. if you got a gun then you dont need to work out! you got pecs? I got tecs!

back on topic. the only weapons avaliable to me are my fists. fists seems dangerous enough, they can cause serious damage. when ever i am forced to use violence, though, i see no point in attempting to kill some one. should someone break in to my house i would much rather hit them over the head with a pot than stab them with a knife

although i am not saying it is wrong to own a gun, they are very useful for diffusing a situation. ironically they can be used purely as a psychological weapon so no violence is needed at all

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

rival said:
. should someone break in to my house i would much rather hit them over the head with a pot than stab them with a knife

Spoken like someone who hasn't done it yet.

Course, thats probably all of us. I have not shot anyone myself yet either so me saying I could do it without remorse is prolly bulls**t.

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I'd probably feel like s**t if I killed someone, even if it was out of self defense.

Unless I was pretending I it was Doom 3.

Spartan said:
I'd probably feel like s**t if I killed someone, even if it was out of self defense.

exactly my point. i know i would be scared s**tless if someone broke into my house, but unless my life or my family's life was at blatant risk i wouldnt want to kill the criminal

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

Like i said: point the gun at the intruder, tell him to sit face-down on the floor...or else, call the police, case closed.

Andrei said:
Like i said: point the gun at the intruder, tell him to sit face-down on the floor...or else, call the police, case closed.

Ouchy. :eek:

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The best things in life, aren't things.

So what's this thread about... Metrosexual gun owners if I remember correctly.

Well, I'm against it.

bah.....

*posted by Orpheus

[color=white]Spoken like someone who hasn't done it yet.

Course, thats probably all of us. I have not shot anyone myself yet either so me saying I could do it without remorse is prolly bulls**t.

jon, thats the only truly reasonable statement posted yet....

its not a natural act to kill someone with a firearm....and to feel no remorse, even in combat.....well, there is a psycosis involved. and you shouldnt have a firearm in the first place....guns are the first true equalizer, even when the playing field shouldnt be equal.....the drive to unequalize the field is where we lose our minds.....

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Doc B

I am chock full of "Bits of wisdom"

Problem is, the bits tend to be so small that few see them except in hindsight.

As far as hurting someone, without a gun, I have done my share and enjoyed every moment of it. I took my share of ass whippins but it was fun.

Sadly, many people need a bit of pain before they see the light of reason.

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Andrei said:
Like i said: point the gun at the intruder, tell him to sit face-down on the floor...or else, call the police, case closed.

Ouchy. :eek:

What?

try to sit and plant your face on the ground. unless your really flexible probably will hurt

only kidding we all knew what you meant :razz:

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

Nah, it isn't painful unless someone applies weight to your back.

? quote:? quoting AndreiLike i said: point the gun at the intruder, tell him to sit face-down on the floor...or else, call the police, case closed.

Ouchy. :eek:

What?

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Oh. I guess I should have said "lying face-down on the floor".



For the record, that guy isn't face-down either IMHO. Rather on his head, than on his face. :evilgrin:

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I surrender .

But most of the fun for me comes from making them, like when I built my spudcannon I learned alot about PVC and air pressure (I made a pneumatic spudgun), and when I made my throwing stars, throwing knives, and blowgun, I learned a bit about metals and working with them. Plus its cool to get good at using them. To me guns are an entirely different matter. You don't neccesarily have to be focused or sane to fire one, and even the weakest of guns (not counting bb guns) can kill. :smile: .

It sounds like you like to work with your hands. You could probably have made anything instead of weapons and enjoyed it equally as much.

Anything can be used as a weapon. A crowbar for example is a great weapon, and is perfectly legal; I'd feel much safer with one in the back seat of my car, especially when I cross some "hot" neighbourhoods.

Yes unfortunately you can. But there still are tools whoose purpose is solely killing, and I'm talking about those.

WTF? What is with peoople owning guns that is so bad? As long as they are sane and don't have any serous criminal background I don't see a problem with it. I believe in gun safety but not outlawing them.

I actually dont agree with you here. Just because youre a "sane guy" does'nt mean that you wont be able to accidentily kill someone. A sane person could kill another (bad) person in very stressed situations, aswell as kill someone accidentily. Killing in either situation is a step in wrong direction.

orph said:
I have a temper with a fuse about an inch long. Consequently, we have no fire arms within my home. I also, own no personal knives either, for the same reason.

Im glad that you are able to make such a mature decision.
As a typical Swede ive only one thing that could possibly tell how i feel about your other opinions and standings:
Americans...

i suppose we could say the same about you and yours as well there mr b....but i choose not to.....just because its different, doesnt make it wrong right off the bat.....and besides....what good would a debate with no other outlook be?? :wink:

Doc B.. :dodgy:

Dr Brasso said:
i suppose we could say the same about you and yours as well there mr b....but i choose not to.....just because its different, doesnt make it wrong right off the bat.....and besides....what good would a debate with no other outlook be?? :wink:

Doc B.. :dodgy:

yeah just found the new Arctic Avengers in CSS!

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

Hey I'm not against guns, I just went to a gun range yesterday for the first time and am now trying to get a firearms license. BUT I don't think rifles are a good choice for defending yourself in a home, because handguns are made for closer ranges. But I'd be scared of someone else finding it/taking it from me and using it against me though. Also has anyone ever talked to someone who think games give them the ability to shoot any gun in real life?

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Reckless disregard for childrens well being, women and nothing but utter contempt for other cultures.

guns dont kill people, bullets do
that and excessive bloodloss

What I don't get is how come your so open mided to
homosexuals yet you have no respect for Orph's opinions? Your just
another dips**t who's trying to fit in with the vision of a politically
correct society by defending stuff you don't even understand and then
bashing those who don't agree with it.

Let me be clear, if I wasn't before. I'm not another dips**t
trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by
defending stuff I don't understand. I defend stuff that I
do understand, and I'm bashing Orph for being a really dick
about saying that I don't actually accept gays. I've probably had
more experience with homosexuals then you have, and I can tell you that
I am acceptant. So Orph can say whatever the hell he
wants, but he's wrong.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Gaara</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Hey I'm not against guns, I just went to a gun range yesterday for the first time and am now trying to get a firearms license. BUT I don't think rifles are a good choice for defending yourself in a home, because handguns are made for closer ranges. But I'd be scared of someone else finding it/taking it from me and using it against me though. Also has anyone ever talked to someone who think games give them the ability to shoot any gun in real life?[/quote]

yes i have. those kind of people are real dicks. i absolutely hate people who have a mindset like that

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EDIT: somehow my post got inside the quote...

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Bullet Control: $5000 for a bullet.
"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

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<div class="quotetext">I've probably had more experience with homosexuals then you have, and I can tell you that I am acceptant. </DIV></DIV>

After the conversation I had yesterday, that sentence is so funny.

Go ahead Frenchy, let it all out. I can say quite truthfully that you are in no position to know if I am right or wrong. You can disagree, but never be certain enough to say "Orph is wrong"

In fact, I am quite certain that nobody is in a position to say such a bold statement.

Let me say this once more for posterity. A straight person cannot accept homosexuality. If they could, they wouldn't be adverse to having sex with their own gender. In which case, they too would be Gay and this conversation would be moot.

You already stated that you are not Gay, and I believe you. This makes you highly tolerant of the concept of Homosexuality.

One who is tolerant, cannot conceive of themselves having sex with their own gender, but have no adverse reaction to someone else doing so.

Frenchy, you are tolerant, not accepting.

[EDITED] The green has been highlighted because it is the ground for my supposition.

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French Toast said:
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What I don't get is how come your so open mided to homosexuals yet you have no respect for Orph's opinions? Your just another dips**t who's trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by defending stuff you don't even understand and then bashing those who don't agree with it.

Let me be clear, if I wasn't before. I'm not another dips**t trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by defending stuff I don't understand. I defend stuff that I do understand, and I'm bashing Orph for being a really dick about saying that I don't actually accept gays. I've probably had more experience with homosexuals then you have, and I can tell you that I am acceptant. So Orph can say whatever the hell he wants, but he's wrong.
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You have no idea how funny that statement is.

In general Orph, I think you are just stating your own views on what it is to tolerate, and what it is to accept - not necessarily universally accepted meanings of the words. For that reason I think this is another topic that just comes down to semantics. Frenchy clearly has a problem with having his feelings about homosexuals being summed up by "tolerant", and I can see why - it is a word that, in general, suggests that you do so "begrudgingly". Maybe for you the word doesn't bring with it so many negative connotations, but I know it does for me and I'm willing to bet it does for many. Accept is a far less negative sounding word - it suggests you have made peace with something and harbour it no ill will.

I think that most people would agree, if somebody is a friend, and I mean a real friend, then we do not tolerate them, we accept them. In doing this, we accept their quirks and foibles. If one of them is homosexual, does that mean we can only tolerate them?

I also think that you are being rather hypocritical in telling Frenchy that he isn't allowed to call you "wrong", yet you are quite happy to point out that he is wrong in saying he accepts something.

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