Opinions on drugs...

since there has been a lot of controversy circulating around....

what is your view on narcotic drugs?

personally i dont see much wrong with soft drugs and hallucinogens, but when it comes to hard drugs like crack and heroin thats where the line should be drawn.

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Not sure, tbh.

I've taken more than my fair share in the past (way past "cannabis
level") - and I thoroughly enjoyed the times I had. Whether or not they
were enhanced by the drugs I was taking at the time, is debateable -
but going by the social spectrum I was in, I would stick my neck out
and say they heightened everyones senses and emotions in a positive
way, and broke down barriers between people nothing else could..

Or something :smile:

As a political issue, I think it goes state by state - I would happily
legalise drugs in "teutonic" Europe (Denmark, Holland, Germany), but
would in no way consider it for the British (or the French). I can't
speak about the Americas, and Asia, but the culture the most westerly
states of Europe lives under isn't conducive to legalised drugs.

Bit of a drunken ramble, but basically, it's context sensitive.

I think discussing illegal drug use is at least as taboo as borrowing software.

In so far as discussing it openly I mean. Snarkpit doesn't need the stigma of such a conversation.

/last I have to say on the subject.

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<DIV class=quotetext>I think discussing illegal drug use is at least as taboo as borrowing software.

In so far as discussing it openly I mean. Snarkpit doesn't need the stigma of such a conversation.

/last I have to say on the subject.

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so it is justified to have a thread on homemade weapons and killing people?? (which i can say can be interpreted as terrorism)
@Gwil i agree with what you are saying about us more western states, though i never thought about it before

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"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

I can honestly say I've never taken drugs. I've never even drank alchohol before. It's not because I'm against it or afraid of it, I just never saw a reason to take drugs or drink. Although I've thought about it several times as a use to relieve stress.

Spartan said:
I can honestly say I've never taken drugs. I've never even drank alchohol before. It's not because I'm against it or afraid of it, I just never saw a reason to take drugs or drink. Although I've thought about it several times as a use to relieve stress.

i dont agree with drugs/alcohol as a stress relief, because i believe that using them to relieve stress or depression often destroys the user in worse ways

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rival said:
so it is justified to have a thread on homemade weapons and killing people?? (which i can say can be interpreted as terrorism)

The difference is, at least in this case. You were talking hypothetically about weapons and using them. I assume you have not killed anyone yet?

You are more/less admitting to using illegal drugs... Or someone will before the thread is complete.

There is a decided difference between admitting to doing an illegal action and contemplating a hypothetical one.

What I am saying is, the subject needs to be taboo and discussed in a purely noncommittal way.
I am, looking out for Snarkpit. I personally don't care if you kill yourselves doing drugs. Just remember to spell my name correctly in the will. The law frowns on typos.

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fair point, but a little more elaboration in the future would be appreciated. i misinterpreted your first post

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Spartan said:
I can honestly say I've never taken drugs. I've never even drank alchohol before. It's not because I'm against it or afraid of it, I just never saw a reason to take drugs or drink.

Thats pretty much how I feel about it. I dont really see much point in taking drugs.

I think they should be allowed, people being addicted to illegal things doesnt really get anyone anywhere, and if you want to take drugs, it doesnt bother me.

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its the only way you could have told me anything when i was a young'un....

Doc B

im not gonna lie i drink and i've done some "mild" drugs
but i only do it with certain people and very rarely
i've never known any harm to come of it and many of us have found stress relief in it

Those who know me (both in real life and on www) know I'm a party freak. Hell this weekend is just a regular example, I havent gone to bed before it gets light out as I'm too busy dancing/drinking and having a good time with everyone. I do smoke pot, its a little more legal in canada, escpecially bc which is where I live as there is hardly a sould who hasn't smoked it.

Me and some buddies recently stopped as a result of a bad trip, it was laced with something and we were getting too careless with it. It was a learning lesson and were never going to goto other sources for weed. We stopped for a couple of months and this weekend we shared a joint from our usual source. IMHO weed is fine as long as used sparely, everyday is excessive. But to have a couple of beers, smoke a joint to lift up a little bit is fine by me. Its the people that smoke up nonstop just sitting at home watching tv that i disagree with.

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I don't have a problem with pot/salvia, a slight problem with stuff like LSD/shrooms, and a pretty big problem with heroin/cocaine. Er, people using them, that is. I've only done pot and the last time was a few months ago (I still get called a pothead, of course).

Stay in school!

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What I like about America (or some states I know at least) is that smoking cigartettes is almost considered "uncool" or at least not as widely spread as in Europe. IMHO one of the worst drug around here isn't even illegal. Every 12 year old is smoking here. Probably the smartest thing Ozzy Osbourne ever said is that nicotine is the worst because it costs a lot, ruins your lungs and doesn't even make you high. From all the stuff people are drinking and smoking around here plain cigarettes are what I can resist most easily. That doesn't mean I never smoked anything. But I find cigarettes to be one of the most idiotic additctions of our society.

I stay away from hard drugs. I see them as good feelings on credit which you eventually have to pay back, with interests. In one form or another.

cannibis here where i live (generally britain i think) is so commonplace. last saturday i was walking through the busy city centre and i saw at least two people blatanly smoking joints. what amazed me about that was that it was in the middle of town with so many people around. personally i prefer a little privacy. it is very easy to get hold of. difference is, is that over here its resin, weed or grass is a little more rare

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rival said:
last saturday i was walking through the busy city centre and i saw at least two people blatanly smoking joints. what amazed me about that was that it was in the middle of town with so many people around.

Blatant example of human nature. If enough people do something wrong long enough, it becomes less wrong.

I think society has pushed this "Mind your own business" to the extreme. My wife is one of those people. If someone is in the 20 items or less checkout with 50 items, she won't say a word. If someone is parked in a tow away zone, she says nothing. She really gets mad at me when I do speak up and on many occasions has left me standing there while I rant.

My favorite thing to do is come out of the grocery store and notice that someone is parked illegally. I turn my head away and act like I cannot see them and drive my buggy right into their nice paint job. I look startled and exclaim "Man, I'm sorry, didn't you know that you weren't supposed to park there?"

Its such a blast to see them grumble.

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My favorite thing to do is come out of the grocery store and notice that someone is parked illegally. I turn my head away and act like I cannot see them and drive my buggy right into their nice paint job. I look startled and exclaim "Man, I'm sorry, didn't you know that you weren't supposed to park there?"
Its such a blast to see them grumble.

omg Orpheus, you're mean! :biggrin:
But I perfetly understand what you're saying. Dog s**t is a real problem here in Vienna. In theory you get a fine for not cleaning up you dog's excrements but the police never executes this. They claim to have "more important things to do". But it makes an otherwise perfectly clean city look disgusting at places. It's ridiculous. No-one cares at all.

reaper47 said:
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<div class="quotetext">My favorite thing to do is come out of the grocery store and notice that someone is parked illegally. I turn my head away and act like I cannot see them and drive my buggy right into their nice paint job. I look startled and exclaim "Man, I'm sorry, didn't you know that you weren't supposed to park there?"
Its such a blast to see them grumble.

omg Orpheus, you're mean! :biggrin:
But I perfetly understand what you're saying. Dog s**t is a real problem here in Vienna. In theory you get a fine for not cleaning up you dog's excrements but the police never executes this. They claim to have "more important things to do". But it makes an otherwise perfectly clean city look disgusting at places. It's ridiculous. No-one cares at all.</div></div>

always wanted to visit vienna, but Im not quite sure any more....

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"I would blow your f**king head off! ...if I could afford it. I'm gonna get another job, start saving some money... then you a dead man!"

im gonna make an assumption here, but i figure big jon has been thru enough s**t in his life to warrant these kinds of outbursts...i do it as well....it must be that agism thing again, because the older i get, the less bulls**t i can stand....the last time i bit my toungue was at the store, where i was bruttally bashed by an old lady with a grocery cart, who not only bloodied my knuckles, but left a 3 x 12 bruise up the middle of my leg.....and she didnt say s**t...my youngest was with me, so i used it as a lesson for both courtesy, and respect.....and limped all the way to the damn truck.

point is, you guys think we are mean, and ornery, and constpated, or whatever, but i guaran-damn-tee ya, after about 4 decades of bulls**t, ya get to where ya cant take it as lightly as you used to....and all you young bucks will figure this out eventually....*crosses fingers....

and jon, you cantankerous old SOB.....give em hell brother, i wouldnt want you to be any other way than honest, with us, and yerself... :wink:

Doc B... :dodgy:

cannibis here where i live (generally britain i think) is so commonplace. last saturday i was walking through the busy city centre and i saw at least two people blatanly smoking joints. what amazed me about that was that it was in the middle of town with so many people around. personally i prefer a little privacy. it is very easy to get hold of. difference is, is that over here its resin, weed or grass is a little more rare

Yeh where I work everyother person you see is a chav and you can smell the pot when they walk past and its usually packed in the street aswell and they just wander through everyone smoking away.

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I take more and more crap as I get older because I care less and less. After a while you just accept that most people won't live up to your standards and what can you do, change their attitudes? No, that would be discrimination and the thought police will be on your ass faster than you can go "Oh :sad: "

It's like when someone's listening to music that "I don't agree with" (because it sucks) and so I point them towards something better and they're like "NOES!! blink 182 r best band evr lolz!!" So you just give up and move on (if you're me), and I couldn't be happier. :smile:

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I think they should legalize ALL narcotics, and tax the hell out of them, put ALL responsibility on the end users no matter WHAT, so they cant sue the dealers/manufacturers/etc. and then see what happens. Most of the people who would do enough of these drugs to be killed by them are not the kind of people we want around anyway.

I'm a firm beleiver in taking responsibility for ones actions. I also LOVE the Darwin Awards.

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over here its resin, weed or grass is a little more rare

I'm sorry for you, man.

In the LA area, very many people smoke pot, and everyone knows it, but
they don't talk about it in public, except in their little
groups. If the people who keep giving talks about the supposed
"dangers on marijuana"(most of which is BS, BTW) actually gave a damn,
they would pay attention to the ever-present conversation on what went
on last weekend.

As for halucinogens, salvia is safe, and I'm trying to get my hands on
some(because it's legal here, and it sounds interesting for mapping
inspiration). As for LSD, I read somewhere that the FDA regards
it as very safe, the problem seems to be people lacing it, or
substituting a paper bag filled with lighter fluid for it.

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I have read that LSD has no physical side effects. One of its down sides though is that it can seriously change your outlook on life, and philosophy of things; sometimes for the worst.

Yeah, you can take as much LSD as you want and you won't die, though you might want to once mutant alien cockroaches start coming out of the wall and procreating with you.

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It's the same with pot. In order to overdose on THC(one of the
more fun active ingredients in MJ(Delta-9 Tetrahydracanibinol)), you
would have to smoke enough marijuana to die of asphyxiation before
you'd OD.

That's one of the things "Above the Influence" doesn't tell you.

If anyone would like to debate this, and the validity of other anti-drug propoganda, you have the floor.(please,please,please,please)

Info:

http://www.erowid.org/

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Yeah, you just have to watch out for the laced stuff. Thats why we get our supply from a family friend.

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Well, seeing how pot is easier to get then beer here in America, I smoke more pot than I drink, I mean I get it delivered to my doorstep. But my view on things is I would prefer if only natural drugs were legal, I mean christ... their plants and mushrooms. But I wouldnt mind if LSD was legal too, but then again its really not for some people so i dont know where i stand on that issue really. Anyways, I say chief away.

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I think they should legalize ALL narcotics, and tax the hell out of them, put ALL responsibility on the end users no matter WHAT, so they cant sue the dealers/manufacturers/etc. and then see what happens. Most of the people who would do enough of these drugs to be killed by them are not the kind of people we want around anyway.
I'm a firm beleiver in taking responsibility for ones actions. I also LOVE the Darwin Awards.

Interesting point that has been put forward many times. My only problem with this is the addiction side which leads to crime. A vast portion of burglaries etc are motivated by drug abuse, so if you legalise them but tax them heavily, would you actually increase drug-related crime?

Anyways, I'm not going to comment further on this because:
1. I disagree with most people on this subject I'm afraid (as in I'm pretty firmly anti-drugs), but that's just my personal opinion.
2. When I get back to school (tomorrow) I'll be behind a filter that will almost certainly ban this topic!

As usual, /2 cents

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<span style="color: white;">To my opinion using drugs can</span><be fun i like to use CANABIS(Mariuana,weed) it inspires me....... i dont get wasted of it ...... im blessed with ADHD so for me a joint sets me to a lower gear....... ive tried XTC,SPEED,COCAINE&MUSHROOMS.......... but the HARDDRUGS is less fun....... so ill stick on joints.....

Never tried any drugs. Even though its legal here. Then again why should i?

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The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

as i said before i before i can't find harm in certain drugs as long as they're used in a controlled manner
addictions and reliance are were problems seem to happen with otherwise harmless substances
even if you legalized them and overtaxed them nickel there would still be dealers selling them below store prices and i don't think it would make that much of a difference, but the dealers might be able to get ahold of it easier

No it wouldn't. If cocaine were legal, there would be less of a
profit for Columbian cartells to sell it to America, because American
licensed dealers would get it from legal sources, not from the
cartels. Illegal drug planes get blown out of the sky, cahes of
illegal drugs are found and destroyed frequently, thus decreasing
supply, and increasing the price per gram. It is extremely rare
for a shipment of legal drugs to be seized by federal agents, so, given
that there isn't a drought, or something else to decrease supply, the
amount going in stays pretty high, supply goes up, and cost decreases.

Besides, most people would much rather buy safe blow from a licensed,
legal dealer, than some low-grade crap off the street illegally(In both
cases it would probably be cut first anyway, though).

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Drugs are drugs. Use them in an irresponsible way and
you will pay for it. I've done a slew of drugs in my short time as a
person "under the influence."
I feel that for the most part I?ve been a well informed and responsible
consumer.

My only problem with drugs is their connection with social taboo.
Anti-druggies spread more miss-information than politicians. Non-users
either get wrong information or know so little about drugs that they, like most
people, fear what they don?t know. When a child inquires about drugs (free vibe,
above the influence, truth) they are told: ?drugs are bad, people who do them
are bad, don?t do drugs.? Then when the poor impressible teen is introduced to
drugs (as many of us are) they find out how fun they can be and go overboard.*

This is why there needs to be a more open discussion about this topic. I find that many non-users (not surprisingly
most people here are far more open minded) are so ?brain washed? that it is
impossible for them to make any kind of choice for themselves on the issue.

I?m not trying to glorify drug use. Drugs, like many other things, are a superfluous
activity. I agree with Gwil, it?s less
the drugs and more about the social connections it makes and opens up.

Kids who live just to get f**ked up on pills or meth , and
have no idea what they are putting in their bodies are the kind of users who get
hurt most often. These people let
themselves get addicted and convince themselves that they need these
things. Its that kind of though process
that it really harmful.

*my ex was anti-drug/cigs/alcohol until she got to college
and was surrounded by people who were o.k. with all that kind of stuff, and now
she is failing out of college, and worse yet lying to our friends about her
smoking pot. All because she doesn?t
know how to be responsible with that stuff.

[EDIT] also, making all drugs legal then taxing
them (I assume you mean like taxes on cigs) would only create a system
where addicts are paying for rich kids to go to school. If you
want to see a good system check out amsterdam's stand on drugs.

i dont think all drugs should be legalized. some are just too dangerous to become legal. ive witnessed people on heroin and cocaine and their behaviour is pretty unpredicatable. plus there is a high OD risk to themselves

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I agree, not all drugs should be legalized. Currently illegal
minor depressants should be legal(pot), currently illegal stimulants
should remain illegal(cocaine, meth, heroine), and some halucinogens
should be legalizes(LSD, herbal halucinogens), but some should remain
illegal/prescription only(ketamine).

I was only using cocaine as an example above, I personally think that stuff is a plague.

Still, the arguement that legalizing all drugs will lead to social clean-up(scourge) is intriguing, but immoral...ish.

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My only problem with drugs is their connection with social taboo. Anti-druggies spread more miss-information than politicians. Non-users either get wrong information or know so little about drugs that they, like most people, fear what they don?t know.

I agree 110% with your whole post and that little part should really stand out to everyone. After I first smoked pot, I realized that there is such a big hype aobut how bad it can be and ruin your life, "gateway drug" and all that crap. Its more about the person and who your smoking weed with. Weed is about the only drug that I think shoudl be legalized, as long as its completly natural (only weed i smoke is naturally grown). If the people you smoke it with are like the people i hang out with, its completly fine. We dont do any harder drugs or anything, we have a couple of beers go out back smoke a joint or two (a few more smoke a cig after but i dont do smoke those) and get back to drinking and dancing and having a good time. I find it helps even more to take the edge off, its like taking a few more shots of alcohol with more laughing and less of the "I'm going to be sick" feeling.

The way they work it up in school is as soon as you smoke one joint your life is screwed. It doenst turn out that way, as long as the people you are with are not toal idiots and dont try and go off the deep end with it. If it wasn't weed those same people (that schools say your going to turn into) would be sniffing paint or something. It's all about the person and having something I call...a brain.

Responsable Irresponsability (I know its spelled wrong but you get the point)

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Word! Basically the only people who've ever told me about adverse effects on drugs are people who haven't done them... which might mean that druggies are too enveloped in their own little worlds to care, but that's not usually the case.

Responsible irresponsibility ftw! Just because they're certainly capable of f**king up some people's lives, doesn't mean they f**k up everybody's life, every time. I still prefer liquor.

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No disrespect to you guys, but you do take a very one sided opinion of
drugs. I used to shout up the right to take drugs, and the experiences
you can have with drugs and good friends - but over the years,
depending on circumstance, you can easily see how drugs can and will
mess lives up beyond belief.

I've taken drugs for about 7 years now, and despite my early days as a
champion of them, a lot of my time under the influence and the
subsequent actions and undertakings relating to drugs, I am ashamed of.

Dabbling in pot and possibly hallucinogens once a week or less is not a
real insight into the damage that drugs can do, both mentally and
physically. No offence guys.

Edit: just to say - I support better understanding of drugs, and
reevaluation of their legal status - but I would warn against having
laughs at a party whilst smoking pot and then qualifying yourself to
promote the cause of more relaxed attitudes to drugs.

If you are "really into" drugs and drug abuse, one day, most likely
several days, weeks and months will stick in your mind when things turn
sour. As one other point too - GreenDragon: I consider myself to be
pretty intelligent, and I know that at least 3 of the people I count as
good friends and intelligent ended up in regrettable social and
domestic situations because of their drug habits. Like any substance,
you have to understand that they are addictive and are detrimental to
your personal life if abused - which is easily done, especially at
impressionable ages or mindsets.

Of course, but as the old saying goes "all things in moderation", we aren't giving examples of real druggies, who are actually addicted, we're just talking about casual use.

People can get addicted to anything, it's a personality problem.
People who can't get through a day without two slurpies, eight cups of
coffee, and a few vicodin are just as addicted to those substances as
one can get to a narcotic, whether it be a physical addiction or a
psychological addiction. I'm not saying that being addicted to coffee
is the same thing as being addicted to cocaine, but they're similar.

Some people can snort coke one day, then they won't need it again, they
might want it, because, truth be told, it's one of the best physical
experiences a human being is capable of experiencing, but they don't
need it. other people can smoke one cigarette, and from their
become a chain smoker in very little time, it's all in one's
personality.

I was drinking mimosas almost all day Easter, I haven't had a drink since.

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I agree Gwil, I'm only speaking as a casual user about casual
use. I think its possible for someone to keep drug use under
controle, but unlike other addictions, drugs can get out of controle in
many ways very fast.

The major issue for me is the misinformation and untrusting "teacher"
figures who won?t trust kids to make their own decision about drugs based on
un-sensationalized facts.

pepper said:
Never tried any drugs. Even though its legal here. Then again why should i?

Very well said! Drugs, no matter how light they are, are all brain damaging, even pot/marijuana. So why make ourselves more stupid than we already are?

From my experience in drugs, only two are to be avoided at any cost: heroin and LSD, each for a reason. Heroin is a road leading straight to hell; it's the only drug that creates a real physical addiction. Heroin addicts drown in their own world, forget about reality, and start dying slowly... LSD is a powerful hallucinogen, and a "bad trip" with LSD can leave indelible sequels when it's not fatal: a constant paranoia, an extreme angst...
My favourite one is cocaine: long time ago it wasn't illegal at all, and it was an essential ingredient of ... Coca Cola's !! But of course it was removed after they discovered its toxic properties. Anyway, it's still an upbeat drug, makes you feel powerful and hyper active for a few hours (however it still causes a depressing "down" feeling after its culminating point)

and it was an essential ingredient of ... Coca Cola's !!

Are you sure you're not confusing cocaine with caffeine?

Or is that some kind of funky Lebanese coca cola you're talking about :heee: ?

i think back in the 1970s (and/or before?) they DID put cocaine in coca cola.

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It was way earlier than the 70's, but yeah, they had cocaine in Coca Cola... hence the name. :smile:

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Crystal meth is becoming a big problem as a drug here in the U.S. It's probably the most destructive and addicting drug out there, not to mention it can be made by anyone.

coke was first marketed as a hangover cure, and had some sort of weak cocaine derivative as it's active ingredient. they took it out of the cola when people found that adding asprin to it could get them high.

they say that smoking weed leads to a higher incidence of mental health problems in long term users, because studies find that a general cross section of these uses turns up a higher than average number MH cases.

it worries me, because further studies show that almost 100% of schizophrenics smoke cigs.

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Coke did have cocane in it in the early days because part of the flavoring is the coca leaves.

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coke was first marketed as a hangover cure, and had some sort of weak cocaine derivative as it's active ingredient.

So back then it could only be bought from a pharmacy?