Eyyy Saddam

Blair just confirmed it... wonder what happens now, my money is on the Americans spiriting him off to a 'military tribunal' to stop Iraq-Iran stuff from coming out :razz:

Actually it looks like he'll be tried in Iraq. But anyway, sweet news! For some reason i keep wanting to say in your face Bush ala homer simpson but that'd just make no sense :X

They caught Saddam when he was resupping ! Now that's lame.

:smile:

meh, theyl just use him to distract everyone from the fact theyre doing nothing about the "re-building" of iraq & letting us pick up pieces.

yeahhhhh daddy!!!!! w00t!!!!! ****dances a little jig....im not a vindictive person, but i hope he burns in hell!!! :razz:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

doing nothing?....comeon Korny.....gimme a break bud.... :rolleyes:

Its just to boost morale m8, Theyl blab on about all the bad things hes done & ignore whats going on.

+ I dont see anything being done bar more and more british soldiers who cant stand their government being sent in.

Korndawg, yer the last person id wanna get in a pissin contest with, but, my kids in theatre atm, and i for one and so f**kin happy im about to piss all over myself.... :heee:

Doc B....merry christmas!!! w00t!

its a no-win situation, if we execute him for his crimes, he becomes a martyr to the few fanatics left, if we imprison him for life, there is always the chance he will get free.

they should have shot him on sight, kicked a bit of dirt over him, and found him again a year or so from now.. confirmed it was him.. end of story.

this will not go well i bet :sad:

Im glad it means something to you m8, I hope your kids end up ok. Thing is, I think youd feel the same if most of your country was opposed to this war & your president was stuck up blairs arse & then it cost god knows how much in taxes just to give blair a visit to your country.

Its all a big waste of money, Imo its 1st priority was that bloody oil & now were getting the same reputation as the americans.

As I see it, Theres gonna be a s**tload of anti-british'ness around the corner. Hurrah...

Edit: + yes as orph said, If it wasnt about morale then theyd have got rid of him without public notification.

i respect your position Korn, ya know i respect you too....but.......bah! im in too good a mood to let it turn south at this point....gimme a day or two....w00t! :heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

anyone who still thinks its oil, ... well i don't think they have a name for people that single minded.

we already spent far more than the oil can return, its not the damned oil.

and korn, i hate to mention this but, the UK had a reputation long before 911. Beatlemania aside, few good events originated there I'm afraid.

your association with the US's stand on this adventure, was not in jeopardy because of it. that malady was already in place.

its not very nice to insinuate that the big ol USA made you do it :sad:

i just wanna enjoy this moment.....my kids are my life..... :wink:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

Bush has blair on a dog chain tbh m8. Its not the US making us do it, Most of us were opposed to it, Doesnt matter to blair though tbh, As long as he helps out other countries hes not too fussed.

+ oil has to be part of it m8, Small or large part doesnt really matter.

+ yes we had a reputation, Weve always had dodgy reputations, But its never been as big as the US. Were drunk fat football yobs atm.

"i just wanna enjoy this moment.....my kids are my life..... :wink: "

Prolly the best thing to do. I'l stop moaning before I get onto house prices..

Dr Brasso said:
i just wanna enjoy this moment.....my kids are my life..... :wink:

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

sends brassass a virtual flower..

we all luv'ya brass :smile:

Doing nothing? What'd you think they'd just turn up and over night suddenly Iraq would be all fixed up and just fine?

Orpheus: It'd be one hell of a jail break if they did decide to imprison him because i'd bet security would be tighter than something very tight.

watches as saddam is broken free from some coalition compoud :X

Just to lighten the thread up a bit.

harumphs

my flower wasn't good enuff :biggrin:

You've got to love it :biggrin:

ROFLMAO!!! ...well done Korndawg.....

Doc B... :dodgy:

I fail to see how we can't 'win' by locking Saddam up, which is really the only fate he's going to get (be interesting to see if he should release a book about the whole thing or be interviewed about it one day...)

KoRnFlakes said:
Bush has blair on a dog chain tbh m8. Its not the US making us do it, Most of us were opposed to it, Doesnt matter to blair though tbh, As long as he helps out other countries hes not too fussed.

+ oil has to be part of it m8, Small or large part doesnt really matter.

+ yes we had a reputation, Weve always had dodgy reputations, But its never been as big as the US. Were drunk fat football yobs atm.

"i just wanna enjoy this moment.....my kids are my life..... :wink: "

Prolly the best thing to do. I'l stop moaning before I get onto house prices..

Blair isn't on a chain, he's doing what he thinks is right- obviously he wouldn't be doing it without US backing though. I hate the guy though so no further comments there :razz: And so what if it's about oil? This war has cost billions, and surely it should be Iraqi oil that pays for reconstruction of the country, rather than my tax money which should be going on the NHS, schools etc.? Korn, you're way too negative, you should stop reading the Daily <STRIKE>Moron</STRIKE> Mail (house prices?!) and realise that the media usually only report the negatives in life :smile:

Leperous said:
I fail to see how we can't 'win' by locking Saddam up, as long as he is alive, someone will be foolish enuff to follow him, alive=no win

which is really the only fate he's going to get

sadly, knowing the US's policy on the death penalty, i imagine you are right.

as i said, they should have shot him on sight, kicked a bit of dirt on him and forgot about him for a year or so, then find him.. end of story that way :biggrin:

Thats just a silly idea in my opinion, the coalition was taking a lot of flack because they couldn't find him and hopefully this will remove the fear from a lot of Iraqis that he may return one day so maybe they'll start co operating. shrug

Beside he needs to be tried and hopefully in an Iraqi court. They should decide the punishment he gets for what he has done to them and not the UN.

Hopefully they won't kill him though. I'd quite like to see him live out the rest of his life in an Iraqi compound under lock and key.

Lep: Couldn't agree more wit what you just said.

silly or not, i bet it plays out badly.

my way, a year from now everyone could rest easy, any other way, there will always be a remote chance, and i dislike the odds.

Orpheus said:
as i said, they should have shot him on sight, kicked a bit of dirt on him and forgot about him for a year or so, then find him.. end of story that way :biggrin:

What, whip his body out when there's some (even worse) bad PR going around? :razz: I think there's more to gain from capturing him alive, especially if the US plays by international law and doesn't take matters into its own hands now... His trial should be interesting when he calls up Rumsfeld et al who blatantly knew he was using chemical weapons on his own people, which is what the trial is going to focus on.

lets hope you guys are right, but can we at least remember i had another viewpoint :smile:

i am betting i am right, but it would be cool by me to be wrong this time.

wrong can be a good thing too :biggrin:

hard as i try tho, i just cannot see your way as the right thing to do.. sorry, no offense intended, but i always like caution first, and dead men tell no lies.

Heres an interesting article, chronicalling the crimes of Saddam Hussein and his family against humanity. It's in PDF format so you'll need acrobat reader to read it.

http://www.iraqfoundation.org/hr/2002/cdec/irdp.pdf

I think it safe to say that someone had to bring this man to justice. We are quickly becoming a global community, and this kind of behaviour is un-acceptable on a human level. God bless all who are putting there lives on the line to make this planet a better place to live, no matter what country they live in.

Happy holidays to all pitters and there loved ones.

Did you notice how everybody congratulates Bush, as if HE caught Saddam himself?And the Kurds?Nobody mentions that they risked their skin to give the americans vital intel.Nooo, its "Bush this..." "USA that..." "NATO bla bla" etc.

Andrei said:
Did you notice how everybody congratulates Bush, as if HE caught Saddam himself?And the Kurds?Nobody mentions that they risked their skin to give the americans vital intel.Nooo, its "Bush this..." "USA that..." "NATO bla bla" etc.

scans list of priorities

YUP!, just as i suspected, credits due is # 99, right under "remember to replace toilet tissue on spindle"

i think you need to reasses your own priorities... it will help you to sleep at night.

Ok, nice job.

But will the Iraq situation get better immediately, now public enemy #1 is captured ? I don't think so.

He has been down there for weeks, maybe months, not doing anything but sleeping and eating. (lovely life, imho :razz: ) He didn't have to chance to terrorize or tirranize his country whilst being down there.

So why did things run out of hand in the last couple of months ? Not because Saddam was designing evil plans on his farm. Not because he organized a land-spread plague of terror.

I think the U.S. has underestimated Iraq. Bringing down the government, that's one thing. Rebuild what you and th?t government have broken, that's something else.

Juim: beutiful post. :smile: Agree totally.

Jelousey is an ugly thing.

I see three ways this can go..

1: Terror Attacks rise, due to loyalist wanting revenge.

2: Things calm down becuase the message has been sent we will get you no matter what.

3: Everything stays the same.

Sure Blame America.. heck were strong enough to take the blame and the glory.. we have been saving the worlds ass now for 2 world wars, and more. We stand up in the darkness and defend people we dont know, and bring them freedom, and liberty.

I say jump on board or jump in our sights.. either way get involved.

You people in other countries can sit there and spit on us, and act all smug and improper, but will still be here doing what we do, and nothing you say, or do will change that..

Dr. Brass, give that Kid of your's a Big Salute, and a hardy THANK YOU from me when you hear from him/her.

Im pround to be an American, where at leaste I know Im free..

MoneyShot ($)

You know Money, that is the bigest problem with US foreign policy. We are constantly trying to save the world, but there is one little problem: the world doesn't want to be saved, or maybe doesn't see that it needs to be. And who knows, maybe it dosen't. I just think we should consider that we might be wrong.

Can't you people just be happy they caught the bastard?

dances on a freshly dug grave waiting for a body

Tracer Bullet said:
I just think we should consider that we might be wrong.

not wrong, premature.

the world isn't ready to be saved.

my concern, we waste time on the people who could care less, meanwhile we have needy right here at home.

i think the next war, should be right here on our soil, war against poverty,bad health plans, and corrupt money grubbers who want to keep us that way.

The world is ready to be saved but not just by America. It's time other nations started policing as well and supporting the cause.

Orph: The Iraqis do care though, they were hardly enjoying living under saddam. Just because a few extremists want to shoot up the Americans doesn't mean the nation doesn't appreciate the what they're doing. They just wish they'd hurry up and do it :smile:

And sure we do have problems at home but not half as bad as what they had and just because things aren't perfect here doesn't mean we should ignore places where it's so far from perfect we probably can't comprend what it's like living there. We do get things pretty damn good.

YAK Fighter, I am damn happy we caught the basterd.

I agree we should not try to save the world, and that we have problems here on our home soil.. but our problems are pale to those of other countries.. NOT less important, just pale in comparisson.

During WWII, Berlin was starving, because Russia was blocking every way in or out.. but Americans and Brittish Bombers flew missions in country to feed them..

We have been doing missions like this ever since, and I hope we continue to save the world from its self. Someone has too.. Someone has to stand up to Evil and put it in its place.. just as long as we dont become the evil we are fighting.

Yeah the video of Iraqies dancing in the street firing guns in the air, shaking pop bottles and just as happy as can be all the time screaming Death to Saddam.. is enough proof to me we did some real good over there.

($)

I guess it's safe to say that korn doesn have any kids in iraq that are dying for this 'waste of money'.

Saddam is captured. The few resisting loyalists are most likely going to give up soon. And no, this isn't just an american malinformed opinion i made from watching fox news.

Today is a time to be happy, not pessimistic >_<

theres my 2 cents

Eyyyy!!!

Tim, that avatar of yours, is it supposed to be "Race Bannon" off of "Johnny Quest"?

No hehe but he reminds me of race also

He's captain murphy, from Sealab 2021.. a really funny show on cartoon network

When that first guy came up and said "ladies and gentlemen...we got 'im!", I just couldn't stop laughing. That was such an american thing to do :biggrin:

What a load of rubbish. I just saw a US official calling Saddam a coward because he was in hiding. Well I don't see Blair or Bush fighting in the war? What an absurd statement. As soon as there is the chance of danger to Bush or Blair they got whipped off to one of many 'secret' underground bunkers... and then when they find Saddam in a similar bunker, allbeit less grand bunker, he is called a coward!

As for Saddam, I think executing him would be the worst thing possible. "Hey this Saddam guy kills people who don't agree with his political ideals.... lets get this bastard out!" everyone says. Then when they catch him "Hey this guy doesn't agree with out political ideals... Kill him!" It's almost laughable.

part 1= good point

part 2= bulls**t.

1 out of 2 aint so bad jeffery :biggrin:

MoneyShot, you write some very misinformed, ignorant and just.. downright stupid things sometimes :razz:

"During WWII, Berlin was starving, because Russia was blocking every way in or out.. but Americans and Brittish Bombers flew missions in country to feed them.."

Wrong. The Russians were approaching Berling at a rate of knots, eager for revenge after the horrors of Leningrad/Stalingrad and everything up to the River Volga. I believe youre talking about the "berlin blockade", which happened during the Cold War. The Cold War being a problem exacerbated (spelling) by USSR/USA tit for tat political games.

"We have been doing missions like this ever since, and I hope we continue to save the world from its self. Someone has too.. Someone has to stand up to Evil and put it in its place.. just as long as we dont become the evil we are fighting."

So, carpet bombing with napalm and Agent Orange, in Vietname and countries not even involved in that conflict is saving the world? Backing illegal regimes, simply because they were anti-Communist (look at Central America)? Trade embargos against Cuba, forging of documents against Cuba - when they have clearly done nothing wrong but be let-wingers 90km off your coast.

I'm not doing this as an anti-USA thing, I'm just saying, you need to open your eyes and realise that the USA isn't always the force for good you seem to think it is - as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in arguments pertaining to history and fact.

The Iraqi campaign has been nothing but trouble for the coalition, if they intend to carry out similar action elsewhere (I wouldnt put it past them yet) they need to figure out a new policy which isnt "Shoot First, Think About Rebuilding Later". America, Britain - all democratic states of the West, and East need to put their heads together and stop using war, violence, embargos as a solution. Someone needs to remember the humanity.

Oh, and this campaign isn't a victory for America, or world peace, or Britain, or anybody. It should be seen as a victory for people who were opressed and held down by a totalitarian regime.

It was more of a Terrence & Philip 'heyyy saddam' kind of thing more than the Fonz :wink:

What are you lot on about, no-ones complaining about his capture, we're just bitching about what happens to him next. Obviously he's not going to the Hague any more, because of the whole crooked-US-administration thing and the contempt you seem to hold for the rest of the world, but I hope he's not exectuted- better he rots in prison for the few years he's got left and comes to perhaps regret his ways, and suffer.

An Iraqi prison will be less secure in the long run, and I can imagine that there'll be a lot of outcry if he's held in the USA or an utterly barbaric cage in Cuba. I say lock him up next to Milosovic!

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What are you free to do that I, or anyone else in the western world, isn't? Sorry this isn't more anti-Americanism, it's anti-american-americanism (aka fanaticism/patriotism)

I could have said more, but I really can't be bothered currently - lets just clear one thing up for good.

America did not "win" World War I, or II. The Germans were losing to one side or another before the USA got involved on either occasion. WWI - The Allies, WWII - Russia. Please, understand - there are no "winners" in war, it isn't a matter of patriotism or anything else. War should only be just when defending innocent people against aggresive moves by other nations.

Gwil, you know your history, and yes, much of what Money said is BS, but there is no way you can deny that America played a decisive role in WWII! I would bet that the lend-lease agreement with Britian is probably the only reason your island was never taken.

I know very little of WWI and less of Veitnam and Korea, not to mention all of the s**tty Latin American interventions, and I don't deny that the US has done awfull things, but the fact remains that much of our foreign policy has been motivated by an unrealistic desire to make the world a better place. even the cold war was in a sense a misguided attempt to "save" the world from communism. I'm not saying that what America does is always good or right, just that usualy the intention is good, if sometimes fanatical or skewed.

/2cents

Fair point Tracer Bullet, I just think they need to stop being misguided - and I'm not promoting an idea of America being isolationist and staying out of the worlds affairs either... (as Lep said to me, that was quite a large factor in WWI's beginnings).

To be fair, I dont think Germany would have had the resources to invade Britain, but we are grateful for the support we recieved in fighting the Kaiser from all who gave it to us. Oh, just as a side point - I agree with the UN intervention in Korea, the North Korean administration was totally unjustified in starting an invasion.. so, there you see - America and its allies did the right thing (up to a point.. :razz: )

germany itself didnt have the resources... but occupying countries doesnt mean you just post a flag on a stump. factories, mills, and even portions of the military are taken over... so they indeed had enough to take britain. I'm NOT saying that we saved you guys, but you all would be speaking german today if we didnt step in and help out. However, saying that america didn't cast the winning hand in the WWI and WWII, is just as proposterous as saying that we marched in and wiped out germany single handedly with britain hiding behind us.

Yes.. i'm going to partially take money's side in this. No matter the danger to ourselves, we seem to be the country who steps in when nobody else will. And if whether or not this just another "malinformed, ignorant" opinion, is your choice. However, Blair also saw it right to step in and help - yes, the same blair that your freedom to self-govern produced.

yawn The reasons for German defeat (and the US role in it) have been stated and debated before.

Let me just say that while the war against Germany was going on there was this little country called Japan causing a ruckus that the US basically fought and beat by itself (yes yes, Australians, NZ, British, Indians, Chinese, each important, but how many aircraft carriers did they send to fight?) That was half of WWII right there.

...and I dare ya'll to say something about the atomic bombs. :razz: