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Orpheus said:
Same holds true with adults. Its not really that we intentionally mean to be disrespectful of youth, but more so that we have already been there type of viewpoint. In other words, unless you have done something DRASTICALLY different, you are pretty much going to do the same things we have.

Okay, I know what you're saying, but whether it's intentional or not, disrespect still doesn't need to be there. And yeah, all generations end up doing the same things such as "rebelling against some sort of authority (hippies/emo kids)" and "Growing older while simultaneously changing their veiwpoints." But our world IS drastically different than yours. Many kids know more now than your generation could have possible hoped for at that age. We have so many ways of making things faster and getting information. We have millions of online encyclopedias and other informational sites on the internet. Hell, the internet itself in its basest form trumps the black-and-white TV you had when YOU were a kid. Fact is, young people now are logging on to all the information in the world made available through thier computer, They are doing this at the same age you were watching "Howdy-Doody."

FatStrings said:
if i understand orph correctly he is not trying to tell nickel that he will agree with his ideas, but will finally realize that orph is not always trying to tell him he's wrong or one-up him, only showing him another way to look at things

but i do agree that nickels arguements tend to hold no relevance at times and lack substance, im sure mine do at times as well, but sometimes you have to let go of the s**tty weightless ones

And Fatstrings, I can get a better look at a tenderloin by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take my butcher's word for it. Just let it go, you're 17 and you have no idea how anything works. When you are 21.5 years old like me, you will see the world in a different light and you will come crawling back to me apologizing for being such a sucky n00b at life.

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sighs

Nevermind. I am slow, but even I know a lost cause when I see one. You can stop picking on Fatman. He didn't do anything.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

NO! he's not as old as me! I have done everything that he will do before he has done it, therefore i have all his life experiences already and i will always be leaps and bounds ahead of him in all things, he lives a pointless existence and he has no valid opinions because he is younger than ME!!! ME... a mere mortal whose life is also meaningless in the shadow of yours, O great one.

Now that i have reached the magical age of 21.5004 I have been hit by a tidal wave of maturity and wisdom such as fastrings will know only when he reaches this age and I now see that you are always right and there is no point in ever disagreeing because age trumps all, for with age comes the same cookie-cutter life experiences that will gain us the same knowledge.

VANITY! VANITY! ALL IS VANITY!!!!

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No, what you are doing is picking on him because you are losing again. You have lost every debate you have ever been in since you arrived here. Now, you're going to take that out on Fatman as if somehow it will recapture some of your lost pride. Whether you think its possible to win/lose online is unimportant. The perception is "YOU LOST" and perception is everything.

You are thinly disguising it in the fabric of my own words but your methodology lacks conviction because you are mushing it within a temper tantrum.

You know, one of my best online friends knows my narrow views on homosexuals. He commented on them and then allowed me to go on my merry way without asking me to alter my views one bit.

I have more in common with him, than you will ever have with anyone here because you always try to change people. Be it their minds or their views.

Again I am asking you. Stop picking on Fatman. He didn't do anything.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Perhaps, but I abhor ignorance that can be changed.

I have more in common with him, than you will ever have with anyone here because you always try to change people. Be it their minds or their views.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

Your point Wilson?

Your quote supports what I said, was that your intention? If so, why bother bringing it to the fore?

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Nickelplate:

J?germeister?

[color=#ff8000][size=13]<br style="color: white;"> <br style="color: white;">
Horrible, horrible stuff. People always force me to drink it on "big
nights out". I'd prefer a double Goldschlager/Southern Comfort anyday
for a short sharp shock when boozing.<br style="color: white;">
<br style="color: white;">
Those, or Courvoisier, but my wallet limits me!

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Orpheus said:
Your point Wilson?

Your quote supports what I said, was that your intention? If so, why bother bringing it to the fore?

You say you abhor ignorance that cannot be changed, however, you say the difference between yourself and Nickelplate (in fact, the reason why youll never agree) is the fact that he tries to change people. I see this as contradictory.
Apart from that, I agree with parts of your argument.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

gwilym....might i suggest a frozen shot (or ten) of jose cuervo 1800.....puts a pep in yer step, lead in yer pencil, and its a part of a major food group... :heee:

wilson...have you never been chastized or put in a disdainful light by a moronic ignoramous? ....

.....nyuk nyuk nyuk.....

Doc B... :dodgy:

wil5on said:
You say you abhor ignorance that cannot be changed, however, you say the difference between yourself and Nickelplate (in fact, the reason why youll never agree) is the fact that he tries to change people. I see this as contradictory.

Apart from that, I agree with parts of your argument.

Go on. Clarify please.

It was my intention to post my viewpoint, or take on any given topic. Although I cannot stop anyone from changing their minds, my objective is NEVER to alter ones views.

In this case, my viewpoint on gays is narrow, but even if I were the only person here who thought it, I wouldn't expect anyone to swap sides no matter how convincing I may seem.

If you got the impression that somehow I desire to alter peoples views toward my thinking, think again. That would be a line that I would never intentionally cross.

As I said though, I cannot stop people from changing. (other than to never post again)

So the question remains, did you read my reply incorrectly, or are you accusing me of something... Evil?

Perhaps, but I abhor ignorance that can be changed

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I can't even get my head around what I'm trying to think, I've skipped
over the last few posts and still this is so far off topic, and that is
what I was talking about. Its easy to be right when you blast
static in all directions.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting DrGlass</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I can't even get my head around what I'm trying to think, I've skipped over the last few posts and still this is so far off topic, and that is what I was talking about. Its easy to be right when you blast static in all directions.
</DIV></DIV>

Quoted For Truth.

Seriously Orpheus... If you are not trying to convince people to think YOUR way, why do you keep telling them your way when they contradict you? If you are on this high-road where you just "let people know an alternative way of thinking" then shouldn't you say it once and then sit back and watch as people become enlightnened?

That would be the way of it if in fact you were doing what you claim. But instead you go on talking about "winning and losing" debates and arguments. How can you "win" so much when all you do is open our eyes to an alternative that we have NEVER thought about before because we are young? It's because you ARE arguing, and you're doing it so you can "win" whatever that means. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but debates aren't WON, they are ended. Only arguments are won, and if you're arguing, then you're trying to change someone's point of view by showing them that your point of view is rooted in fact and that thiers is faulty, leaving them -as logical people- no other alternative but to turn to your way of thinking, thus you "win."

So which is it? are you arguing and trying to win some online pissing contest? or are you simply stating yur points of view in an environment where nobody wins and we all learn something from eachother?

Gwil said:
Nickelplate:

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>J?germeister?

Horrible, horrible stuff. People always force me to drink it on "big nights out". I'd prefer a double Goldschlager/Southern Comfort anyday for a short sharp shock when boozing.<BR style="COLOR: white"><BR style="COLOR: white">Those, or Courvoisier, but my wallet limits me!
</div></div>

Jager plain or in Jager-bombs is good for me. Goldschlager is also awesome. However, the strangest thing I've had recently that I advise you to try is russian Cognac and cherry coke. It's great.

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right or wrong nickel all you have succeeded in doing with that response to my comment is make yourself look like a jackass

i wasn't trying to take a side, i was merely attempting to clarify, in the years i've known you you would think i would have learned better than to think that you actually read the opposing comments before replying

Fatstrings, it was never about you. Beleive it or not, not everything IS about you. (BTW, you're being trax0red)

I was not making myself look like a jackass, I was showing how stupid it sounds to say that you could not possible have anything VALID in your brain just because you are younger than someone else. Of course it's not true, but that is the point i was making. You're just too angsty sometimes. You've got to stop hanging out with Joe, or you'll turn Emo-kid on us.

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Say anything in an eloquent and respectful manner and most people will listen to you without any complaints. Then you get retorts like, "Ah, I see" and "Now that you put it that way". It's interesting and annoying at the same time.

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DrGlass said:
Its easy to be right when you blast static in all directions.

Is that genuinely how you see things here?

sighs

I had hoped differently. I seldom see things with perfect clarity, this just happens to be one of those rare times. Every point I made during this whole thread is crystal clear. The only hazy portions was Nickels additions. What struck me as funny though was, in his weird way, he was confirming exactly what I was saying.

Someday your tuner will pick up more than static.

/nuff said.

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<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Nickelplate</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>So which is it? are you arguing and trying to win some online pissing contest? or are you simply stating yur points of view in an environment where nobody wins and we all learn something from eachother?

</DIV></DIV>

You know what always strikes me as odd. People assume that since the internet lacks intimacy, that it is some sort of a "VOID" environment where anything goes. This very lack of physicality precludes "real world" scenarios.

I have noticed that only the people who constantly lose debates, bring up the point of the internet being a battle field with no real winners and losers.

The odd thing is, this is so totally untrue yet, those same losers always seem to never notice.

Its true that on the net, there is no real way to slap someone silly for running their mouth. In the real world, less than 10% of all these confrontations would never see more than 2 or 3 sentences before someone ends up on the ground with a bloody nose. Online this is so impractical that its very obviousness is exploited by these habitual losers of debates.

In reality, the internet is much more personal because the written word is the only real weapons one can incorporate into any scene. One builds up a reputation, and over time their words become either "more" or "less" valuable.

This value is where you win and lose. Sadly, the people who think that this "VOID" has no consequences never see this.

Nickel, you always resort to "You cannot win on the internet" thereby reducing anything you say to meaningless crap.

I have seen you enter so many worthy debates, only to come out of them with so much egg on your face that all you'd need do was add a bit of flour and you'd have a fine pancake batter. So many chances you wasted by inserting bulls**t because you are convinced that there is no way to lose on the net.

Until you finally see that there are winning and losing sides of any wordgame, you will always lose.

As far as my attempting to alter peoples views because I believe that there are winning and losing sides, thats just another aspect of your faulty outlook.

The internet isn't a void. It is made up of people who build histories about themselves. How will your history be written? The outlook isn't good.
Sadly, everything I just typed will be filed away under your desktop waste basket and you'll have gained... Nothing.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Fatstrings, it was never about you. Beleive it or not, not everything IS about you. (BTW, you're being trax0red)
I was not making myself look like a jackass, I was showing how stupid it sounds to say that you could not possible have anything VALID in your brain just because you are younger than someone else. Of course it's not true, but that is the point i was making. You're just too angsty sometimes. You've got to stop hanging out with Joe, or you'll turn Emo-kid on us.

you're going about this the wrong way, that is what everyone is trying to tell you man
trying to make orph look stupid isn't getting you anywhere, in fact, due to the mature environment of the pit, all it is doing is lowering your "score" in this "argument" (for lack of better words)
try coming up with a good and valid statement instead of attempting to make everyone else look stupid, because it's not working
i saw what you were trying to do, i don't think this is about me, that's why i told you im not trying to take sides, once again you repeated yourself without reading into what i said, because if you had read into what i said you would have commented on how i said you don't read into anything

DrGlass said:
Its easy to be right when you blast static in all directions.

Is that genuinely how you see things here?

sighs

I had hoped differently. I seldom see things with perfect clarity,
this just happens to be one of those rare times. Every point I made
during this whole thread is crystal clear. The only hazy portions was
Nickels additions. What struck me as funny though was, in his weird
way, he was confirming exactly what I was saying.

Someday your tuner will pick up more than static.

/nuff said.

no no no! maybe this is all a misunderstanding, let me try to make myself clear.

preface:

Imagin that this forum was 100% anonomys, we didn't know each other's
age, race, religion, or background. Would one person's opinion,
on a purly opinion based thought (i.e. something that can have no true answer like, abortion or imigration) hold more weight than anyone elses? no

So the argument I was making to you was about this: does age make one person's opinion matter more than anothers? I say no

To support that answer: I feel that age doesn't have any bearing
on fundimental truths. If a person finds what they belive to be a
fundimental truth when they are 12, or when they are 97 makes no
diffrence.

A 48 year old can have a strong opinion on human life, but never been
to war or kill another human. A 19 year old can have a strong
opinion on human life and have been to war, and killed another
person. Their opinions are both valid. If the ages were
switched, both the 19 year old and 48 year old would still have their
own different yet equily valid opinions.

What was frustrating me so much was that you were telling me that "one
day I'll understand" but you failed to say what I would
understand. I may not agree with you Orph, but I respect your
opinions, even if I don't agree with the content.

Now I do belive age matters in terms of technical experiance, I'd
rather fly with a 80 year old pilot with 65 years of experiance than a
19 year old with 3. Though, the 80 year old could also have
started flying when he was 77 and the 19 year old could have started at
age 10. but thats not the point

I know I will have diffrent views on many things when I'm
older. But you can not tell me that I will "understand" something
when you don't tell me what "it" is. but
again, that isn't the point, I wasn't saying that you were wrong, I
just wanted to know what you were talking about. That still isn't
clear to me.

*excuse the spelling and grammer mistakes no time to spell check (now that is something that will come to me with age;)

maybe when your old enough you will have an illusion of understanding each other because you feel like you have more of a common tie in age?

Orpheus, I think I misread your posts, and for that I apologise. Still, consciously or not, everyone wants to make others beleive the way they do. I think you are doing this, albeit subconsciously.

I do agree that there are some things that cant be taught directly, and must be learned through experience. But, since everyones experiences are different, everyone will have a slightly different understanding of the issue. You cant just say that "one day, youll think like I do" because we are all from different places, have different backgrounds, and will think in very different ways when we get older.

I'm seeing a lot of people arguing about validity of opinions. Any opinion is valid, but as an opinion, it is open to debate and can be proven wrong. I dont have the experience to prove your opinions wrong, Orpheus, but I wont assume theyre right either.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

personaly i would rather have discussions/debates/conversations with people that do (sub)consiously attempt to sway others to their believes, it's much better than having someone agree with everything you say and attempt to "comform" (i couldn't think of a good word so settle) to your ideas

I f**king hate you all so much. I'll be back after a while.

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easy nickel, your maturity level is showing....and im suprised......ive heard thats not a very christian-like thing to say.... :rolleyes:

in other words, in my mind at least, you just proved everyone elses points, not just from this thread, but others as well....need a shovel?

Doc B... :dodgy:

NO! if you're not going to hold yourself to the standards don't hold anyone else to them.

When orpheus says "I recognise a lost cause when i see one." he's perfectly mature, but when i say it in another way, I'm wrong. No. Screw you, pal.

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jesus yer full of s**t man... lemme make my statement clear:

<DIV class=quotetitle>? posted by Nickelplate</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I f**king hate you all so much. I'll be back after a while.</DIV>
THAT is what im talking about....ya sound like my 13 year old....and i KNOW she doesnt have a clue....up till now, ive given you the benefit of the doubt, for the most part....and if you'd been here a bit longer, and paid a little more attention, you'd know that Orph and i have had our own battles, and still talk on an adult level.....

look up the word schmuck.....and then look in the mirror. :wink:

Doc B...

...Gwil, since yer the acting HNIC, how about locking this thread before it really goes completely to s**t; its become a "turd that wont flush"

glad to see we are all flaming here.

yeah this topic is a disaster, went so far off topic and even then nothing was resolved. I 2nd to lock and bury

Yeah, sorry that I said a curse word, guys. but since you all say them all the time, I'm sure one slip-up on my part won't completely corrupt you...

Anyway, I'm just really tired of being told that my opinions don't count because I'm younger, religious, american, white, male or anything else that I am.

I think we need to "seek first to understand, then to be understood." So orpheus, I want you to explain your WHOLE point to me one more time so I can understand. But since I'm a young'un You need to not use any big-boy words.

So, in short, sorry if I've offended anyone with my f-bomb.

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Nickelplate...

You completely missunderstood the last 3 posts made. Settle down, take a breath, and read again man.

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man.....you missed the point yet again, or completely evaded it. the pit has always been a place where folks could speak their minds, if they do so on a mature, adult level....i could give a s**t if you cuss ....im navy trained, and have been in construction ever since then....i could teach you a few cuss words....your opinions do matter man, but if you want to bring them across as " i know it all", then yer gonna get flak....primarily because, at your age sir, there is no way in hell you could, visa vi, the contempt you recieve from those who have been around a helluva lot longer than you.....ive seen and done s**t that i hope no person ever has to deal with man.... you ought to learn when to pay attention, and when to stfu. but, im old, wtf do i know....eh?

chill, lose the sarcasm, and lets try to bring this back to a discussion, instead of a flamefest....agreed?

if it makes ya feel any better, i learn things here all the time that have absolutely nothing to do with mapping....helps me understand wtf is going thru my own kids head.....you guys help me to understand the younger mindset, because quite frankly, at times im mystified at the thought processes.... :wink:

Doc B... :dodgy:

Opinions are things you beleive to be absolutely true. If you present them in any other way than with conviction, I believe that you are selling yourself short.

I never like to flame anyone. It's just really hard to present things as I see them when all I ever get is flak for them. Many times the flak i get is just flaming under the guise of "sarcastic maturity." It's always hard to take the high road I beleive in while I'm getting bullcrap from all sides.

I know I beleive in lots of things that not many people beleive in anymore. But I'm really getting the feeling that despite our "all opinions are equal" additude here, I'm not getting a fair chance.

And finally, I don't think I've been any more immature than anyone else. and it's hard not to sound like a know-it-all or whatever when I really DO know a LOT of stuff about a LOT of stuff. Just because the average american my age is sitting around smoking pot and "studying" english literature (which means playing nintendo in the dorms), doesn't mean that we are all like that.

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Opinions are things you beleive to be absolutely true. If you present them in any other way than with conviction, I believe that you are selling yourself short.
I never like to flame anyone. It's just really hard to present things as I see them when all I ever get is flak for them. Many times the flak i get is just flaming under the guise of "sarcastic maturity." It's always hard to take the high road I beleive in while I'm getting bullcrap from all sides.
I know I beleive in lots of things that not many people beleive in anymore. But I'm really getting the feeling that despite our "all opinions are equal" additude here, I'm not getting a fair chance.
And finally, I don't think I've been any more immature than anyone else. and it's hard not to sound like a know-it-all or whatever when I really DO know a LOT of stuff about a LOT of stuff. Just because the average american my age is sitting around smoking pot and "studying" english literature (which means playing nintendo in the dorms), doesn't mean that we are all like that.

In some ways, to use your wording, you're selling yourself short here ... that or not giving others in this community enough credit. There is already an established persona of "Nickelplate". We know plenty about your hobbies and how you act. You work with computers at a school, build cars in your free time and are a very faithful religious practitioner.
So, on that point, I think you may have lost sight that, technically, these aren't people you met yesterday that you decided to get into a pissing contest with ... as odd as that may be if that's your sort of thing.

I completely understand your initial point! To some extent I agree with you. But the delivery was like yelling at a kid. I can understand the agitation as everyone decided to point that out, as true as it maybe, one polite comment would have been enough to diffuse the situation. Especially taking how many times this exact argument has sprung up between you and Orph.

Lastly ... even though this doesn't exempt him, Orph has just about the thickest skull I've ever come across, doesn't want to change any way of thinking ... nor does he seem to want to learn anything new ... while that isn't an excuse, it's a warning. Don't "debate" with him. There's no way he'll see your point ... and oddly he'll think you completely missed his even though it's very simple and easy to understand and quite implicit most of the time (no offense).

I think, also, in this community, at least, that not only age has a factor with some members, but, for a fact, membership number does. I'm surprised no one brings mine up ... to be honest. I know there's more newer members here now than the first year I was here, but, I have noticed that until someone can prove that they fit into some niche here almost perfectly there will be some specific point that will rile them out and probably completely piss them off. It seems that with you is Orph's thick head in "debate".

Anyway, I didn't mean to offend anyone, or anything like that.

Just calm down, I guess. Let it go he'll be dead in like ... 50 years. Oh wait, he lives in Arkansas and drives for a living ... 20 years.

In conclusion: enough with the s**t slinging!

Disclaimer: No actual ridicule was intended in this post.

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Amen, Crono. Although I don't always agree with you every time, I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one. As well as you all knowing me, you know that this only happens when I am arguing with Orph... never with anyone else. I'm just gonna stay away from him or something...

PS. I can't stress enough that debates and expressions of opinions are NOT contests, pissing or otherwise. Nobody needs to "win." No matter what some folks here may think. But hey, if you REALLY need to win something, go ahead. :smile:

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Nickelplate said:
Opinions are things you beleive to be absolutely true. If you present them in any other way than with conviction, I believe that you are selling yourself short.

...

It's always hard to take the high road I beleive in while I'm getting bullcrap from all sides.

...

and it's hard not to sound like a know-it-all or whatever when I really DO know a LOT of stuff about a LOT of stuff.

See, that's where i disagree. You can firmly believe in things, and share those beliefs, but that doesnt mean you do yourself wrong if you don't sell those beliefs as absolute truths.

There's a quote from the devil's advocate that is related to this:

Don't get too cocky my boy. No matter how good you are don't ever let them see you coming. That's the gaffe my friend. You gotta keep yourself small. Innocuous. Be the little guy. You know, the nerd... the leper... s**t-kickin' surfer. Look at me. Underestimated from day one. You'd never think I was a master of the universe, now would ya?

Taking a high profile stance isn't wrong, but inevidably gets you into heated debates with conflicting visions (mostly with ppl adopting a high profile too, such as Orph). I too disagree with Orph on things, who doesnt? :razz: But i'll just state my opinion once (or not, if someone else already said it), and for the rest relativize. It can be the quiet observers who often hit the nail on the head like Crono in this case, for which i applaud him.

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Well I'm glad we are back on track. In nickels defence, after
reading thru page 1, he got pulled into this one, imho. I was
getting frustrated too just watching it unfold.

Well, it's unusual to see things like this burn themself out over 1/2 pages! Life gets better...

doc G, i beg to differ with you, vehemently....seems to me, after going back and re-reading the entire friggin' thread, that this is where the s**tball took shape and started rolling...:

*posted by nickelplate

Orph. It's not so much that you lack a belief system, it's that your belief system is so... mean. i.e, "I'm older than you, so you are WRONG!"

now, anyone that knows Orph at all knows that he is not a mean spirited person, and that retort would have been a stormbringer, to damn near everyone, and personaly, i think he (jon) handled it with a modacem of taste....heres his reply:

*quoted from Orpheus

I hate to break this to you Nickel, but the longer I am here, the older the Snarkpit members get. The older they get, the more they realize that what I think about age, isn't so far fetched. I get PM's all the time apologizing for past heated words about my belief that AGE MATTERS.

Someday, I will get one from you to. Thats how certain I am. In fact I am positive that one day, you won't see me the same way you do now.

Age doesn't guarantee accuracy, but it seems that way sometimes. More so to the young who think your are full of s**t for being old. :smile:

now to me, thats a fairly eloquent, and NICELY worded retort....from a mature individual...whether you agree or not, there it is....

nickel, ive told you before that i think you seem to ba an intelligent individual, maybe even ahead of the game for your years....but, imho, you have alot to learn yet sir....i hope it doesnt take too long, id love to see the results....im not a young man... :heee:

Doc B... :dodgy:

Did someone say J?germeister?

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<DIV class=quotetext>Did someone say J?germeister?
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Hellz, Yeah!

Lots of people tell me I'm a sick little German. But I love the stuff. And J?gerbombs are nice too!

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Funny how when someone comments on my thick skull Nickel perks up and sits proud. He even quotes things "for truth" when its nothing more than another member commenting along the same lines as his thoughts are going. Not true, just common thinking.

But let Fatman, and Brassballs make a valid point in a positive way, and its ignored AGAIN!

I already commented that if you pin Nickels shoulders to the floor, he will never cry "Uncle" He will ignore the comment and move on to a thread that he is free to roam around in.

Crono has valid points about me BUT, apparently un-noticed to himself his words have matured a bit during the past year or so. His replies are more thought out so here again, my "Pet theory" about age is proving itself. Less than a year ago, he never would have gotten anyones attention because of his.... Whats the word I am seeking? .... Youthful vigor?

Nickel, I am "Old and Dumb" You? you're just "Dumb"

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Crono has valid points about me BUT, apparently un-noticed to himself his words have matured a bit during the past year or so. His replies are more thought out so here again, my "Pet theory" about age is proving itself. Less than a year ago, he never would have gotten anyones attention because of his.... Whats the word I am seeking? .... Youthful vigor?

Don't fool yourself into thinking I've some how matured because of this site. The only thing I'm doing differently now than when I first joined is re-reading my posts and editing them before I submit. :razz:

My thinking process is the same. My writing ability is better, simply because I've had to take writing courses as part of my major ... nothing to do with age.

Between now and a year ago the way I post hasn't changed. It may seem that I care less now ... which would be true. But, that doesn't have anything to do with age either.

All I'm saying is, if someone seems to change ... it's not always because of age. In my case, no, I've acted the same way since high school, just learned new things on the way. My attitude has rarely changed.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Pvt.Scythe said:
Did someone say J?germeister?

Hellz, Yeah!

Lots of people tell me I'm a sick little German. But I love the stuff. And J?gerbombs are nice too!

I love that stuff. :razz: Raw or with 1/3 J?germeister 3/4 Battery mix, if I don't want to get drunk too fast. :wink:

I hope that I took the most meaningful thing out of this conversation and didn't miss anything else...

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

What on earth is battery? <span style="color: lightblue;">Apart from a criminal offence :razz:

Is it some kind of soft drink or soft liquor or... ?

</span>

Energy drink, like Red Bull or Ed. I thought it was a multinational product. :sad:

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

"The Battery Energy Drink, launched in January 1997 after years of R&D, became immediately popular in Finland. Battery has already won new friends in more than 25 countries on four different continents. Battery is a Finnish and international brand product whose visual image communicates in all languages and in all countries; Battery?s distinctive packaging sets it apart in Finland and everywhere else. The message is clear and simple: this can is loaded with energy!"

Years of R&D... I have to try.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Nickelplate</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

PS. I can't stress enough that debates and expressions of opinions are NOT contests, pissing or otherwise. Nobody needs to "win." No matter what some folks here may think. But hey, if you REALLY need to win something, go ahead.

</DIV></DIV>

You ever wonder that perhaps the reason you do have so much trouble with so many people online is because of this false assumption you have that no one ever wins/loses?
Don't kid yourself. There are more than me you have issues with. Perhaps on a much smaller scale, but you brought that all upon yourself when you called me "Mean" and a "Terrorist"

No one uses those words without some repercussions. :rolleyes:

and finally:

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Nickelplate</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I think we need to "seek first to understand, then to be understood." So orpheus, I want you to explain your WHOLE point to me one more time so I can understand. </DIV></DIV>

The answer in short is "NO!"

This thread didn't actually cover everything but there is more than enough wisdom here that almost anyone can understand it eventually.

So, to put this dog to bed, we will not debate it further until the lightbulb had lit above your head.

hears collective sigh from entire Snarkpit

I am absolutely sure that one day you will understand the point I tried to make. Understanding doesn't mean "I agree" I understand a bunch of things I do not believe in or agree with.

[EDIT] This debate ended here for those who cannot follow debates.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Crono</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>(no offense). </DIV></DIV>

Has it never dawned upon you that there is no way to not take offense whenever someone says not too?
I mean seriously, if its worth saying, why bother diminishing its validity by tacking on "No Offense" as an afterthought?

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Crono</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I think, also, in this community, at least, that not only age has a factor with some members, but, for a fact, membership number does. I'm surprised no one brings mine up ... to be honest. I know there's more newer members here now than the first year I was here, but, I have noticed that until someone can prove that they fit into some niche here almost perfectly there will be some specific point that will rile them out and probably completely piss them off. It seems that with you is Orph's thick head in "debate". </DIV></DIV>

I read, re-read, and just for grins, read it a 3rd time and still this paragraph makes no sense to me. If you could, can you clarify it for me? It almost sounds like you blame my number, for the reason Nickel thinks I have a thick noggin.

BTW, I wanna clarify one point. I am exceedingly open minded. Its just that the topics I am open about either do not come up, or are so volatile that they rarely come up. This site is predominantly school ages young adults. The odds are statistically low that something I find valuable will not be shared by the mainstream Snarkpit member. The reverse is true. Even though I have the highest post count, I do not comment in every thread because many are just to complicated for me. As absurd as it might be, I do not value my own opinion on subjects I know absolutely nothing about. I do hold myself to the same rules as I hold others to.

As far as open minded views: Take capitol punishment. I do not believe that "Accepting" it is open minded, nor do I believe that "Not Accepting" is closed minded. To be truly open minded doesn't mean to always accept things.

Anyway, I am more open minded than anyone seems to think. The only problem is, there are so damned few topics that I can express an open viewpoint around here.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Crono</DIV>
<div class="quotetext">Don't fool yourself into thinking I've some how matured because of this site. The only thing I'm doing differently now than when I first joined is re-reading my posts and editing them before I submit.

My thinking process is the same. My writing ability is better, simply because I've had to take writing courses as part of my major ... nothing to do with age.

Between now and a year ago the way I post hasn't changed. It may seem that I care less now ... which would be true. But, that doesn't have anything to do with age either.

All I'm saying is, if someone seems to change ... it's not always because of age. In my case, no, I've acted the same way since high school, just learned new things on the way. My attitude has rarely changed.

</DIV></DIV>

False modesty is unbecoming Sir. :sad:

Its either that, or you are in serous denial about your present position in life.

Be that as it may, the person who finally exhibits maturity is normally the last to notice.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

so...what exactly was this thread about again?<br style="color: lightblue;">

Nickelplate and DrGlass met somewhere in the middle of nowhere,and began drinking J?germeister, [color=white]whereupon they began seeing hallucinations, the likes of which they had never seen before. Among them was the wise and cryptic Orpheus spectre. Hoping to douse this vision of contradiction, they drank some more, and then began mixing it with European energy drinks. This ultimately led even more hallucinating, much to their chagrin. Then the spectres (most all of whom were consequently snarkpit members) began a lengthy ritual dance of sometimes eloquent, but mostly confusing pageantry. I believe a three day hang over ensued for both. It's a shame they both lost their senses after taking only one picture. The one question remains.... who was holding the camera? :rolleyes: [/color]

....runs away fastly like........

energy drinks and alchohol are a wonderful combination...
let's give drunks the energy to do all of the stupid stuff that comes into their mind

Orpheus said:
Nickel, I am "Old and Dumb" You? you're just "Dumb"

I never said you were old and dumb, In fact I don't think you're that old and not Dumb at all.

I noticed that Gwil liked how the "flame fest" had burned itself out and that it was rare that it does so. It did that because I was mature enough to apologize for my mistakes and to see others' points of view. Now you come back and start the flames all over again. I think the coincidence between the appearance of you and strife is not a coincidence at all. Why did you have to say that to me?

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
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