The latest DM patch

Does anybody have any opinions about the new patch?

The whining going on over at steam forums is awful. Servers are down about 50% and theres people signing off of valve for good.

The only problems I noticed were that the hanging lights on dm_powerhouse are borked. No other noticeable lagging or netcode bugs that I can see. They adjusted some weapons damage and messed with the hit boxes a bit, and apparently added invincibility for spawning.

I kinda like it.

bunny hoppers, speed ballers, grav freaks, crowbar maniacs. All pisssed right now.

I think its ironic that all these people beg for a patch and whine incessantly when they get it.

any thoughts?

What are the contents of this patch?

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

Half-Life 2: Deathmatch

<UL style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px">
[*] Players now respawn with a small amount of invincibility to prevent spawn camping
[*] Weapon bindings can now be configured from the UI
[*] Added a timeleft command
[*] Added a mp_restartgame <time> command
[*] Added a sv_report_client_settings command. If server logging is enabled, setting this server variable to 1 will log the cl_cmdrate command from the client's machine
[*] Fixed an exploit with the shotgun reload
[*] Fixed an exploit with the gravitygun being able to move objects very quickly
[*] Fixed an exploit where certain players could hide and shoot from some objects
[*] Fixed an exploit where players could move around very fast if they suicide with a box on their head
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Awfully quiet around here(cept' fer that gawd thread). This is basically a HL site right?

Fixed an exploit where players could move around very fast if they suicide with a box on their head

Funniest bug ever. "look ma, a box on my head" BLAM WARPING SPEED TIME !

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:: Forceflow.be :: Nuclear Dawn developer

Also, you should check out this video, and subsequent thread at Steam forums.

The video

http://home.arcor.de/j0ly/headis.wmv

the thread

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=450493

Now this guy takes 21 shots at an opponent about 10 yards from himself. Clan guy, very good player(according to him) Not one hit.

Then theres another of him taking a headshot at a guy about 10 feet from him. Blood splatter shows on the guys helmet, 0 damage. I do think that there is something wrong with that.

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I'm happy to see there's any activity at Valve regarding HL2DM. If it's really so terribly broken at least they are forced to spend some more time on it and see that there are people that actually care.

Don't ask me what I think about the patch. Episode 1 install broke my Steam files and now I'd have to dowload 1-2 GB of contend to play again. My flatrate forbids. :sad:

Good thing is it forces me to play some HL1 mods and boy it feels good.

I played the new "patched" HL2DM, and yes the lights are broken (isnt that what play testing is for?).

The shot gun in a word, got "nurfed", I can unload 4 shells into a guy
at close range and he'll still be walkign around. IMO that is complete
and utter bull s^%*.

That movie posted above confirms that weapon damage is f*&$ up.

/my gripes

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I always expect shotgun damage in HL2DM to be like that of HL1DM, where
1 hit can put someone on there back if you have good aim. I'm
going to check out those links and vids right now.

Edit: Video seems to be worth a lot. I don't have any first
hand experience though, since I'm having trouble getting HL2DM to load
up.

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I played DM before the patch and had a good time. If you play to
have fun, you will. I feel that the people who pick apart these
games and "master" them are

• The only people who get pissed off about any kind of change, many of which fix problems
• Ruin online video games, 90% of these people take 100% of the fun out of these kinds of games. I hate them.

That video didn't impress me, bullet lag and network lag can be to blame.<span style="font-weight: bold;">

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Yeah, but the guy isn't suffering from network lag at all (see his net_graph).

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:: Forceflow.be :: Nuclear Dawn developer

Just when I thought I could try playing it again... Valve borks it
more. I don't quite understand all these lag issues with some of the
source mods. For example The Hidden lags like hell even on a 9 player
server while I can play Empires(which has vehicles and buildings on top
of the player data moving about) on a 32 player server with a quite
stable ping(those who played the 1.0 version and then quit would be
surprised how well it works today).

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Dystopia - Empires

I wouldn't mind playing Empires if the damn maps didn't run at 30 fps :razz:

Or at least, that was a map
that I played. I kinda lost hope for it when I noticed that the
entire game was chugging due to the map (or so it appeared).

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

I wouldn't mind playing Empires if the damn maps didn't run at 30 fps :razz:

Or at least, that was a map
that I played. I kinda lost hope for it when I noticed that the
entire game was chugging due to the map (or so it appeared).

I had to drop the visual quality too and such maps as emp_district(a
flag map, dod like gameplay kinda) don't react too well on smoke
grenades(read extreme lag)... :biggrin:

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

I played DM before the patch and had a good time. If you play to
have fun, you will. I feel that the people who pick apart these
games and "master" them are

• The only people who get pissed off about any kind of change, many of which fix problems
• Ruin online video games, 90% of these people take 100% of the fun out of these kinds of games. I hate them.

That video didn't impress me, bullet lag and network lag can be to blame.<span style="font-weight: bold;">

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1) I agree with you there Doc, but this recent patch made the shotgun a
useless weapon. I used to be able to expel 2 shells at meduim range
into a guy and he would be killed, now I have to go through 2 full
reloads (8 rounds) to get the job done, when that shouldne be the case.

2) I hate them too.

If you look at his net_graph he wasnt laging at all.

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yeah I can agree with a sadness for nurfed guns, also noobed out guns (see the Auto-sniper CS 1.6 patch).

Net_graph doesn't always give a clear picture. I don't play much DM, but I do play quite a bit of CS:S and you can have zero's down the line and still "feel" lag. We know nothing about his computer specs (unless we do and I didn't see) plus we don't know what kind of connection, where he and the server were, what kind of lag the person he was shooting at had. etc etc etc.

PLUS, if "guns didn't do damage" then why would they sometimes (hense why the game works AT ALL) do damage. If there was really a problem that wasn't lag/networking based then why doesn't someone open a 1v1 lan and test it out? It could be a hitbox problem, take a look back at CSS a year ago, all those video's about "phantom hitboxes." This could just be a simular problem.

Also, I feel that Valve is trying to get the game to work well on the largest % of user's computers. When someone who has some pathetic problem pisses s**t about Valve being money grubbing ass hats they really turn my crank. If people would work together to find the problems and solutions then Valve could work on fixing said problems. When Valve gets 40,000 e-mails a day saying "WTF I cant hit anythng in HL2DM you hacks!" what CAN they do? A little maturity and understanding will lead to fixes, not some random video of a guy who can't understand the consept of bullet lag in HL2:DM.

Also, I feel that Valve is trying to get the game to work well on the largest % of user's computers. When someone who has some pathetic problem pisses s**t about Valve being money grubbing ass hats they really turn my crank. If people would work together to find the problems and solutions then Valve could work on fixing said problems. When Valve gets 40,000 e-mails a day saying "WTF I cant hit anythng in HL2DM you hacks!" what CAN they do? A little maturity and understanding will lead to fixes, not some random video of a guy who can't understand the consept of bullet lag in HL2:DM.

I agree to some point. I've played quite a bit of HL2DM (before the last patch) without experiencing anything that would distract me from gameplay (a myterious 3 second lag turned out to be a Windows Update problem). At the same time people complained about the game being unplayable because of "all the bugs" which I never saw.

But it's also true that Valve ignored HL2DM completely for almost a year. And HL1DM:S is a good example for why it's a good thing to give Valve a kick in the ass with these kinds of things. Releases with bugs that so obviously could have been avoided by most basic playtesting. It's annoying. It's time someone brings that up in one of their famous Cabal-meetings.

I'm simply pissed at valve for one thing.

They haven't bothered to unlock HDR or the commentary system for HL2. I mean I don't care if they update all their maps with HDR and crap, I just want to map for single player and use those functions!

And so, for our mod, I emailed valve asking for a quick explaination on how to get the features into our mod. That was 2 weeks ago and I still haven't gotten a response. I would have been ok if they sent something back saying they couldn't help, but it really pisses me off to get silence.

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When Valve gets 40,000 e-mails a day saying "WTF I cant hit anythng in HL2DM you hacks!"

They have to get through those first :smile:

I'd say it takes TIME for valve to do some things, but to say they ignored any game? I doubt that, it just easy to say valve doesn't care rather than; valve has a boat load of games that they (I assume) try to keep all up-to-date. Look at any other developers out there, you get 3 large patches... maybe (thats online games, single player maybe get 1 or 2 if any). Valve updated CS retail six times before steam and a number of times after. Their track record is good, so why would they change anything about how much they care?

I think the only thing valve is guilty of may just be spreading themselves too thin. CS, HL2, CSS, DOD:S, HL2:DM, HL1:DM, SDK(for all these games), and a number of other projects (Episode 1,2,3,4,5...). I can't keep up with the sp mod I've been "working" on for the past 2 years...

meh I should be telling (ranting) the dummmys over at steam powered, not you guys.

I think vavle HAS ignored HL2DM (you cant ignore the fact that there
hasnt been a major update in a LONG time), I just wouldnt say that it
is intentional that many people say it is. However I will say that they
have ignored the game because of the gaint mess it is currently in, and
because of the lack of support from the community (It wasnt as big of a
hit as DoD was).

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Players/Servers

Day of Defeat: Source 3,155 1,858
Half-Life 2: Deathmatch 1,301 1,035

HL2DM can compete with large games like DOD:S. Compared to CS everything looks ridiculous but for a little DM addon it has a good amount of players/servers. It would have more players if Valve showed more love for it (release HL2 without DM... wtf?).

And so, for our mod, I emailed valve asking for a quick explaination on how to get the features into our mod. That was 2 weeks ago and I still haven't gotten a response. I would have been ok if they sent something back saying they couldn't help, but it really pisses me off to get silence.

You know, it helps to mail twice... or more. Companies, like humans, have a habit of forgetting to reply to a first mail. Same goes for when you're applying for a job. Ever read Jon Jones' blog? :smile:

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Heh, I've sent that email 3 times already :smile:

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Dark_Kilauea
DVS Administration
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Hmm, then I guess it's time for method 2: mail other Valve team members, in particular programmers. Not that I know who exactly is a Valve programmer and such, but hey. Could help. :smile:

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heh, have to find the email addresses.

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