Stupid Ass Kids..

I was just reading this article on aol that some dumbass kid`s wanted to do Grand Theft auto s**t, so on june 25th they went to the highway and started shooting. Some people died, some got hurt and now they are in juvie..I mean "WTF!"? One kid said he didnt want to hurt anybody...When you take a f00king shotgun and shoot it at cars passing by on the highway, isnt it coming f**king sense that someones going to die?

How come I never heard anything about this?

No idea..

The Full story.

Full Story.
NEW YORK (Sept. 6) - The family of a slain motorist has filed suit against the maker of a video game that two teens claim inspired them to shoot at passing cars on a Tennessee highway.

Grand Theft Auto, a video game that allows players to "fire" on people and cars in realistic, shoot-'em-up fashion, is a cash cow that propelled manufacturer TAKE2interactive to the top of the video game industry. For the middle and high school students who play the game for hours on end, it's a means of escaping the monotony of teenage life.

But for two stepbrothers, 16-year-old William and 14-year-old Joshua Buckner, that escape turned deadly this summer. They told police they were emulating Grand Theft Auto on the night of June 25 when they took shotguns to Interstate 40, near their Newport, Tenn., home, and opened fire on vehicles.

A Bullet Through the Window

The boys told police they did not mean to hit people, but the results were catastrophic.

"I have eight bullet fragments all in my body," said 19-year-old Kimberly Bede, of Moneta, Va., who was hit in the pelvis as she rode in the passenger seat of her boyfriend's car. "The bullet entered my hip and I'm still receiving medical treatment."

Aaron Hamel, a 45-year-old registered nurse from Knoxville, Tenn., traveling in a separate car, was killed.

"We had a beautiful day in the mountains, and we were heading back home to Knoxville," said Hamel's cousin, Denise Deneau on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America Friday.

"We were talking, laughing, listening to music and all of a sudden my cousin told me to look at the beautiful flowers. And as I did that, my glass shattered and I felt heat across my face," she said.

When Deneuau saw the glass and blood she thought she had been shot, but when she realized the car was out of control, she looked at Hamel. "He had a large bullet hole at the side of his head," Deneuau said.

After the car made it across the highway, passing oncoming traffic, it stopped at the guard rail.

Deneuau said she knew her cousin would die quickly from the nature of the injury. "I reassured him that I was OK and that I would take care of his pets and I told him that I loved him," she said.

Family members say the nature of Hamel's death is especially ironic because he had volunteered to work at a Tennessee facility for wayward teens shortly before the shooting.

Teens Plead Guilty, Lawsuit Filed

The teenage shooters, who each pleaded guilty to reckless homicide, aggravated assault and reckless endangerment, will be held at a state juvenile detention center until they turn 19. The law in Tennessee allows them to remain in the custody of the state Department of Children's Services until they are 19, but no longer.

In written statements, the boys expressed remorse for their actions.

"I will always hate myself for what I did. I am so sorry," wrote William Buckner.

"I didn't want to hurt anyone," wrote Joshua Buckner. "This will be with me the rest of my life."

The Hamel family hired attorney Jack Thompson and filed suit Thursday against TAKE2interactive, the video game maker. Thompson says it's time to send a message to the video game makers.

"We want to send a message with a huge verdict to Sony and TAKE2interactive and the entire video game industry that if they're going to continue to market adult-rated games to children with these horrific consequence, then we're going to take their blood money from them and send a message to their boards that they have to stop this practice or there will be other suits on behalf of other people, killed by these games," Thompson said.

TAKE2interactive declined to comment to Good Morning America about the incident.

Are Parents the Gatekeepers?

It's not the first time the game Grand Theft Auto has been linked to bouts of real-life violence.

A gang of teenagers in California, charged with plotting carjackings and murder, say their actions were inspired by playing Grand Theft Auto, morning, noon, and night.

In Oakland, Calif., a group of young people who called themselves the "Nut Cases" told police they played violent video games before going out and robbing and killing random victims on the street. They said their favorite was Grand Theft Auto. The five men and one woman are facing charges in dozens of robberies and five killings that took place in 2002 and early 2003.

The Entertainment Software Association, which represents the video game industry, pointed to research showing that youth crime has gone down even as video games have proliferated. The games are rated for violence, and ultimately, parents make the decisions about what games they bring into their homes, the association said in a statement.

"Parents are present at and involved in the purchase or rental of games 83 percent of the time, according to a September 2000 Federal Trade Commission report," the association said.

Family members of those killed in video game-related shooting sprees say it is time to take Grand Theft Auto off the market, before more lives are lost.

Bede, who says she will never fully recover from the incident that left bullet fragments in her body, isn't satisfied with the sentence the Buckner boys received. "I really don't think they got what they deserve," she said.

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on one hand, I think directly blaming games, music, and anything other than the parents and society for violence like this is a cop out.

on the other hand, the GTA games sound pretty sick to me just from what I have heard.

no, gta is not THAT bad...I mean, not bad enough to make you want to go shoot a shotgun at cars on the bridge...What kind of f**king idiots were these kids?

Kid 1:DUHH GTA IS FUN!! YEP YEP LETS GO PLAY REAL LIFE GTA!

Kid 2:)POOKOKOKOK!!! WE`LL USE THESE SHOTGUNS, NO ONE WILL GET HURT!!!

its a problem but if a kid cannot understand a game is a game they have something wrong imo.

Anyone heard the idea behind XIII ? t'was that if it looked cartoony/cell shaded but still kept the extreme action/gore in it kids wouldnt take it seriously. I think itd work, problem is some of us (myself) want realistic looking shooters.

problem is some of us (myself) want realistic looking shooters.

I think there are enough Counter-Strike and Rainbow six clones out in the world today =/..

The thing that pisses me off most is that these kids are not allowed to be tried as adults. They'd be facing a real penalty and a whole HELL of a lot of jail time if they weren't so inconvenientally aged. Let em sit in juvie til they turn nineteen and then stick em in the real slammer for another fifty years I say.

Sick, sick, sick.

CCS, if you want to put somthing in jail, it should be the parents.

Those kids are a bit old for it, but children in general do not differentiate between reality and fiction the way adluts do. at this point, they have to be segrigated from society, but an insane asylum or some sort of counseling center would be more apropriate.

The very concept of GTA is disgusting. I've never played it, only watched other people, but I find it skickening. That said, though I also think It's silly to ban violent games. it's the parents job to raise their kids in a respoceible fassion.

what about the usual rating stuff for games? isn't gta pretty, well, 'adult' for these kids to be playing it? weren't the parents paying any attention to what their kids were playing? I swear you shouldn't be allowed to have kids without passing a test to show if you are fit. :rolleyes:

of course, we live in a country that shows horrific violence on the news all the time, so blame CNN, and George W. Bush for giving them so much violence to show us.

If a 16 year old is old enough to drive a car, I sure as hell hope he can differentiate fact and fiction. Maybe you have a point for the younger one, but I think many of our ages of social responsibility are unnecessarily high.

Think about what these people did, they went to a freeway and OPENED FIRE on passing cars. That's f**king wrong, and there's no reason a 16 year old and a 14 year old shouldn't know this. Also, they did not just fire once. They fired at the cars and CONTINUED FIRING after people started getting hit. Honestly, does three years in juvenile hall really make any sense as a punishment?

I would not be against charges being brought up against their parents/guardians as well, but only in addition to, not instead of the kids.

Thats absolutely sick, too much video games eh.

 

go's and deletes GTA of HD

Why would anyone in their right mind want to do that?

You make a good point Jinx.  The parents probably had no idea what their kids were doing.  In todays society it is easier to sue some maker of  music or games than to actually take responsibility for your own actions.  

topics like this, should be avoided unless one is truly ready for the responces..

mine, are along CCS's, but a bit harsher..

decisions = consequences IMO

harsh outcomes = harsh punishments

if parents cannot teach children these two fundamental things, the parents should share in the punishments..

thats about all i should say, cause i could go off on a tangent here not many would like :sad:

for the record, my youngest son (now 16) plays all the car games, i don't particularly like them, but there is no way that someone could confuse them with reality.. hitman was far more realistic, and it still was cartoonish IMO.. anyways.. i have seen the games, the concept of an RPG round impacting with the body in HL is about equal IMO..

/nuff said

I think, like Kornflakes said, that you have to be pretty tapped in the first place to try and re-enact GTA or any other violent game - most of the hundreds of of kids at school played it and I am yet to see any direct portrayal of its violence through them.

It's easier to blame videogames than it is to blame imperfections in a human or their parents..

bottom line, any kid who would do these acts, would do them no matter.. the game is not the catalyst, just the excuse..

believe it or not, i was more/less carded the other day when i purchased the movie "erin brockavich" crowd gasps yes i know, but i couldn't get this great movie thru kazaa :sad:

anyways, the government bullshit about under17 s**t is for the birds, it never prevented me from getting what i wanted, not is it for my children, i will decide what is appropriate viewing, and i alone..

The point is this guys:

After your done playing Wolfenstien:Enemy Territory, do you have the sudden urge to fight nazi`s in a forest of snow?

After playing Half-Life, do you want to pick up a crowbar and whack innocent bystanders?

After playing BF:1942, do you want to RENT a bomber and bomb half of the country?

No...Well, maybe hitting innocent bystanders would be fun..But thats not the point, the point is:

THESE KIDS ARE f**kING IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!

I now end my statement.

I think we all pretty well agree with you. my only difference  is that I don't think these kids were particularly insane. I've seen any number of kids (normaly yunger than 12) who have very little grasp of reality. they've all had dumbass parents.

if my kids ever, ever pulled some s**t like that, f**k it...i'll kill em myself....

Doc B

Guess what, asshole parents of a bunch of fucked-up kids, and your lawyer too: it's time to

"We want to send a message with a huge verdict to Sony and TAKE2interactive and the entire video game industry

SHUT. What the hell should you know about the gaming industry?

 that if they're going to continue to market adult-rated games to children with these horrific consequence,

THE. Emotions encourage behavior in the stupid, not in the strong.

 then we're going to take their blood money from them and send a message to their boards that they have to

FUCK. Blood money? I thought that you were the one making thousands of dollars off suing innocent people for the sake of murderers.

 stop this practice or there will be other suits on behalf of other people, killed by these games," Thompson said.

UP. I am absolutely sick of people who have never played or seen a game in their life pronouncing instant judgement on it because bad things occur as a result. Morons who shouldn't be allowed to play games are the ones who kill. There are millions upon millions who have spent their entire lives seeing artificial death and never even thought of killing someone, and I'm one of them.

rofl, its so pathetic tbh. Games keep more kids OFF the street than they do make them go out and kill people.

Its a s**tty excuse but for such a small sentance it worked for them.

I play GTA plenty of hours a day, racing around and having a fun time in a virtual reality world, right along with my senseless murder of innocent marines on Natural Selection, and my bullet time slaying of The Specialists; and not one time have i wanted to do it in real life.

stupid parents + violent games + stupid kids + lack of common sense + guns(ammo) = murder/harm

This is the case about 99.9% of the time IMO.

99.9%??

 

What about the other .1%!!!?

are they forgetting something...I mean normal 14 and 16 years don't have shotguns. Right there says something about your society. Often I think that America plays with fire and wonders why it gets burnt every now and then.

Gorbachev said:
are they forgetting something...I mean normal 14 and 16 years don't have shotguns. Right there says something about your society. Often I think that America plays with fire and wonders why it gets burnt every now and then.

true, true

if it's games that make the kids do stupid s**t, why don't you ever hear of tfc players blowing themselves up while trying to launch themselves over high buildings using pipe bombs? ............eh?

I live in america, and i agree...The stupidity rate climbs everyday here, and people wonder why?

I am probally one of the reasons, but there are people 100x stupider than me..Yes, its hard to believe

 

People today are just trying to find ways to ban all video games that have explict or mature content, because they see video games as a waste of time...I think video games actually decrease the suicide rate in teens because if not for video games, where would depressed people stick all of there time?

<Rin> 65 peolpe killed in Canada by guns last year
<Rin> 63 in UK
<Rin> 64 in Australia
<Rin> 11,456 in USA
<Ram> we win!

lol...

 

I think the world is getting to the point when having a child needs to be authorized by the government, too many on the streets or with hideously stupid parents...

DesPlesda said:
<Rin> 65 peolpe killed in Canada by guns last year
<Rin> 63 in UK
<Rin> 64 in Australia
<Rin> 11,456 in USA
<Ram> we win!

if i see another stupid statistic like this crap i am going to scream.. what i wanna see is the comparative analysis of what the people in the other countries turned to in lieu of the gun as a means of ending lives with..

if people are so prone to kill with guns, they will kill without them..

now damnit, stats like this, are generated by the same stupid people, who claim video games cause crime..

anyone who buys into lop sided stats like this, are no smarter than the stupid people who believe the games are the issue..

if people kill because of guns, people will kill without them as well... and you are foolish if you don't realize it..

Orph...it's a lot easier to kill with a gun than bare hands. With a gun it can almost be an "oops" moment. To kill someone otherwise with pure physical force would be viciously brutal and take more than an instant. It's not quite the same.

Yer I agree with Gorby. Guns are so easy to kill with, point and pull, done. And no mark is left at the crime scene apart from a bullet, something there are so many of.

Gorbachev said:
Orph...it's a lot easier to kill with a gun than bare hands. With a gun it can almost be an "oops" moment. To kill someone otherwise with pure physical force would be viciously brutal and take more than an instant. It's not quite the same.

spoken like a true conformist :rolleyes:

try replacing every word gun with video game.. it has the same message .. geeze you guys, your simplistic viewpoint really chaps my ass..

i will grant you, the killing power of a gun is more than say a knife or even a club, but s**t guys, once you are dead, who gives a f**k how it happen and better yet "WITH WHAT"..

its true, i could kill you just as dead with my hands, and if i felt you deserved it, would feel the same either way.. but i am telling you this straight up.. people who are prone to kill, will kill and the weapon wont matter one damned bit..

please get off the gun kick, its stupid, and its embarrassing to associate with people whom think thus..

if you feel guns are the real culprit here, you ARE just as stupid as the ones blaming games...

If everyone drove yugo's we'd have a whole lot less speed tickets...

Cash Car Star said:
If everyone drove yugo's we'd have a whole lot less speed tickets...

  you aint seen one go off a hill yet have you :smile:

they go pretty fast when the motor dies on the down side

Myrk- said:
Yer I agree with Gorby. Guns are so easy to kill with, point and pull, done. And no mark is left at the crime scene apart from a bullet, something there are so many of.

Um.. guns leave allot of evidence. the bullet is unique to the barrel that fired it, as are shell caseings to a lesser extent. plus there's powder residue if your close enough... ect.

-Orph, it's totaly fruitless argueing this point with anyone from UK/Canada, or really, any other devloped country. we americans are pretty eccentric internationaly where this topic is concerned.

Tracer Bullet said:
-Orph, it's totaly fruitless argueing this point with anyone from UK/Canada, or really, any other devloped country. we americans are pretty eccentric internationaly where this topic is concerned.

yeah, but i am so tired of the selectiveness of their narrow views..

how can anyone say games don't cause violence, but guns do?

anyways.. until someone open minded enuff to at least admit they are similar i bow out of any further posts on the subject..

stupid people make me itch ..

/me smells matchead burning..... 259 posts...259 posts...one day at a time..../rubs chip

:biggrin:

Doc B... :dodgy:

I'm not being selective in those views...give me good examples and show me what you mean. I understand that you could kill with any weapon, but a gun is such an easy to use weapon...it doesn't take much. I'm not blaming the gun...I think you read me wrong. But I'm blaming stupid kids...they're so lazy that if there was no easy access to guns there would for sure be a drop in violence. I'm not against guns, but I'm not for retards getting ahold of them, that's just being irresponsible.

What you said Orph, about if people WANT to kill, they WILL, explains a large portion of the Murders in the US i would think, but (Sorry another stat for you!) I asked a friend of mine who is apoliceman, in fact he was the best man at my wedding, so I know I can trust this, If he would like a gun he said no because he looked into it and found the figure that 40% of police deaths by shooting is caused by friendly fire.

On another note pertaining to Statistics, perhaps a better comparison would be to look at the whole of Europes shooting figures compared to Americas as Much like the Europe, each state has different laws, punishments and guidelines concerning fire-arms. Just to compare Britain to USA is unfair, a better comparison would be to compare the UK to a state in the US with similar laws. I think then you would see a comletely different comparison.

 

and besides 90% of statistics are made up anyhoo!

Gav said:
and besides 90% of statistics are made up anyhoo!

Such as that one :razz:

Gorbachev said:
I'm not being selective in those views...give me good examples and show me what you mean.

how about right here at snarkpit for starters.. read this thread, post by post, the tension level increased preceptively with each one concerning the gaming industry being accused for the way children are turning out, but when someone switched it over to guns doing exactly the same thing, almost everyone swapped hats and joined the very group that they despised PRIOR to anyone mentioning guns..

it cannot be denied, guns are capable of killing, because honestly, they have very few other uses, i wont deny that point, but to blame them?? thats so stupid it goes beyond words.. [edited 'cause CCS cant seem to locate things otherwise :biggrin: ]

there are to many cases where psycho's have went on rampages and their weapon of choice was their dicks, or another chose a knife, yet another chose water.. in any of those cases could someone make an argument that if they had the ability to remove the object of their obsession from their lives it would have removed the threat??

now at least for my part, i am attempting to remain open minded, i can at least see guns as the object of choice to kill with, but not because the gun enticed them, but that these people are cowards at heart, i don't care if they are 100 pound pansies, or 300 pound gorillas, the fact remains that on some level they are cowardly and use a method to kill that distances themselves from harm.

lastly my dear Gav hit on an interesting theory.. gun violations as a killing source prolly goes up dramatically in regions of the US where population densities are extraordinarily high.. arkansas most likely has 95% of all households with a gun of some sort, but prolly only .001% of all the statistically reportable gun homicides, but new york city might have 50% of all households with a fire arm and 50% of all reportable homicides.. i don't know where, or how these stats are generated you all keep posting, but they are NOT reflective of the US as a whole.. not when about 95% of all those numbers are generated in regions that make up less than 1% of the surface area of the USA.. big cities by their very nature create big problems, among them gun issues...

anyways, till someone level headed can talk without throwing stat charts around as if the actually meant something comes along, this topic about guns is effectively another dead horse, if your only proof that you base your whole outlook comes from a statistical chart, you are a very poor example of a good thinking and responcible forum poster..

/end topic

I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why guns are good, besides simply that I am a close minded city-person.

Saying 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' is all well and good, but what reasons are there for their existence.

Insulting the other side of an argument by calling them close minded at every opportunity unfortantely only makes people believe you don't have a very strong case.

Cash Car Star said:
I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why guns are good, besides simply that I am a close minded city-person.

I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why sodomy is good, besides simply that I am a close minded straight-person.

see how stupid your question can be??

you cannot expect answers to a question that has so many answers, you have to at least have a working basis for comparison, since i feel so strongly negative towards gays, and you obviously feel just as strongly about guns, how could we possibly communicate in a way to make it comprehensable..

your question is invalid till you pick a neutral atmosphere..

sorry CCS, i am not arguing, just pointing out my belief..

[edit] it also might have helped if you had read my last post, it was quite comprehensive, and open minded, it not only explained my reasoning, but the opposing side as well.. i did at least address the issue from both sides..

shame on you :sad: [/edit]

/rubbing the chip....rubbing the chip..../me locates fire extinguisher....../rubbing the chip....rubbing the chip....

Dr Brasso... :dodgy:

Orpheus said:

Cash Car Star said:
I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why guns are good, besides simply that I am a close minded city-person.

I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why sodomy is good, besides simply that I am a close minded straight-person.

see how stupid your question can be??

you cannot expect answers to a question that has so many answers, you have to at least have a working basis for comparison, since i feel so strongly negative towards gays, and you obviously feel just as strongly about guns, how could we possibly communicate in a way to make it comprehensable..

your question is invalid till you pick a neutral atmosphere..

sorry CCS, i am not arguing, just pointing out my belief..

I wasn't asking rhetorically, I really wanted to hear some answers. It's just your posts seem to do little but just make the other side of the argument just feel stupid, and that's not really the way to go about discussing these sort of things I feel.

Just pulling in another issue as a defense is a big big cop out. I will not respond to it, and I suggest others do the same.

[edit in response to your edit] Your post above mine only listed stats that you believe shows guns are not responsible for violence. It does nothing to point out how the objects have a place in society. [/edit]

Dr Brasso said:
/rubbing the chip....rubbing the chip..../me locates fire extinguisher....../rubbing the chip....rubbing the chip....

Dr Brasso... :dodgy:

doc, you're not helping .... much :heee:

this could end well, despite the obvious trend to do otherwise.. it remains to be seen "if" the anti-atmosphere can see beyond it own self..

if you seen a news clip on cnn, showing afgan or iraqi schools that had been supplied with ps2's, and custom games of 'suicide bomber', or such like.

the state spokesperson says 'this is only a harmless game, for all for the kiddies to play and enjoy, without them actually doing it for real. we tell them that doing it for real would be a very bad thing'

how many people here would say,'yes, harmless fun, wont influence the kiddies at all.'

Cash Car Star said:

Orpheus said:

Cash Car Star said:
I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why guns are good, besides simply that I am a close minded city-person.

I would like to hear a few good reasons as to why sodomy is good, besides simply that I am a close minded straight-person.

see how stupid your question can be??

you cannot expect answers to a question that has so many answers, you have to at least have a working basis for comparison, since i feel so strongly negative towards gays, and you obviously feel just as strongly about guns, how could we possibly communicate in a way to make it comprehensable..

your question is invalid till you pick a neutral atmosphere..

sorry CCS, i am not arguing, just pointing out my belief..

I wasn't asking rhetorically, I really wanted to hear some answers. It's just your posts seem to do little but just make the other side of the argument just feel stupid, and that's not really the way to go about discussing these sort of things I feel.

no its not, unless stupid is exactly what it is, if these supposed stats are reflective of inner city issues, it cannot be expected to be reflective of the US as a whole..

Just pulling in another issue as a defense is a big big cop out. I will not respond to it, and I suggest others do the same.

i was 100% serious, the comparison is valid, it goes to show that not all questions deserve an answer, it by no means classifies it as a "cop out"

[edit in response to your edit] Your post above mine only listed stats that you believe shows guns are not responsible for violence. It does nothing to point out how the objects have a place in society. [/edit]

it shows that i at least can see the other side of this, i for one have not one single gun in my house, but do not believe it is due to anything in respect to "blaming" them.. i just don't own one.. i hunt game every year, and have kin that have all the weaponry i desire, i just have no reason to own one.

your arguement, is equal to mine, not better, nor worse..

For the record, I have never stated at all that I was anti-gun. "Your argument is just as good as mine" I take to be complete bullshit because I know I haven't made a comment either way on the issue (besides a throw-away yugo gag). I've only asked you to start putting down some reasons. You finally did in that last post: hunting game.

Surprise, surprise, I'm not anti-gun. I'm against private ownership of automatic weaponry, but reasons for private ownership of guns:

• Some people like to hunt game
• Some people enjoy recreational shooting such as at a firing range or skeet shooting
• Some people live in an area where they need firearms to protect their property and their own well-being
• Some people own livestock and need the firearms to kill/scare off predators

Already I have made more points than you have in the past three pages of posts. And that really was my point.