Taser

Have any of you ever been tased?

My class just got tased today, and Wow!

I haven't been tased. What's it like?

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Aaron's Stuff

Well they hook some of us up from ankle to shoulder.. I was the first.

You loose all motor control, you feel as if your body is at the same time vibrating in every direction at super sonic speeds, while being compressed. Then it feels like your being set on fire while a billion needles are stuck in every pour on your body.

I have what they call the TASER TATTOO, it is something I hope to never have to do again.. lets put it this way.. as much as I may dislike some on this forum, I would not wish it to happen to them ever.

Sounds brutal. So they don't shoot it at you then? Either way that is good that you wouldn't wish it on some asshats, it shows you have the integrity necessary to be a cop serving in one of America's toughest citys.

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Just Kidding

Just Kidding

Thanks Flynn.. Yeah, from my understanding they no longer shoot the taser into officers, any longer. You get a much better jolt from the hook up than you do from the two barbs hitting you. I have a barb I collected from my shooting of the taser at a metal target, its nasty!

We had the option of going from ankle to hip, or from ankle to shoulder... also known as bragging rights. I was the first guy to go for bragging rights.. just proves what an idiot I really am, lol. I am glad however that I had that experience, I hope to never ever have to do it again.

Today my whole body feels like I had a 3 hour gym work out with soreness.

Muhnay said:
. as much as I may dislike some on this forum.

The irony is that you haven't even noticed that since you stopped attacking members that the arguments over stupid postings has ended. Although, I doubt that you'll be able to refrain for long.

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You and the Airplane dude are the only ones attacking anyone here, just like the post above is a tactic to try to drive me into another confrontation with you. Your not fooling anyone, why don't you just let it go already and grow the hell up Orph. Stop being the antagonist. Sheesh man.. really.

From now on my only reply to your angst will be this:

Muhnay said:
You and the Airplane dude

See, you did it again.

This is a public forum. WE ARE ALL ALLOWED TO COMMENT FREELY!!! (Not attack freely but comment!!!)

This includes even you. However it is NOT OUR OBLIGATION to overlook your idiosyncrasies.

We can of course do so, but you cannot demand we do so.

All I have done today was point out how peaceful it was. That's about as benign as I can be.

Post your smiley faces all you like, but if you do some more peculiar things we can and probably will notice them.

Get mad if you like. I'd prefer you got smart though. The post counts are so low that sadly YOU BECOME THE HIGH POINT.

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Blah blah blah..

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM, It has an owner and he allows you to post here, that is all. The Owner could if he so wished ban you, mute you, or restrict you or myself in anyway he chooses, but I doubt he would do that, it would ruin his entertainment and require a backbone.

Orph is incorrect in one aspect. It is not a public forum ... however ... it's just semantics, because it is an OPEN forum. Which means everything he said about people being free to comment how they see fit still applies.

It doesn't have to be publicly controlled or unmoderated for this to be an open community. Being an open community also means everyone here can influences what happens on the site and how it will evolve. Even if "ownership" (which is what you're arguing) comes down to one person, or a panel of people.

Even in the sense of "public" property 'the people' do not actually own it ... the city does. And the city can choose, without the communities consent, what they do with it. The argument of what is and isn't public and how you define that is very silly as a result (Not to mention, even if there is an avenue for "the public" to cease this sort of behavior, it's rarely possible in reality and only stands as a conceptual idea of being "public").

So, please stop arguing semantics. Orph, call it open, not public.

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Crono said:
Being an open community also means everyone here can influences what happens on the site

Yes, but it isn't always in positive ways.

[Riven will get the reference here]

Anyways, this thread is about being tasered, we should probably stay on that topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hhR8Xmw760

Neat segment from Time Warp.

Locally they tend to be a little heavy (and quick to use) taser ... multiple people have died from it.

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Ouch.

That shotgun taser just looks nasty.

Since I'm so passive and without a backbone, hopefully I'll never have to get tased.

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I think you do a good job Riven

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Just Kidding

Just Kidding

I never said he didn't do a good job, I just think he is trying out for public office, and does not want to upset his voter base. But that is another topic all together.

Naw Riven, I doubt it... a victim of crime I think maybe, yes. Now if the criminal has a taser then yeah.. or if your out protesting in a group for strength and security then maybe you'll need to fear this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpZRAYp926Q

Oh and no one has ever died from a taser shot.. find me case law that says otherwise.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/102232009.html

http://www.katu.com/news/local/101905503.html

I don't know exactly where I'm suppose to find case files on the matter, though. But the first one ... the guy was tased and immediately stopped breathing and could not be resuscitated, thus was killed.

Considering you have no idea what the physical or health conditions of the suspect are or how their organs will react to an introduced electrical charge ... it's perfectly possible there could be an undesired effect of stopping the heart or cease certain brain activities ... like controlling the lungs ... Just because it's not the NORMAL voltage/current level on most tested humans ... doesn't mean it can't happen in the real world. This is what confidence intervals are for.

I don't think Riven is really allowing anything and everything to happen ... his stance is perfectly reasonable ... not much has really happened that would warrant moderation. I'm sure if there was legitimate trolling it'd be a different situation entirely ... It'd be nice if you stopped being such a dick about his attitude of indifference to your squabbling and simply get over your knotted panties.

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In high school chemistry class the teacher hooked us up to a static generator, and had the class form a giant circle by holding hands, then sent a current through the entire class. I don't think its on the same level as being tasered, but it felt like there were little firecrackers going off in my wrists, and it made all my muscles tense up.

I've had pepper spray rubbed in my eyes before though. Not a pleasant experience to say the least.

omegaslayer said:
Not a pleasant experience to say the least.

I'm not sure if i can TRUELY say 'Better then getting tased' or not...

Muhnay said:
Oh and no one has ever died from a taser shot.. find me case law that says otherwise.

Come on dude, people have all sorts of medical conditions and die all the time for stuff way less dangerous than a taser. Of course some people have been killed by it. Here, this took all of 10 seconds to find on google:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues#Deaths_and_injuries_related_to_Taser_use

Just read a few articles about some people who died from the taser. Someone even got hit by it 5 times in a row. What a painful death

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I happen to like my knotted panties... they give me an excuse to be a dick, what is yours? -See, just me being a dick again.

If they have a medical condition, then that would be what killed them not the Taser. All I can say is from the class given by taser, they told us there is only one current case that is pending that accuses Taser of killing anyone. And since the case has not yet been decided, as of this posting Taser has killed no one, according to Taser and case law. Now Taser could be blowing smoke up our collective asses.. it would not be the first time a corp. has done so.

MAZE from your link: "It is still unclear whether the Taser was directly responsible for the cause of death"

therefore my statement stands...

If someone dies after a Taser is used on them because they have a weak heart ... it's still the Tasering that killed them! The condition just made it possible. The reason why is very simple, they wouldn't have died at that specific moment, most likely, if they had not been Tasered.

That's like saying, smoking didn't give you lung cancer your susceptibility to smoke inhalation did.

RIDICULOUS.

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Yeah I don't wanna fuel the fire but it's defiantly wrong to say "the taser didn't kill them their condition did". I suppose it's a bit of a dilemma though. The taser being a more diplomatic alternative to the gun vs the minority of people who have conditions the taser will set off possibly causing death.

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Aaron's Stuff

Don't shoot the messenger... thats the company line, even on the WIKI.. get mad at them not me.

No what killed them is the condition, could of been the stress, the fight, the run they did, what ever prior to being tased. Innocent people don't just get tased by cops for the fun of it... you have to warrant such action.

Also stop trying to compare totally unrelated items and then make them similar when they are not.. your smarter than that and don't have to resort to such tactics to win your argument.

By the way the TASER does not effect the heart... according to taser.

Crono said:
If someone dies after a Taser is used on them because they have a weak heart ... it's still the Tasering that killed them! The condition just made it possible. The reason why is very simple, they wouldn't have died at that specific moment, most likely, if they had not been Tasered.

That's like saying, smoking didn't give you lung cancer your susceptibility to smoke inhalation did.

RIDICULOUS.

In your original post on the matter you said "Oh and no one has ever died from a taser shot.. find me case law that says otherwise.". You took what they said and regurgitated it as fact. Only later did you mention it was what they told you. You then, in fallowing post, basically said that they probably have cause a few deaths. Despite that, because of the company legal stand point (A standpoint purely for the benefit of the company) you said your original statement stands. A argument based on semantics... again. What i see is a person who is incapable of accepting the fact they might have been wrong. A person who finds it extremely difficult if not imposable to accept any humility. The fact that your going to be a cop scares me. Though it doesn't surprise me.

"Innocent people don't just get tased by cops for the fun of it..."

Yes they do. It happens all the time.

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Reality has become a commodity.

I never said They caused any deaths.. redwood I don't care. I do stand by the statement that no one has died from a Taser, it is the company line.. there is no case law that says that a person has died from being tased. So therefore my original statement holds true. even the Wiki someone used proves that.. just because you claim there has does mean there has, just because I say there hasn't does not mean there hasn't.. you're problem is you want to make this a you versus me thing.. you want to make it personal.. all I am, saying is what I learned in school.. if that is wrong then prove that info wrong. You can claim semantics all you like, seems that is your weak ass argument for everything. So please if you can prove the company wrong do, so, and then sue them to put what you think the truth is out there in classes like mine..

Prove it..

(NOTE- the Burden of proof does not lie with me, I am not making the accusations. You are.. so prove it.)

Ok, here
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/22/taser.death/index.html

Perhaps the most telling line,
"Curry [police spokesman] said Pikes told officers he suffered from asthma and had been using PCP and crack cocaine. But Williams [doctor who examined the body] said he found no sign of drug use in the autopsy, and no record of asthma in Pikes' medical history."

The coroner, the new york city medical examiner, and another nationally renowned forensic pathologist all did investigations say the same thing - the taser killed him. The police officer and taser corporation say it didn't. Who are you going to believe...

Muhnay said:
I never said They caused any deaths.. redwood I don't care.

How alarming.

Shouldn't you!?

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I'm not trying to make this a "me vs you thing". I wasn't even entering the debate. I made a statement at you. Iv learned not to enter debates with people of your personalty type.
I pity your family and the citizens of TX that are not extreme right wingers and or bible thumpers.

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Reality has become a commodity.

Hah, wow; I'm not surprised something like that happened in WINNFIELD, Louisiana as the article states.

I drive through there whenever I move to school. Winnfield is a pretty small town and the cops there get pretty board often. It's just 30 minutes from where I attend university.

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Back to topic with a relevant comment -> Personally I'm glad tasers are in use. A gun-shot to the body has a higher chance of killing someone than a taser does. Even taken on the individual basis that someone dies from a taser because of heart conditions, they would have surely died from a gunshot anywhere from the shock it causes.

Back to side topic -> I don't think anyones dis-owning the use of tasers Munhay, I think they're trying to point out that people have died from taser usage, and its not the 100% angelic tool that the police system/taser company make it out to be.

RedWood said:
I pity your family and the citizens of TX that are not extreme right wingers and or bible thumpers.

Hey no need to make this personal. I'm sure that Muhnay is a good person in real life, he just has a disagreement over the facts about tasers.

omegaslayer said:
Back to topic with a relevant comment -> Personally I'm glad tasers are in use. A gun-shot to the body has a higher chance of killing someone than a taser does. Even taken on the individual basis that someone dies from a taser because of heart conditions, they would have surely died from a gunshot anywhere from the shock it causes.

Yeah when tasers are used instead of guns that's great. However the problem is when they are used as an "I don't like you so here is some pain" device.

I'm sure he's a decent enough guy. I just I would never have someone of that personalty type work in law enforcement. "I am the law!"

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aaron_da_killa said:
Yeah I don't wanna fuel the fire but it's defiantly wrong to say "the taser didn't kill them their condition did".

What bothers me more than anything is when people/members feel the necessity to begin comments in this way. Money has made it so uncomfortable for members to reply to things that they feel berated before they have even hit the REPLY button.

The fact that he almost always posts either stupidly, or stupid period not with standing, why does he force people to take the apologetic stance to reply to anything he posts?

Whether this is "OPEN" or "PUBLIC" isn't nearly as important as the ability to feel like you may say anything you wish. (within reason of course.. EVERYONE has the right to disagree/agree without the need to feel like you're supposed to say you're sorry in advance.)

As for trolling... With so small a reply base, the options for replying are somewhat limited to say the least. The fact that Money has said no less than a dozen stupid things in this one thread is amazing, but well within his character/personality so that IMO is not trolling, just a bunch of "noticing" that he is doing it.

IMO, his comments about Riven, were totally uncalled for and some serious thought as to an apology is in order.

As for being shocked, IT FUCKING HURTS. /nuff said.

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My favorite taser related media was in this episode of Mythbusters. They used a myth that began on CSI.

But they showed that, with enough pepper spray then using a taser you can actually light the person on fire! Of course, the amount of pepper spray is ridiculous, but it was pretty cool to see, none the less.

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Crono said:
My favorite taser related media was in this episode of Mythbusters. They used a myth that began on CSI.

But they showed that, with enough pepper spray then using a taser you can actually light the person on fire! Of course, the amount of pepper spray is ridiculous, but it was pretty cool to see, none the less.

That youtube link is missing a letter if I'm not mistaken

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