MoH and CoD screwups!

I just recently started mapping for MoHAA, and something strange happened. No signs of any problems before this, btw. I'd compiled a map (I'd already done a test box and it worked), copied it to MoHAA/main/maps/DM and tried starting mohaa. Then, when the game was loading (grey screen), it crashed! I got the "send the error to Microsoft?" error message. Since then, I havent been able to start MoH, or play CoD (cod does this after about a minute of actual gameplay).

Anyone know what is happening? HL and BF42 run fine still.

Have you already removed that file ?

System rollback ?

update your drivers.

es teh drivurs

I'm not sure bout drivers, the games both ran fine until I tried MoH editing. Still, I havent touched the drivers since I got the card, so I suppose that couldnt hurt.

Also, hammer has been crashing now (moreso than usual). Today it crashed when I tried 1) dragging a box (both selection and brush creation) and 2) when trying to align textures. Rebooting didnt help either.

es teh computar

Format solves all problems :rolleyes:

Mebbe... but then I would need to back up my stuff... last time it took more than 10 CDs...

lol format your computer because a game doesn't work? That's the worst PC advice I've ever heard

I think the smiley gives away the sarcasm

[EDIT]I shall read the whole topic before posting. Silly me.

Shouldve guessed the sarcasm... Im taking things too seriously today.

Maybe itll all work out tomorrow.

http://www.omegacorner.com/

Just update your drivers.

Leperous said:
lol format your computer because a game doesn't work? That's the worst PC advice I've ever heard

can be, but i have found it is the least nerve wracking at times..

there are just cases where driver conflicts are un known and cause games to crash, something you installed a year ago, could be causing havoc in a game now..

it takes me about 15-30 minutes to reformat, 1 hour to update the pc back to current, and i have a clean slate to work with.

since my computer is 100% a gaming machine.. everything i own is on disk and i prefer a clean/reformatted pc ALL THE TIME.

i am inclined personally.. to do so on a whim, and might format 5 times annually.

my advice is, do not do so unless its no alternative.. many people are not like me and use their comps as gaming exclusive machines.. you will lose something in the process...

Updated the drivers, didnt fix it.

Whenever my computer boots up now (this happened with the old drivers too), it gives a message: "Your computer has just recovered from a serious error".

Format would take about a day, and more blank CDs than I have available.

Reinstall windows without formatting. It fixes lots of problems and no files are deleted.

I'll see if that works. Thanks.

thats the hilarity of it all. you shouldnt even have to consider formatting/reformatting, but due to the sprawling ugly design of the Windows filesystems you do :razz:

there you go Linux basher Lep :razz:

I just tried reinstalling CoD. Once it was installed, I played through the entire training mission without it crashing. The next day, when I booted up, I didnt get the boot-up error anymore :smile: Then, I started a defrag that went while I was at school. When I got home, I tried CoD again, and now I get the same crash as before! Argh! However, that error on startup is gone.

I've also noticed, Jed's HL Model Viewer also crashes whenever I try to run it.

Gwil said:
thats the hilarity of it all. you shouldnt even have to consider formatting/reformatting, but due to the sprawling ugly design of the Windows filesystems you do :razz:

there you go Linux basher Lep :razz:

Oh, can you play it on Lunix yet? I wasn't aware that you could play anything more advanced than ASCII Quake :razz:

Please stay on topic people, I cant map until my problem is solved! :argh:

Sorry about the double post, but I want this thread to stay alive, my puter needs fixing! Does anyone have any ideas short of formatting/reinstalling windows?

Try uninstalling your graphics card manually. (Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager) Then reboot. It should redetect your card, then run the installation to finish with the default drivers (if they exist). Check if it works. Then update to the latest, I suppose you could download them of your manufacturers website.

? posted by Gwil

thats the hilarity of it all. you shouldnt even have to consider formatting/reformatting, but due to the sprawling ugly design of the Windows filesystems you do :razz:

there you go Linux basher Lep :razz:
Oh, can you play it on Lunix yet? I wasn't aware that you could play anything more advanced than ASCII Quake :razz:

Oh now come on. lol.

WineX and Gentoo Linux together makes a very nice gaming computer.

Secondly, Windows defragmentation algorythim is horrible. Try to find a 3rd party if you want to defrag, which isn't really nessesary unless you've uninstalled and re-installed a crap load of stuff recently, or it's been over 6 or so months since you cleaned it all up, mostly if your computer is running slow.......it's not a general matinence tip to mess with fragmentations unless you need to. I know so many people who defragment their computers on a regular basis and I ask them why, and they say to improve performance (of their overly abundant expensive computers) and it's not doing anything (in performance increase that is) unless you're low on space. Also, how would a defrag fix a problem you're having? it just moves the clustors to an organized area (which can make accessing files faster) and have more contiguous space...

Fraggard has a fairly good option there. But usually if you just remove a device (or just uninstall it) the drivers are still there. expecially if they're ones you installed. I'm not sure about ATIs stuff, but with nVidia updates you can remove them from the add/remove programs area, then uninstall your card from device manager and then reinstall everything....however, it would be a good idea to put in a different video card and boot once, that way video drivers will be written over with new ones and such (unless Windows is more inefficient then I think it is.....yikes).

Just buy a new computer. Seriously, it worked for me.

fraggard said:
Try uninstalling your graphics card manually. (Control Panel > System > Hardware > Device Manager) Then reboot. It should redetect your card, then run the installation to finish with the default drivers (if they exist). Check if it works. Then update to the latest, I suppose you could download them of your manufacturers website.

Interesting idea Frag, I'll consider it. I'm running a Radeon 9600 Pro with the latest Omega drivers, btw. But I dont think the vid card is the problem (could be tho).

I removed Radiant (deleted the folder, no uninstall prog) and that didnt help anything.

Yak, I would, but I dont have the money. If I had the money for a whole new system, I wouldve got one by now.

wil5on said:
I just recently started mapping for MoHAA, and something strange happened. No signs of any problems before this, btw.

did you install a new editor for MoH?

removing the radiant folder is useless tbh. you need to remove the registry for a proper uninstall. Uninstall the program 1st & then:

start - run - regedit
HKEY_LOCAL_USER - Software - CoDRadiant

delete that & restart pc.

He says he has problems with more than the single game KoRn... Methinks it has something to do with the graphics card than with anything else.

BTW: did you try what I said wil5on? I think it's your easiest option yet. And like crono said, uninstall any of those updates and stuff after the card. Try to make it as clean as possible.

I'll try Frags idea tonight. If it doesnt work, I'll try your idea Korn.

BTW its MoH radiant, not CoD.

Uninstalled the vid card drivers, then installed the ATI ones (catalyst 4.3). That didnt help at all.

Went into regedit, but there was no HKEY_LOCAL_USER. I'm running win xp btw.

EDIT: Looked around, found HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\MOHAA\MOHRadiant. Should I delete this? I want to be sure before screwing around in the registry.

dunno, never touched moh.

I'll try it then...

Removed the registry entry, didnt fix my problem.

Sorry for the triple post, but it looks like i'll have to wipe my hdd and start over. Unfortunately I've got 2 tests coming and I need to study, so I wont have enough time until next weekend. I also wont have enough blank CDs until then...

GGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dammit! I formatted my hdd, first thing I did was install gfx card drivers, then copy over all my HL stuff. HAMMER STILL DOESNT WORK!!! I even tried removing the drivers, that didnt affect it at all.

Still the same problem, when I try to drag a box, of any sort, in a 2d view, it crashes the frickin program.

Just another way of God telling you not to format your HD to fix problems :rolleyes:

Most likely, not that I have the slightest clue as to what your problem is but, the problem is in your registry or something as such.

[EDIT]
Kay, I just read through the posts on this ... old ... topic. Have you ever thought of trying a virus scan?

Also, try updating openGL/DirectX drivers and versions.

The only problem is, no one can really tell you how to fix it because no one is there at your computer.

But formatting is a terrible idea ... dear lord ... just learn how to clean it manually, it doesn't degrade the quality as quickly as several complete wipes (taking that residual data stays on Hard Disks you don't really get a 'clean slate' you just get a fresh coat of paint, but the crap is still there underneath).
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The crap may still be there but isn't that irrelavent? just because a particular magnetic bit happens to be in a particular state should have no effect on your system. If there is no way to refence a file, it effectivly does not exist even if those bits remain encoded. am I missing somthing here?

No, you're not missing anything.

But, I didn't say something like "its completly horrifyingly detramental". I just said that residual information is left and after time it does degrade the HD, how often something like this is done and the amount of time matters, but if you frequently format your drive, there's a good chance you'll notice a difference with in a few years (3 or 4).

Its not really a big deal to be honest, because the performance hit isn't that big, but it does exist.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. But you can't rightfully say that for this situation formatting your hard drive is a 'intelligent' choice.

Try not moving old HL files back on, try doing a complete fresh install of hammer from downloading it off the 'net. You notice the performance on older computers considerably. When I reformat I can load HL maps in a mere 5-10 seconds with WON. After a few months it tends to take longer and longer. I always welcome a format. (Because I'm a backup fiend, so I'm never worried.)

Gorb-

I think just defragging should fix the load times.. no need for the reformat.

Crono- I guess I didn't understand what you were saying. I thought you were implying that the residual data itself could cause a problem i.e. a virus that wasn't actualy deleted ect... I don't understand how a reformat would even marginaly effect the drive capacity, but I'll take your word for it. I don't know very much about HDD technology.

Well, mostly it fragments the drive, if I'm not mistaken.
Usually when you normally use the HD it gets fragmented from moving files, but moving things accross the ENTIRE drive has the same effect. I suppose you could format then defrag ... but ... then what's the point? Expeicially because the problem is usually in the registry, if you format it just removes the data ... the registry is still messed up.

Anyway, you really never have to format unless you need to put a different format on the hard drive or wiping your system (in which case, just delete the partition and allow a set up program to format later).

I think the problem is, there are things I'm forgetting to mention here that could possibly fix this issue since they're things I automatically do if I have a problem. Such as if a program is being completly wacky no matter what I do, I'll uninstall it and re-install it, pretty basic stuff, but some people don't think to do that, why? I have no idea.

All I can really say is that a format will not help Wil5on, not at all.

(Also, TB, I meant he should run a virus scan since he's got some funky stuff going on, not because a hard drive has fragmented and residual information)

Well, thats all well and good, but it doesnt help me with my problem (sorry if I'm being rude, but my computer is becoming more and more frustrating).

Now, for some reason, every 1-2 minutes my computer pops up this message:



If I insert the XP CD it seems to make it stop, but my CD drive starts to spin constantly, and if I want to use another CD, bammo ^^.

Oh and BTW, the drivers I've been using are Catalyst 4.3. I'm using a Radeon 9600 Pro. Will try new GL drivers, since it seems only GL programs are screwing up.

Have you thought of leaving your computer alone while it uses the cd? I mean unless it take more then 20 minutes or so with no visible action, let it do its job.

Something you might want to do is get drivers for the hard ware you recently installed drivers for on line from the manufacturer which are made for XP. I've had times where the drivers which came with the card or something as such made XP stop working. Last week, I updated my video drivers and when I restarted my screen was black, because I did too much between installing the drivers and restarting. I had to put in a different videocard start up, restart and reinstall it with the same drivers and it was fine. Crap like this happens a lot, you just need to be patient. I mean, to be honest, you're probably in this prediciment because at some point you were very impatient and you didn't let something finish.

Anyway, I hope that all helps.

Youre probably right Crono.

The only changes made to my hardware recently were... I added a HDD to backup my stuff, and I removed the NIC because I thought it was causing problems.

EDIT: Checked ATI site, the newer drivers dont list any fixes to do with opengl. Will try getting WinXP SP1a, that may fix it.

EDIT: Gaahh, damn MS. I dont have a net connection on my own comp, which means I'd have to dl the 143mb version, which is something I just cant do atm. Is it worth it, getting the CD? (BTW I'm not in the US/Canada). If I have to pay for it, I wont bother.

Tracer Bullet said:
Gorb-

I think just defragging should fix the load times.. no need for the reformat.

Crono- I guess I didn't understand what you were saying. I thought you were implying that the residual data itself could cause a problem i.e. a virus that wasn't actualy deleted ect... I don't understand how a reformat would even marginaly effect the drive capacity, but I'll take your word for it. I don't know very much about HDD technology.

No, defragging does not do the same. Reformatting removes tons of the extra junk that accumulates i.e. extra memory being taken up etc. When you do a fresh install of windows it's also a good idea to defragment as drives tend to be very fragmented after a new install.

Checked ATI site, the newer drivers dont list any fixes to do with opengl. Will try getting WinXP SP1a, that may fix it.

Just because OpenGL is not working properly doesn't mean it is openGL's fault. It's probably a compatability issue with Windows XP. Maybe you wrote over some working drivers you had when you installed something. What I'm saying is, try to reinstall drivers you know that work.

I don't suggest the Service Pack, it wont fix anything pertaining to video stuff.

If you want, go through the Windows Update and choose what you want to install (Usually there are a few driver updates you'll want).

You can also try re-installing DirectX 9b and such.

I cant really run windows update... you see, my computer doesnt have an internet connection (I use my parents for internet).

A friend of mine suggested I try an older driver version, like cat 4.1. He says he had this problem with Pandora Tomorrow and it actually recommends you use older drivers.

I cant really run windows update... you see, my computer doesnt have an internet connection (I use my parents for internet).

Then lug your computer downstairs and hook it up to their connection. I mean its not like you're going to have to do this more then once.

Crono said:

I cant really run windows update... you see, my computer doesnt have an internet connection (I use my parents for internet).

Then lug your computer downstairs and hook it up to their connection. I mean its not like you're going to have to do this more then once.

yes, so simple it hurts

*edit: I'm an idiot.