The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER

The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER

Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by SuperCobra on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 9:01pm
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This is the ulitmate but I may be wrong:

AMD FX-55 @ 2.6ghz

4 gigs of ram

X850 XT 256mb

Neo K8n mobo

Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Platnuim

7.1 Audio speaker System

Any more things u would like to add?
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by fishy on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 9:09pm
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a big sticker for the side of it, that says in all the major languages, "i've got more money than sense"
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by SuperCobra on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 9:10pm
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I am not saying I have it jesus I was just saying and where is glasgow in RUSSIA?
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by fishy on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 9:23pm
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whether you have it or not (though it does look a lot like specs you posted before), it would still merit the big sticker.

jesus had nothing to do with it (afaik)

glasgow is in scotland. (over the hill where the sun comes from, and far far away)
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by $loth on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 9:32pm
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4 gig of ram? LOL. The ultimate PC would have more than one CPU.

Although I usually favour ATI the 6*** series seems to be kicking the
x800 series arses, I think a 6800GT would be about the same as the
x850xt
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Joe-Bob on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 9:47pm
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You'd probably need a 42" plasma display.

http://42http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=24-002-256&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Monitors

And for the motherboard/processor, I don't think you could get by with
anything less than dual Xeons.

http://www.neqx.com/product.asp?pf_id=MO1203-7200
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by SuperCobra on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 9:52pm
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Yeah forget intel I will just wait for AMD to finish on their dual CPU stuff.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Pegs on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 10:11pm
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2.6 ghz isnt much for a dream PC (i basicaly have that) a terrahertz maybe

You have no space - 400 or 800GB Hardrive

And the uberest case you have ever seen with inbuilt cooling system of extreem coldness!!!
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Joe-Bob on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 10:13pm
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Yeah forget intel I will just wait for AMD to finish on their dual CPU stuff.
Lets not get caught up in the trap of brand loyalty, now. Since cost is no object, why not get the superior hardware?
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Oski on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 10:29pm
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Soundblaster? pff. my dreamcomputer would have an Audiotrak or ESI. But I already have an audiotrak. too bad the other parts in the my computer dont match with the ones in my dream computer.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 10:38pm
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I have an "uberest case" that has a bunch of cooling components. I cannot even leave it on at night because it makes so much noise. I covered the buggered thing with chair cussions and it STILL didn't help the noise at all. go for the QUIETEST case you can find, and get that one. seriously, I cannot even leave KaZaA on at night because the comp is so damn noisy!

/me likes intel best cause of HT.

I have 200GB of storage and i went to do a DEFRAG and i had 3 GB of free space, There is such a thing as too little hard drive space. lol
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Feb 15th 2005 at 11:15pm
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2.6 ghz isnt much for a dream PC (i basicaly have that) a terrahertz maybe
2.6 Ghz in AMD terms is very different in Intel terms. I have a 2.6 AMD
64 bit processor, and it is fatser than my older PC (P4 2.8 Ghz
processor). AMD is the way to go, its large L2 cache is meant for the
gaming. But its really useless unless you have fast RAM (not a lot of
it), and a good mother board.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Bewbies on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 12:28am
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dream cpu? how about an industrial server case/mobo with 2 or 4 of the beefy xeons.. (or maybe those new dual-core CPUs intel is developing). sorry, but i cant figure AMD into any dream PC.. their only advantages are price in comparison to speed.. and at this point, price isnt much of a problem.

as for harddrives, get one of those drive columns.. you know.. the 1.5tb+ ones used for security camera footage. dunno if they have pci-e boards with good raid controllers, but have 2(10k-rpm SCSIs) for your virtual operating system drive.

..oye, i could go on forever
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by $loth on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 8:32am
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2.6 ghz isnt much for a dream PC (i basicaly have that) a terrahertz maybe

You have no space - 400 or 800GB Hardrive

And the uberest case you have ever seen with inbuilt cooling system of extreem coldness!!!
Thase change would be sweet, but that would require sealing of the case
from anything else I've heard as it causes condensation around the
plates.

Cases? A CM stacker and some dangerden or other quality watercooling :wink:
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Pegs on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 9:27am
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personaly if a was that mad i would leave all the pieces scatterd about
(not in the hallway so people step on it) but that way they wont
oberheat :razz:
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by RaPtoR on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 10:16am
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No "dreamcomputer" beats mine!

http://www.cray.com/products/xd1/index.html
  • 130 GhZ total of AMD cpus,
  • 96 GB of ram
  • 1.5 TB (1500GB) hd
I don't think HL2 will lag on this one.....

Probably cost 1000000 $ to, better start saving....
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Myrk- on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 8:11pm
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Pffft, you and your crappy CPU's... Assuming Windows XP supports it, get the IBM business CPU's... They made terhertz ones, though there were rather huge I believe.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Crono on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 8:15pm
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You'd be a god damned moron if you think you'd use a cray for personal computing. You wouldn't need that much power to run everything that's out now ... or in the next few years. Not to mention, that computer is made for cooperations to house their databases and such. In which case, they get screwed anyway, because about 20 years down the line they still have the same (now slow) machine which is difficult to use and a pain in the ass, but they can't upgrade because it would cost WAY too much money. I believe when you buy these types of computers you have to sign agreements as well. Contracts that cost about $1mil to break (*cough*IBM*cough*).

Not to mention, most "super computers" don't exactly have accelerated video cards. (some don't have video cards at all, since they're made to all work together and automatically. They have to be "connected to" and such. Not sure about that specific one of course.)

Something a little more "reachable" in the next few years are some of the new Vector chips. Especially the cell. That one's really nice because it can interact on a hardware level. That means it's compatible with pretty much any hardware that's out or ever will be out (at least that's the idea). It eliminates the CPU cache. Since the ram it uses is faster (and somehow has a fast bus). I'm not sure on the specifics, mainly because the thing is in development. But, it seems they took out a big chunk of the bottleneck in a systems: the bus.
It seems the cell will be powerful because it isn't really it's own class or anything like that. It's made to use existing architecture and software and adapt that to a faster processing system (as in the whole computer, not just the CPU).

And in my dream computer, there'd be no BUS and a flash drive would replace the HDD. Other then that everything else is negotiable. I'd imagine it'd have some quantum computing going on too... not sure I'd need it though.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by $loth on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 8:19pm
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<div style="text-align: left;">Aren't the cell and other cpu's used in other consoles like the GC made by IBM?

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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Bewbies on Wed Feb 16th 2005 at 9:02pm
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http://www.sun.com/servers/highend/sunfire_e25k/specs.xml

::drool::

few years ago, i used a compaq proliant ml370 for my home computer.. 2x(1.3ghz) processors with 512k cache.. 1024ddr propriatary memory.. the raid5 SCSI controller... god i miss that beauty. didnt leave room for upgrading, though. no agp slot, couldnt go passed intel celerons, and was HUGE.

my baby..

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Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by willow on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 2:45am
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Why do you need 4GB's of RAM? What are you doing? Real Time
rendering of 3d Graphics in Full Motion? Didn't think so,
absolute waste of money for 4gbs of ram.

On top of that, what do you plan on doing with a Nforce 3 mobo and a
PCI-E Video Card? Absolutely nothing in this case. Seeming how there is
no Nforce 3 mobo that supports PCI-E with Socket 939.

Why would you need an Audigy for sound if you used onboard Nforce sound?

Now what I'm thinking is, you just look at the most important pieces
you could, and throw them together to make your NON-FUNCTIONAL, uber
PC. Now the FX-55 is a VERY SOLID CHIP, and will OUTPERFORM every
chip Intel has to offer. Now if you want to build a real,
functional computer how about you go with.

Asus A8N SLI -Nforce 4 Chipset 2x PCI-E slots

FX-55 or even a AMD 64 3000+, the 3000+ easily overclocks to 2.5ghz on
Air, and no matter what you intel fan boys say, the AMD 64's smoke your
beloved pentiums, any benchmark will say it.

Gig of Low Latency Ram in Dual Channel of course, hell go with 2 gigs if ya have the money.

2 Nvidia 6800 Ultras in SLI, or even go with 6800GT's and OC them to Ultra Speed.

2-4 120GB Seagate SATA drives running in Raid 0 for speed and storage.

550-600 Watt PSU to power this bad boy

Use on board sound, and get a solid quiet case and some good cooling,
and you have a solid, high performance machine, for $1400-1800 range,
wait a few months and some new mobos will be out that support OCing
better, along with price drops on components.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by fraggard on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 3:50am
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http://www.research.ibm.com/bluegene/

And since it can do
this,
I'm assuming it has enough graphics power to run Doom 3... :smile:

/me waits for Crono to explode
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Crono on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 6:22am
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I'm not going to explode.

People just don't get that you're not going to use that kind of power for anything you'd ever be able to run on your home computer.

These computers people are listing ARE very useful, but, not for gaming. Let's put it this way: They'd be wasted if someone bought one just to play Half-Life 2.

And actually, in a normal computer that most of us have, 4GB of ram would help ... a lot actually. It would allow most all of your applications and such to be loaded in actual ram, limiting, at least some, of the VMM use ... thus making everything run faster. But that's a really "high level" description, I suppose.

Sloth, no, the Cell isn't finished yet. Or at least, it's not for sale. The GameCube, if I remember the specs, has a 500Mhz processor (I think it's an IBM flavor, not sure though). I have no doubt that it's pipelined, giving a much faster performance then most people's idea of "500 Mhz"
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by DrGlass on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 6:42am
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I'd add a fridge and waffle iron.

a 500 ghz waffle iron.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by fraggard on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 6:45am
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People just don't get that you're not going to use that kind
of power for anything you'd ever be able to run on your home computer.
I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.

- IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943

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<div class="quote"><div class="quotetitle">? quote:</div><div class="quotetext">And actually, in a normal computer that most of us have, 4GB of ram
would help ... a lot actually. It would allow most all of your
applications and such to be loaded in actual ram, limiting, at least
some, of the VMM use ... thus making everything run faster. But that's
a really "high level" description, I suppose.</div></div>

I've always wondered about that. A 32 bit address bus allows for 4GB of
addressable memory, but the 386 (and up) assume that no one will have
the assumed 4 GB. So all virtual addresses generated will be paged
anyway. I think the overhead incurred in paging will probably not let
the theoretically possible full performance occur. And the 486 and up
add another level of overhead with the L1 Cache. I wonder what's the
"sweet spot" RAM amount for best performance with any Pentium Pro architecture based
processor. I doubt the entire 4GB is necessary for the best possible
performance.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Crono on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 8:38am
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My point was A. stuff will not require that kind of power or B. there will be a new architecture and you'd be left in the dust anyway ... with your million dollar computer. I didn't mean that we would never have applications that would demand that kind of power, but it isn't likely in the near future (20-30 years).

As "real" as some of this stuff looks and acts, I guarantee it's a very large fa?ade.

The amount of usable ram is dynamic, by the way. And, I believe (I'm not sure, I haven't taken operating systems yet :sad: ) that the amount of usable physical ram is set by the OS at start up. It's part of the initialization and it just says "this address through this address is for the me ... this address through this address is for blah blah hardware ... the rest is free use" and of course a certain amount of ram needs to be free at all times otherwise the computer would crash and burn. (Think of it like Tetris, in that aspect, if you like) This is why infinite loops are bad, you may think of them as ?the computer locking up?, but in most cases that's what's happening. (Or your stuff is struggling to handle all the commands you've given it.)

But, the optimum amount of ram would be the largest amount your board can support. It will continue to use the same percentage. Or something like that. Go read an architecture book if you want complete details :razz:
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by Pegs on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 9:14am
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2.6 ghz isnt much for a dream PC (i basicaly have that) a terrahertz maybe
2.6 Ghz in AMD terms is very different in Intel terms. I have a 2.6 AMD
64 bit processor, and it is fatser than my older PC (P4 2.8 Ghz
processor). AMD is the way to go, its large L2 cache is meant for the
gaming. But its really useless unless you have fast RAM (not a lot of
it), and a good mother board.
Are you Trying to Suggest i have Intel. How dare you :razz:
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by RaPtoR on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 3:05pm
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You'd be a god damned moron if you think you'd use a cray for personal
computing. You wouldn't need that much power to run everything that's
out now ... or in the next few years. Not to mention, that computer is
made for cooperations to house their databases and such. In which case,
they get screwed anyway, because about 20 years down the line they
still have the same (now slow) machine which is difficult to use and a
pain in the ass, but they can't upgrade because it would cost WAY too
much money. I believe when you buy these types of computers you have to
sign agreements as well. Contracts that cost about $1mil to break
(*cough*IBM*cough*).

Not to mention, most "super computers" don't exactly have
accelerated video cards. (some don't have video cards at all, since
they're made to all work together and automatically. They have to be
"connected to" and such. Not sure about that specific one of course.)
Well who cares about the money? This thread was about dream
computers wasn't it? You think i'll throw up a milion bucks from my
back pocket and buy it tomorrow? And 100ghz is always better than 10 nomatter what.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by $loth on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 3:15pm
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For my dream computer I wouldn't touch raid 0, one falls-they all fall.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by SaintGreg on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 6:03pm
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Then again a dream computer wouldn't be limited to mechanical drives
with slow access times, any high capacity storage devices would
probably be using flash memory.

4 GB of RAM would help, but considering most of the stuff I run on my
computer (and probably others do too) doesnt take up more than about 300 MB of RAM at once, even if
I had several memory intensive apps open at once, it still would fit
nicely into 2 GB of RAM. Going from 2 to 4 would do almost
nothing. To get the most out of that extra RAM I would need to be
running apps that need more memory. But considering that many
aglorithms scale faster in computation time than in memory, it would
just take uber long to run.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by SuperCobra on Thu Feb 17th 2005 at 11:30pm
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But why not have the ram there just in case ? Better to be safe then sorry.
Re: The ultimate DREAM COMPUTER Posted by $loth on Fri Feb 18th 2005 at 8:47am
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As long as the ram is cl2 or less.