Second Coming of Jesus

http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/12/news/midcaps/jesus_dolls/

As seen on the FOX NEWs NETWORK!

Discuss..

Honestly? I am tired of Jesus being portrayed as a Caucasian. his race was far from white. :sad:

I have seen some really fair haired illustrations in my day and am tired of him being "Americanized"

I dont care either way.. Im not a Christian. Im a Pegan.. (Druid) no not a wiccan.. thats like saying all Christians are Babtist or Catholic.

MoneyShot said:
I dont care either way.. Im not a Christian. Im a Pegan.. (Druid) no not a wiccan..

I consider "all" religions "pagan" but Druidic is one of the cooler ones :biggrin:

Pagans worship God's creations don't they? Anyways being a Druid sounds kick ass. Can you go into bear form and and cast entangling roots on people?

Spartan said:
Pagans worship God's creations don't they? Anyways being a Druid sounds kick ass. Can you go into bear form and and cast entangling roots on people?

Well dont tell anyone else.. but yes I can.. but only on Certain cycles of the moon and heavens.. you know the alignment and all that jazz. :smile:

As for the Worship of God Creations.. its more of a respect, than worship. But lets get back to the Jesus doll.. what do you think of that? I know Orph doesnt like its white heritage look. ( raciest - jk )

Orph, what confuses me almost equally so is people saying that Jesus was black.

Cassius said:
Orph, what confuses me almost equally so is people saying that Jesus was black.

/Me was commenting mostly on things like "Statues,Murals, and Pictures"

I have never heard anyone say he was black, but i do not doubt it.

Wouldn't he be more arabic looking? Maybe Redish Brown skin, sorta Egyptian? I mean that was the part of the world he came from.. Yeah Im not to crazy about the cleaned up white Jesus either Orph.. ( Wait I need to stop Rant is coming. )

But the Doll is what I wanted to talk about.. He talks, he quotes scripture and teaches bible stuff? Would you want your kid playing with that? Do you think its appropiate? What problems would such a doll have? Marketing Jesus, does this bother you?

He would probably be mostly Arab. I suppose we make Gods in our own image, though.

Yeah, that would fly well... A jesus doll that looked like a 'terrorist' (i.e. an Arab).

I could see the MAAT (mothers agains all things) getting their undies in a bunch over something like that.

Unless 110% of profits go to poor kids in Africa and South America (the
places that took quite a beating from Jesus lovers) I think its sick to
sell a religious icon as a toy.

It's probably a sort of counter-propaganda, a way to face the rising of Islam, since most Europeans and Americans have become completely laical (if not druidic). But a doll?? I don't think it's very appropriate.

As for the looks, I think we owe this to the casting of the famous Zeffirelli's "Jesus of Nazareth": this actor has become, to a lot of catholics, the actual J.C! I think the Vatican has even forbidden him to do any other movie... I wouldn't see him anyway in a movie like "Under Siege" (why did I chose that example?)

Orph, what confuses me almost equally so is people saying that Jesus was black.

How could Jesus be so white when he wasn't born in Europe? I call it Christian Propaganda :smile: .

Anyway, it has been prooven: Jesus was born in Troy, which is known as
City16, and was black and had a small business petting zoo and he had
this spaceship thingy and he could teleport adn sh*t OMG now that was
l33t :biggrin: !111!!!1 :wink:

I know its sacrilege, but every time i see the words "Second Coming of Jesus" i think "what a stud.."

perhaps its my lack of faith, but i never considered reincarnation as particularly religious.

shrugs

stop looking at me like that!

I think it's crazy, but it's a free world (so much for not making idols), plus I've seen worse or the same done before... I'm sure Orph will love this "Gay American" action figure

Pretty soon we'll have a Gay Hitler action figure with kung-fu action
and, if you'll squeeze it, you'll hear it imitate Cartman from
Southpark saying "Ey, ya f*ckin jew!". Bloody antisemites. :sad:

Leperous said:
I'm sure Orph will love this "Gay American" action figure

Without the picture (which i am SO GLAD you included) do you have any idea what image "action figure" puts into ones mind?????

I didn't know whether to laugh, or cringe cause mental images kept flashing through my mind.. one of a Clark Kent in pink racing off to save the day, and another of a couple bumping and grinding in true gay fashion. YUKKY!
anywho's, thanx a million for that Lep :razz:

i don't imagine anyone that actually follows biblical teachings would go out and buy one of these.

2nd commandment etc.

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Why do i get the feeling that sloth has literally waited on pins and needles for SOMEONE to post a thread about Jesus.

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I was so sure this was the doll that Lep had linked too..

http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume01/diatribes013/diatribes250-270/diatribes252.htm

Who recalls the hooplah this got on the many news stations? And this next link is just for ORPH..

http://www.beproud.com/index.php?cat=Gifts&aisle=2036

What ever you do do not click the ( anatomical detail ) Button.. Dont do it. ( WARNING ADULT IN NATURE - REMOVE LINK IF QUESTIONABLE )

Warning: moisture content in pants may increase dramatically if you click the anatomic button above.

/me goes and changes diaper.... again

DAMN IT'S AS FAT AS HIS DAMN ARM!

well if that's typically what gay guys are all about, then it's no surprise that i'm straight.

Oh, and FYI- the term Pagan derives itself from Latin, and literally back then meant country-side or country-dweller. In modern times, the term pagan has come to only encompass a religion that isn't a direct subsect of any of the major religions (Judaism, Christianity, or Islam). AKA, a religion that existed within a small sub-sect of a population living out in the boondocks.

So no, not all religions are "pagan," orph :razz:

And honestly, who the hell in their right mind would buy that action figure, Lep? I can't tell who they're trying to market the damn thing towards, but it's failing on all counts.

who is crazy enough to make jesus dolls anyways :smile:

Monqui said:
Oh, and FYI- the term Pagan derives itself from Latin, and literally back then meant country-side or country-dweller. In modern times, the term pagan has come to only encompass a religion that isn't a direct subsect of any of the major religions (Judaism, Christianity, or Islam). AKA, a religion that existed within a small sub-sect of a population living out in the boondocks.

So no, not all religions are "pagan," orph :razz:

/me whispers to Monkee..

So saith the preferred religions when Christianity first arrived :biggrin:

Pagan is in the eye of the beholder my friend.

I think the Jesus doll is stupid. I hate it when people use religion to make money.

P.S. For the past few days almost every thread has turned into an argument over homosexuality. Lets just drop it. It gets old.

This isn't an arguement over homosexuality, it's everyone ridiculing the stupidest action figures ever created, either because they're offensive to the people they're trying to portray or because they're just, er, stupid.

Leperous said:
This isn't an arguement over homosexuality, it's everyone ridiculing the stupidest action figures ever created, either because they're offensive to the people they're trying to portray or because they're just, er, stupid.

I was thinking the same thing, but coming from me it would sound absurd. when you consider my stance on the topic in question i couldn't think of a way to say what you just typed.

my thanx.

On topic about the jesus doll -

Christianity is losing its popularity. Kids, where I come from, dont
believe in God. They should sell him with a jet-pack or a jesusmobile
though, no kid wants an action figure that lacks action.

The NEW Jesus Action Figure! Now with the power to forgive 70x7 times!

But thats not all!!

If you buy the 'king herod' expansion you can make it hover above water!!

I am tired of Jesus being portrayed as a Caucasian. his race was far from white.

Then why, if he might be one of the 'lower' races, does it pain you to think of anything other than caucasian beliefs?

I mean, why is a black Jesus ok, but not a gay Jesus?

Mephs said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>I am tired of Jesus being portrayed as a Caucasian. his race was far from white.

Then why, if he might be one of the 'lower' races, does it pain you to think of anything other than caucasian beliefs?

I mean, why is a black Jesus ok, but not a gay Jesus?

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first, if you are talking to me personally, you have never ever seen me say "lower race. its truly insulting to even suggest it.

secondly assuming Jesus was real, he could very well have been of the gay persuasion, i dunno. his actions tend to lend credence to such an outlook.

thirdly WTF does that have to do with my comment at all? Americans have literally "Whitened" Jesus. his portrails have all drifted away from his origin and now is a classic White version of his former self.

Anywho's, I take offense to any comments that suggest that I am racist in any way. Please refrain from quoting me, out of context. :sad:

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Then why, if he might be one of the 'lower' races, does it pain you to think of anything other than caucasian beliefs?

I mean, why is a black Jesus ok, but not a gay Jesus?

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One: Orph Never said anything about them being a lower race. And Second it What does this have to do with a freakin DOLL?

As for the gay thing.. In Jesus Times from what I have read there was no real GAY ideal back then. If you thought that boy was cute and you had sex.. it was sex.. nothing more. Gay is a Modern Term.

Orph just said he was tired of people portraying Jesus as some White Boy from Texas.. instead of the Jewish person he was. He is looking at it from the historic point of view.. what the people in that region looked like, compaired to the modern Jesus we have today, the two just dont mesh.

*EDIT Doh looks like Orph also got to this one... lol sorry.

My point was Orphs previous posts (older threads, referring to his
homophobia) surely if you suddendly paint Jesus other than the nice
European chap the Vatican/Other supposed Christian churches like to
think he is, you're losing the main point of you white, European
religion.

And YES they are...and if you DON'T agree you aren't part of the church
in question (wide-sweeping, but fact) if you don't believe EXACTLY what
your church does, you are NOT a member.

Meph's, am I supposed to care that they rewrote Jesus white? Am I supposed to believe that, truly?

Sounds to me like you are describing a dictatorship, not a religion. but, whatever floats your boat.

I still think its not very accurate to use Gays as an example to prove your point either. I obviously cannot make you believe that but thats something you will have to work out for yourself as my conscience is clear on all counts.

As I said before, Gays get far more attention than they deserve, stop bringing them into every conversation as if they were the perfect example to prove all things by. :sad:

You want to use a "people/group" to use, try the American Indians, try the Jews, try... the uneducated... they deserve it more and they make you look better for doing it.

Why is it when someone does not approve of something they must fear it. I could care less if your getting a 6 inch weiner up the poop shute nightly Mephs.. Thats not what this is about. What you do in the privacy of your bedroom/home is your business.

But since you seem to want to start something out of nothing, then here ya go.. My view points on gayness.

It is un-natural for two men to have sex with one another.. they are both Tab A's, Givers of the Intercourse. Where as it is perfectly natural for two women to have sex with one another because they are the slots B's or the reciever of the act. Now I am speaking of Sexual parts here, not butt holes and mouths and belly buttons or your eye socket.. only the sexual organs.. Tha Anus is not a sexual organ, even though many people seem to think it is.

Now Mephs if you and your boyfreind wanna play hide the salami, thats all on you, but dont try and force me to belive its ok, or right. In America you have the right to have sexual contact with any other consentual humen of legal age you want, as long as you dont infringe on my rights to do it. If I am standing in your bedroom and you start to have gay sex, then I have the option to leave or pull out a cam corder.

Am I a Homophobe.. no.. I just dont agree wth your life style. Hey My Wife was an Exotic Dancer, she danced on stage and made mucho money, and to some that is just not acceptable.. do I run around with a T-Shirt and a mega phone making screaming Bull-poopy of how your a StripperPhobe. Uhn no im not..

As for Religion, I am not a Christian.. I am a Druid/Pagen, Something the Christians based there entire beliefs on. For Proof check out this link: http://spl.haxial.net/ ( I dont agree with everyting he says.. but its close ) This is just one of many resources I have read and checked.. and I dont base everying I believe just off this one web page..

If you want to know more of what I believe check out my bitching blog.. ( http://www.livejournal.com/users/moneyshotz/17495.html )

Besides all that Mephs, it would seem you have a personal issue with Orph and try to just pick something with him any chance you get, whats that all about?

Now can we get this back on topic.. This is all about a stupid Doll.. Thank you..

Jesus couldn't be homosexual because it's a sin in Jewish/Christian culture, and half the point in his story/existence/whatever is that he was sinless? :rolleyes:

And mephs, why on earth are you playing the "lower race" flame card? No-one ever said anything about non-caucasians being lower in anyway, and I'm sure that despite controversy here very few people here are racist...

$loth said:
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Why do i get the feeling that sloth has literally waited on pins and needles for SOMEONE to post a thread about Jesus.

I just want to feel loved

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Besides all that Mephs, it would seem you have a personal issue with Orph and try to just pick something with him any chance you get, whats that all about?

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I am humbly in your debt for the defense MS.

/Me bows.

I would like to say, I have not noticed Meph's being personally after me. I could just be blind to it, or numb cause a few others do it so often.

If I am on your s**t list Meph's.. I apologize. Not for what I may have said, but for being tactless enough not to notice I hurt you doing it.

retires to contemplate events

StripperPhobe

Classic stuff.

$loth said:
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I just realized that Buddy Jesus is Orphs Point in a nut shell.. DUH.. And in Dogma weren't they gonna make him an action figure and sell him to gain back the popularity?

I've seen the Buddy Christ doll in a comic shop around here, like the dolls for horror movies, they're about 8-9 inch's tall.

Jesus wasn't homosexual but he was probably a pothead:

• There has always been marijuana fields in this part of the world.

• Until he was 30, he spent his time "meditating" in the desert.

• He came up with a philosophy of peace and love.

... the conclusion seems obvious.

Jesus was a badass motherf**ker

Jesus Toast: http://www.blacktable.com/gillin041202.htm

OH MY GOD..

Thats funny.

Ok, apology time. My point is complete s**te and yes, it DID come out
of nowhere. I was in a bad mood (not with anyone here) and decided to
fight the good fight like some idiot super lefty (eg. jumping on a
cause totally unrelated to me and fighting its corner for no reason
whatsoever, as some kind of surrogate oppression)

Don't even know why I picked this thread. I was being an ass at random.

I'm rubbish at trolling (which in itself is a good thing) as I proved in this random excercise of stupidity.

*Hands out rotten vegetables and assumes the position in the stocks.

No Problem..

But im sorry to say we dont use the stocks to toss rotten vegies anymore.

*EVILGRIN as he begins to remove Mephs pants.. DEATH BY HOOKIE BOOKIE!

Orph your first.. show him how Homophobic you really are.. lol