Forsake the Troops

...But I am interrested in the thoughts of my peers here, so I post this link to get your response.. I also blogged about it.

http://www.forsakethetroops.info/

The Question is.. What do you think this guy posted this?

I think its #2. He doesn't sound like a disgruntled Gay person IMO.

Having been in the military, I am biased to the core, so I would take my opinions concerning the organization with a grain of salt.

IMO, anyone who has the balls to join without the need to be drafted should get all the perks there is imaginable.

The military of most nations is one of the most unappreciated jobs in the world. So many assholes forget totally that someone sometime had died for everything they have now. Every right, every perk, every damned thing is because of somebody someplace in the military.

/ rant.

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I agree Orph. I was in the military as was my wife. I admit I joined up to pay for college, my wife joined up to get some training and to support her family. We both saw over seas action.. Me during the First gulf War, My wife on Rotation way afterwards.

I think its sad that US military people have to rely on Foodstamps to feed the familes and thats as high as E6 pay grade, and that they are paid way below minium wage, something this jack ass does not know. If in the real world like he says the military would have to sepnd way more than it does now to keep a Force of anykind.. no one would join to be under paid and to risk life and limb for no benefits. I also dont think this guy has a clue, because in the US army now Military benefits dont cover 100% medical like they used to.. They are in a HMO type of deal now.. a certain percentage is paid by your health care provider and the other part by the military member. As far as the houseing allowance goes its is no where enough to pay the entire amount in the area your living.. its just to help.. the rest has to come out of militray pay, did I mention thats way below the poverty line. So this guy really has no idea what he is talking about. He is just another hater and I have no doubts will get whats coming to him. And to be honest I dont think there is a court in the land that would convict the person that gives it to him either.

I have so much to say but I dont feel like getting into this discussion with you guys.

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azelito said:
I have so much to say but I dont feel like getting into this discussion with you guys.

Do you disagree with us, him, both? I figured it may anger some, and thats why I questioned if it should be posted.. but I wanted to get the imput of intelligent people, and I consider most of you intelligent. :biggrin:

azelito said:
I have so much to say but I dont feel like getting into this discussion with you guys.

If you disagree in a mature way, I have no issues at all with an opposing viewpoint/perspective on the military.

I know many people who support the military, but have no incentive what so ever in joining themselves. They are respectful and well mannered concerning the job and respect peoples right to be in the military service.

The only people I truly have issues with who go to the extreme in their disdain for it. I am not talking about the people who simply dislike or never even give it a second thought. I am talking about the true assholes who spit on Vet's or just generally treat them like killers. Only a really small portion of the service involves actually taking lives after all.

/me steps back to breathe.

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What a dick. It doesn't help that he looks like f**kin' Count Chocula, either.

has tv started dredging through the steam forums to find arseholes to put on the news?

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It also doesn't help he looks like Balki from Perfect Strangers

WOw the guy who made that site is a complete jerk.

this really pissed me off:

Our underlying problem is this: the military is a lifestyle these morons chose. What idiot risks their life for a country?...So Forsake our Troops! Let 'em die in combat-- we don't need their ilk in this country!

God that guy is a dick.

Oh God. I read over the website and I read over his personnel website and I can say from reading this guy's stuff I already f**king hate him. I can't believe what an asshole he is.

I found this quote on his website.

"that's over five years that my unique and correct opinions have been floating around the net."

Michael Crook the tax scabbing crook... He does look alot like Count Chocula though Cassius!

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He's obviously not being sincere - just looking for attention. He's ridiculous. He couldn't even argue with Sean Hannity.

He doesn't have a right eyebrow (look!), so he can't be count chocula!

His message holds some truth, while it is quite wrong to ask that
troops pay for everything, it is true that our tax money does support
them in some times extreme ways.

With the way war is, almost always there are people who will not and do
not support our actions, so why should they pay so much taxes to troops
and military? While I do not agree with this, I think that we
should use our resources to fix problems internally before we work on
the external (think of how much could have been done with the 200+
Billion dollars that was spent on Iraq if it were used to help the
homeless or disabled? or put into education?)

But like 99% of people who stand for something he does it the wrong
way. His basic message is "Here is what I think, if you dont
agree you are stupid". I think its unfair to lash out at him,
just like I think its unfair to call members of the military stupid.

I'm sure you could find just as many websites devoted in the same
extreme way to support for our troops. Where they call people
like Crook names, and call him stupid and call him all kinds of names.

Both sides are no better or worse than the other, Opinions and Ideals,
when taken to the extreme, are never helpful and will never lead to any
kind of solution because both sides are so closed minded that they will
not settle for some kind of middle ground.

I hate it when people use the tax issue as a deciding factor of "eligibility" :sad:

You want to discuss unnecessary tax, well there is an outrageous tax that people of the US never seem to recall, yet pay it daily. Have any of you any idea just how much tax there is on a gallon of fuel? I mean seriously, do any of you realize just how we are raped at the pumps each day?

You go into the store. You buy groceries, you pay on average 8 cents per dollar spent. thats 8%

Same holds true for most other products.

you pull up to the pump and pay 2.00 a gallon, 56-60 or more cents is taxes. thats 25% people.. Thats worse than most credit cards and everyone knows credit cards are the biggest money pit in the world, and me, I thought loan sharking was outlawed. Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

If you are gonna dislike something, do not use taxes as a factor. I had to put that puppy to rest ages ago when I found out that churches and religious organizations do not PAY TAXES.. you want to bitch about supporting, bitch about supporting churches.

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Must... avoid... temptation... to... Google-bomb...

Oh God, it's sooooo tempting! :evilgrin:

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Loco said:
Must... avoid... temptation... to... Google-bomb...

Oh God, it's sooooo tempting! :evilgrin:

I hate it when I am so out of the loop that comments like this just leave me staring at my monitor dully. Having a "deer in the headlight" look while reading a forum is rather uncomfortable. :sad:

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Sorry Orph. Google-bombing is making a word or phrase entered in Google
have a particular result. ie putting in "waffle" and getting the John
Kerry site, putting in "miserable failure" and getting the official
George Bush profile from the white house etc. See
this
topic.

What I meant was, it is very tempting to set up a page with various
references to this guy so that say, you entered "nutcase" or something
like that (depending on your view of it - people have been
"reverse-bombed" before so that "great president" gets GWB's profile as
well) and got this guys site.

Never mind...

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Well Orph then we will be run down together.. Ill be the deer licking the asphalt next to you. =) But thank goodness there is the web and we can look up stuff.

http://www.wordspy.com/words/Googlebombing.asp ( that explains it ) Unless he means something completely different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googlebomb

My family has been in or around the military service our entire life. The problem this guy has is he does not understand that the people in the military are not well taken care of. He thinks they get paid too much.. then explain to me why they have to be on food stamps to feed there families, were talking people upto the rank of E6. People at E6 break even at the poverty line in this country, that means E1-E5 are below the poverty line. Back in the 1990's the Goverment took away there 100% free Medical. They switched to a HMO like service, that all military people are required to join. They have to pay into this benefit if you can call it that if they want to or not. And it doesn't stop there either. Back in the day all uniforms were provided by the service, now you get 2 sets of BDU's 2 pairs boots 5 pairs of underwear thats tshirts socks and undies. You also get 2 hats, and a Dress uniform. Ok thats great but by the time your done with basic training and AIT, these have to be replaced, and the soldier has to foot the bill, as well as the daily upkeep, cleaning, pressing, boot polish etc.. all this stuff adds up. a Pair of boots alone is 85+ bucks. So the taxes a person pays for is not going to the soldiers, its going to the goverment that uses it to buy stealth planes and missles and what not.. so dont hate the soldier, he/she is not to blame.

Why this guy is hated, is because he has spilled forth his hate and contempt. He has attacked people, and as you said if you disagree with him your stupid and desrve the worst thing that can happen to you. He calls out that these people all should die, and they are not wanted here in this country, the very people that gave him the right to voice that opinion, the very people that died on forien soil so he could sit there with his one shaved eye-brow and belittle and attack the very people that gave him the rights to say what he has. This guy is such an attention whore he recently faked his death, and just a couple days later came clean and said.. You people are all so stupid for thinking im dead.

The problem here is DRGlass, is the troops do deserve what little they get and more. They are paid to protect and server our county and our people, and often people of other countries as well. Its nice of you to try and take the middle ground here.. but im sure you have an opinion one way of the other.

I think part of the problem is that we have an all volunteer army, and
people in the army are there by choice. If there were a draft and
everyone could be potentially called on to serve, I don't think there
would be the grounds for the same arguments. I personally don't have a
problem supporting these people, the real people who go in and live
what all the senators and statesmen and our president talk about so
lightly. I support the tropps, but I don't support what the
government has them fighting for. Anyway -- this guy wants more
control over where his taxmoney goes, because he doesn't support this
all-volunteer army. A lot of people would just say to him, that's
how our country has always worked, and if you don't like it just move
someplace else. He's obviously going about it the wrong way by
being so pugnacious, but I think he brings up an issue: it's important
to have discussion and discourse about the state of our government and
the way things are run. Nothing will progress if people aren't
open to the possibility of review, analysis, or change. I'm not
saying we should do what he says, but I do think that people who think
differently than the status quo will almost never see changes or
progress because currently they are labelled traitors and anti-patriots
by the government and its supporters.

http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen5/f4_iraq.html

the problem lies with governmental policy, not with the wage that grunts do/don't get.

i'm generally a pacifist, but that guys just got one of those faces that's screaming out to get slapped. maybe a poke in the eye, too.

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Dont get me wrong Money, I dont agree with this guy. I'm just
pointing out that if he wasn't a dick about it and wasn't so extremest
about it he would have a leg to stand on.

There is almost a backward way of payment in this world.
Teachers, soldiers, police, etc. get payed so little while Senators,
Judges, Presidents, etc get paid so much. Congressmen get
something like $400,000 a year, they start the wars and something like
1% of their children even go to war. On top of that, politicians
already make alot of money, due to their education or family.
While military folks are commonly from the poorest rung of society.

Hell I think politicians should be payed next to nothing, and soldiers should be paid much much more.

DrGlass said:
There is almost a backward way of payment in this world. Teachers, soldiers, police, etc. get payed so little while Senators, Judges, Presidents, etc get paid so much.

Uhh, I hate to say this but.. For the Importance of the position, the Presidency pays way to little. Don't get me wrong, its still a lot of money, but as far as being "HEAD HONCHO" a lousy 100 grand or so is pocket change.

I do get your drift though. Personally I think that they should initiate standardized pay for all jobs in the USA. A Doctor in Mass. should not get more salary than the same doctor position in say Alabama, or Kentucky.. Same hold true for Cops, and all jobs. This would keep the best doctors from migrating to the better paying locations and people in poorer states could receive the same level of care.

I believe this very strongly. I think Truck Drivers and Janitors or whatever the job should be the same pay nation wide.

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So it would end up being a pay scale, and if I lived in Seattle versus El Paso TX, I would get paid the same.. sorry Orph it wont work. You see I could be a Janitor here in El Paso and only be paid 5.15 an hour.. while the same Janitor in Seattle would starve to death because the cost of living there is so much more. Heck the states minium wage is 7.35 an hour versus Texas 5.15. Also in Washinton State they dont pay tipped employees a different salary.. they get 7.35 an hour as well as any tips, where most states like Texas pay a reduced wage.. 2.13 an hour. Its way to hard to survive on 5.15 let alone 2.13.. That is one reason my Wife was stripping here.. because it was the only job in the area she could do and make mad money. And thats just sad. I wish minium wage would get raised nation wide.. how much I am not sure.

I dont think this guy has any leg to stand on.. he doesn't even seem to know what he is talking about. Here check out his Hannity & Combs interview.. http://thepoliticalteen.net/2005/05/21/1490/

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Have you never taken Economics MS?

The reason the cost of living is so high in Seattle is because they ARE paying 7.35, not because it costs more to live there silly.

Its like "Price and Demand" The reasons things cost more, is because they are most desired. Cost of living goes up because someone decided that living in Seattle was preferable to El Paso. If what you say were true, the cost of living would be higher in El Paso, because of its harsh climate and living conditions. IT would "Cost MORE" to live there.

If the minimum wage (your example not mine) were the same nation wide then the cost would be flat line across the board. Milk would be the same price, houses etc.etc. The only determining factor would be scarcity of products. Milk might be higher where there is no cows, but houses would also be more without trees. So houses should cost more in El Paso than Seattle, and milk should cost more in Seattle than El Paso.

Standardized wages would work. American PRIDE will not allow it to. No Northerner would work for 6.15 an hour. They would rather go on food stamps. They have enough pride to want more money, but not enough to work and stay off Government subsidies.. Go figure. :rolleyes:

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I've taken economics and... thats not right.

The minimum wage doesnt have that much of an effect. If you were to go in and change everyones wage in Seattle, then prices would go down, however youre only changing the minimum wage, which many people in Seattle earn significantly more than. Seattle is a more desirable place to live apparently, so people who can afford to move there, will tend to move there. You end up with a Seattle full of rich people, and high prices, and the people on minimum wage (if it remains the same as in El Paso) get left behind.

Standardised wages would not work, American INCOME DISTRIBUTION will not allow it to.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

Wilson, he picked minimum wage, not I. I would have chosen to start at the top if I were giving the examples.

My theory is sound, if you do that.

I took economics, hell I LIVE IT every day. :rolleyes:

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You think your fuel is expensive? We pay the same price you do for a gallon, but we only get a litre!

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Myrk- said:
You think your fuel is expensive? We pay the same price you do for a gallon, but we only get a litre!

I already told Lep this. Try living on the mainland a while. Your island is not big enough to show you what high gas prices are.

I would imagine (I am not sure), that I drive further on each of my runs than your island is long.

I buy about 12,000 dollars on average of diesel fuel, and about 1/3 of that in gasoline per year. Try doing that on only 25,000 income.

I am betting that you d not pay 50% of your wages in fuel. :/

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Well surely your company should be paying for your fuel on both ways of the journey, like all companies do in the UK and most other countries around the world... Sounds like your company is scamming you.

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welcome to the USA Myrk. :/

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As I live in the UK I wouldn't know much about this, but being forced
to pay for everything because some stuck-up college guy can't be
bothered paying for being protected is somewhat unfair

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Orpheus said:
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welcome to the USA Myrk. :/

Aye Mate.. thats why I stopped being an Owner Operator.. the upkeep was well more than the pay of being my own boss. Heck Insurance alone will kill ya. New tires, truck washes ( certian states - "Cali" require clean trucks ) fuel, toll charges, state tags, are just a few of the many expenses American Drivers have to pay. I will say that in most of my deals, the people I drove for coverd 60-90% of all fuel ontop of my other expenses.

i am a vet, as those who have been here awhile prolly know, and as such, the audacity of this site owner is to me....well....appalling....he's one thats lucky i cant get my hands around his neck....those that know me, know how i feel, so ill spare the rant.....but i must say, it still breaks my heart to know that there are those that still dont appreciate what they have, or how they are allowed to keep it....such is life, i suppose

Dr Brasso...