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I never really get why "emo" kids have such a bad rep, but then I don't
think I've ever come across one. Perhaps its an American thing.

I listen to a load of music that could be called emo (Alkaline Trio,
Dashboard Confessional, The Get Up Kids, Motion City Soundtrack, Saves
The Day, pretty much anything on Vagrant Records etc...), and have
mates that do the same. I mean, is there something inherently wrong
with music being emotional? I absolutely hate when, because I listen to
certain types of music, some random internet person who knows f**k all
about me thinks they can label me as something like "emo". I also
listen to ska, punk, rock, and enjoy plenty of other genres, and I've
never really been mocked for any of those. Emo on the other hand, even
for people who can't name a single band of that genre, seems to be met
with complete distaste. Maybe there are some people out there that read
too much into emo music, and are overly emotional wrecks with bad
fashion sense, but thats hardly the fault of the bands and shouldn't
condemn everybody who listens to them to some crappy stereotype.

Well put. I too never understood the whole anti-emo
backlash. It's funny how people criticize them for being sheep by
following the cookie-cutter "emo" mold... but it's almost hypocritical
becuase bashing "emo" kids seems like a safe and cool thing to
do. Like if they paint a bad enough picture no one will stand up
for them.

I personally have never ever thought of myself as emo, even though I
did go through a phase a few years ago where I listened exclusively to
bands of the genre. The music never spilled over into the way I
lived my life, and it definitely didn't change my emotional level.

Hmm this post is rambling now, but I just wanted to second what Reno said.

I think the snarkpit has learned a wonderful lesson today , when
somebody freaks out on the forums , just act like nothing happened and
let Lep slaughter em.

it always makes me smile when somebody gets rightously chewed out.

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I don't have anything wrong with emo kids in general, mostly because
they just sit in corners and cry all day and don't bother you.
However, there are certain ones who will walk up to you and start
conversations about how much their life sucks. I know this from
personal experience, my school is full of them.

I hadn't realized that "Emo" was a reference to a certain group of teenagers, and I've only recently heard the term in reference to music. The only band I've heard to which this label was applied was Brighteyes, and I must say, I hate that stuff. That's not to say all "Emo" music is bad, but the ragged "I'm about to cry" vocals that Brighteyes seems to favor is like shards of broken glass prodding my eardrums. Then again, I'm a metal fan, so I probably have a warped taste in music. However, I'll have to check out some of those bands you mention, ReNo, before I decide to crap on the whole genre.

Whatever the case, I'm not convinced that Emo can be equated to n00b. It seems to me that, from you description, emo kids are simply displaying the usual moody attitude that is endemic to teenagers. They are desperately trying to belong to a particular group of peers, and if that group is perceived as the down-trodden superior race, well, so much the better for the teenage psyche. The key difference here is that n00bs do not form a social group that is mutually supporting or self-perpetuating. N00bs are loaners that are each to some degree unique and spontaneously developing. Certainly they have common features, but they don't band together... oh god. What a horrible thought! There is, praise the net-god, no culture of n00bs. At least, I hope there isn't!

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

amen

heh, i agree theres a large difference between newbie and noob. newbie
is someone that is willing to listen and learn, answer questions as
best they can and be sensible, a noob is the complete opposite,

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Well, since I started this, I ought to clarify what I meant when I said Emo.

Not the music. I don't care for it, but I don't hate it, and everyone now and then I actually like some of it. Not often. Emo is a type of music AND a type of person, not always at the same time.

The Emo I'm talking about is what I like to refer to as "Things are taking a turn for the purse", or "Teenage boys who wear their sister's clothes and cry almost 24/7 about nothing at all". I'm referring to the near complete loss of masculinity in the men of our culture, which seems to be only here in America. I don't have a problem with homosexuals at all, because they are homosexuals. They are what they are and everyone understands that. Emo boys, on the other hand, threaten to make "pathetic demasculinized cross dresser" the accepted standard for what a man is supposed to be (read: we are our mother's sons). I fear it.

So, for those of you who were getting a little defensive about your musical preferences, don't worry. It's not about that at all.

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There is no smoke without fire: I don't think "emo" people are complete fakers, why would they do it? There's probably a problem somewhere in their lives, and they're over-reacting or they cannot handle it, or they're too emotional... In any case, I don't see a reason to hate them. And even if they think they're some kind of tortured artist with a miserable life, why should it bother us?

The only thing that I hate is when someone acts like an "asshole"; like starting to insult our favorite forum for not understanding how it works. He can be a "noob" or an "emo" or a "goth" as much as he likes, just don't be an "asshole" please.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Coestar</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>I'm referring to the near complete loss of masculinity in the men of our culture, which seems to be only here in America.[/quote]

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
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Let me elaborate on that just a bit. This all is a SERIOUS problem in out area. It's a small-town hick area, or always used to be. Now more pop-culture stuff is being introduced and people are going overboard. I don't know if it's like this anywhere else, but its rampant here, and apparently where Coestar lives too.

If you want to be a "cool" male, you must be completely feminine now! The idea of being "manly" is so uncool now because of the boybands and these emo douchebags! When i was in High School not too long ago, the "cool" guys started shaving thier arms, legs, chests, backs, pubic areas, and just about anything else that had hair besides the top of thier heads! They started wearing more "metro-sexual" clothing.

It really is true about the demasculinization of american iconography. A while back you could see the major males looked like GUYS. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger, he was really muscular and had the epitome of masculinity for a face; square jaw accentuated brow and all that stuff.

Now the popular males are pierced-eared, fox-faced, slender-jawed, hairless, frosted-haired, abercrombie advert material! It's disgusting. You won't see one chest hair on American TV, and it's giving women the wrong idea of what men REALLY look like (kinda like shaven female porn ppl). So naturally, any of the men who DON'T happen to be hairless like a baby girl feel immense pressure to shave thier chests and legs and other stuff, to be able to attract a girl. Not to mention having to do it so they don't get made fun of in high school.

I would have to shave my entire body every day to be "cool." I fear that pretty soon men shaving thier bodies will become an accepted norm just like women shaving thier legs. It's gonna suck.

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
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I've been called Emo by many people, or angsty or what ever. I
like quite a bit of emo music (I enjoy alot of brighteyes stuff, though
some of it is a little too emo...).

I only gave my view on what i think emo is to most people.

The real thing that bothers me about emo and things like emo are the
fact that they are the anti-culture that evolves into culture.
For instance, Grung from the early 90s was the anti-fashion, it was
ment to mock the way people invested so much time into how they
looked. But is soon becuase the popular fashion, thus becomeing
the thing it was trying to "destroy".

Goths came from british punk, it too was kind of an anti-fashion.
Now it is fashion, kids adobt it becuase they want to be diffrent from
the preps and jocks but infact they just become the dark preps and
jocks.

Sure its bad to lable people, but most of the time they dress and act
like they do because they want that lable. I have no respect for
people that try and fit into a clic becuase they dont have faith in
themselves. When people are "goth" and start to hang with other
people who are goth, that is diffrent, we all want to be around people
like us. Emo kids and what have you, they become a goth or a prep
just to join the club.

as for metro-sexuals, I think the crab people south park sums up what I
think about all that. If my girlfriend wants me to shave my
trouser snake forest, I'll do it, but to change how you are just
becuase you think it will get you some ass... thats just sad.

I've never heard of "emo" before. Having thought about it for a time I agree with Kain here. Emos are people who are in some way desperate, probably unhappy. Although; I'm pretty sure there are emos out there who are able to smile. This is probably just a stigma. Like goths are evil all the time (I know at some who are very friendly); or pot-smokers are stoned all the time. I think these emos just have some issues which can be traced back to education. Like a unhappy childhood, parents not caring about them. They resulted in being outsiders. So they need to compensate all this. One main idea about this is "being diff'rent".
Being how they are is just their way of "finding their way".
You can't expect everybody to be happy all the time, can you?

And the typical emo-style is probably only the kind of style they show in public.

Remember: These are just conclusions I made based on my social understanding. I have no real experience with emo people. I should go for it.

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[size=13]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Century_Emo#Modern_usage_of_the_term_.22emo.22

Here is a link to a definition of emo, helped me understand what the hell everyone is talking about :smile: .

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'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

I was gunna say, everyone here was describing a gothic emo, not an emo. Just look at bands like "My Chemical Romance" etc. Its all music thats all emotional and such. Gothic emos are the ones who dress all black and wear fishnets.

Now in plymouth I've been studying a group of people from afar. There is a big fountain in plymouth, and before, all the gothic kids used to sit around it being "cool". Now I've noticed that the emo kids came along and have pushed the gothic kids to the side of the fountain, and the emos now hold the fountain. Now in retaliation, some of the gothics turned gothic emo, so they could go back to the fountain. Now gothics can't fight or anything- thier only weapon is to stare at you and cut thier own wrists and bleed on you. They have this strange thinking from watching too many wierd films that they will become all powerful uberlords lol.

Emo's nowadays is just the general fashion unfortunately. Emo's love thier sidesweeps too- if you ever see a live video of an emo band on tv, see if you can see anyone who doesn't have a sidesweep. In these situations, the district is known as "sidesweep city".

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-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-

Agree completely with you ReNo, I was labeled as a Goth at my old high
school for wearing a black RHCP hoodie and because at one point when I
was asked what I listen to one of my answers was marilyn manson, little
point they missed was that most of my answers were something corporate,
fallout boy, sum 41, blink 182, the prodigy, reel big fish, simple
plan, new found glory which is hardly gothic....

If I offended anybody, I'd like to say I'm sorry. Hell, I was
called "goth" in high school, though I was probably just guilty by
association.

So lemme narrow it down just as far as I can:

I don't like knowing that the future generations of men are being raised in girl's clothing.

And that's beyond emo, goth, music, etc.

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My maps are stupid.

Future? Dude look at garry glitter and david bowie, it's been going on for ages....

$loth said:
Future? Dude look at garry glitter and david bowie, it's been going on for ages....

Yeah, and anyway, they are far out numbered by the rest of us. If anybody tells me I need to become more feminine, I'll kick them in the nuts with my crampons and shove an ice axe down their throat. I think you're worrying about nothing.

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

I've known one truth goth, and she was one of the nicest people I
knew! She made her own Bahouse and skinny puppy jackets, and put
on really good looking (though way too much) eye shadow and makeup.

Windows 98 said:

As an older member I am a tad bit offended that a picture of a last generation person was used to represent this fella. As I read it, it struck me that he was maybe 12. Why must older people take the brunt of the retaliatory comments whenever a dumb person shows up?

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Well, those are rare around, havent seen many of them.

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pepper design

The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

To all that wussified youth you were talking about, here's a great portal to manhood:

http://askmen.com/

Contains everything useful for a man, from exercising abs to how to treat a woman. :smile: Used to be one of my favorites...

Future? Dude look at garry glitter and david bowie, it's been going on for ages....

Very true, Sloth. The trouble is that Glitter and all the other
nancy-boys of his era were "showbiz" types and therefore "different" -
nowadays, effeminacy seems to be the rule rather than the exception.

I thought I'd never live to see the day when "mens" toiletries were a
multi-billion dollar industry - you know the sort of thing -
moisturising cremes for
sensitive skin and so on - but I have , and it will get worse believe
me: most (not all) lads these days reek like Turkish tart's handbags
with all the ghastly after-shave they drench themselves with (long
before they need a razor, often enough), the hair gel and the chemical
deodorants that form a toxic cloud which can shrivel a fly on the wing

• What on earth is the world coming to? Our forebears will be turning

in their graves.

@ Tracer Bullet - We needn't worry, probably, as we may not
live to see the denouement. In the meantime, do you have spare crampons?

Well myself I use:

Deoderant.

Face washing type stuff so that I don't look like a sterotypical geek with greasy skin.

Shaving foam (don't shave too often).

This tea tree spot thing called "T-zone" because lets be honest, no body likes spots.

And acne cream for my back.

So myself, I do not reek of a turkish tart :razz:

Underdog said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Windows 98</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

As an older member I am a tad bit offended that a picture of a last generation person was used to represent this fella. As I read it, it struck me that he was maybe 12. Why must older people take the brunt of the retaliatory comments whenever a dumb person shows up?</div></div>

That's Garry Underwood, He's a 12-year-old with progeria. Don't make fun of him, he's younger than you.
<DIV class=quotetitle>? posted by Tracer Bullet</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting $loth</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Future? Dude look at garry glitter and david bowie, it's been going on for ages....
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Yeah, and anyway, they are far out numbered by the rest of us. If anybody tells me I need to become more feminine, I'll kick them in the nuts with my crampons and shove an ice axe down their throat. I think you're worrying about nothing.

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YEEEESSSSS! But posturing aside, I'm sure you've noticed that pop-icons are starting more towards femininity and sensitivity and exfoliation and all that s**t.

<DIV class=quotetitle>? posted by $loth</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Well myself I use:
Deoderant.
Face washing type stuff so that I don't look like a sterotypical geek with greasy skin.
Shaving foam (don't shave too often).
This tea tree spot thing called "T-zone" because lets be honest, no body likes spots.
And acne cream for my back.

So myself, I do not reek of a turkish tart :razz:
</DIV>I use:
Shampoo
Axe soap
Anti-perspirant so as not to smell like ass.

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axe soap is great.

I like the comercials with the chicks haging on the pole ^_^

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Nickelplate is my dad

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Need I say more

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Man, look at this thread. I love the pit :smile:

joke:
How many emo boys does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None, they just sit in the dark and cry all the time!!

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
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Yeah, I've heard that one before. Made me laugh for a good long time.

joke: how many noob mappers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

doesn't matter the maps already full bright becuase it has a leak!

ahahahahahh

DrGlass said:
joke: how many noob mappers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

doesn't matter the maps already full bright becuase it has a leak!

ahahahahahh

Alternate answer:

Zero. There are no light sources, just light orginating from empty space.

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

Emo music is annoying. My life probably sucks more than yours, but I dont whine about it, shut the hell up, I dont need to hear your bitching.

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"If you talk at all during this lesson, you have detention. Do you understand?"

• My yr11 Economics teacher

Sounds like something Maddox would say... I like it :smile:

I'm sure maddox has beat up on emo kids?

I liked his thing about the 11 worst songs of 2005

Yeah, that's priceless :biggrin:

Side note, my Maddox shirt (green star model) just arrived. I love it :smile:

is maddox the same is Madedog?

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
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<span style="color: lightblue;">Yes.

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