lamda

well i have been in odense (its a city in denmark) and i ran into a building with the lamda sign and all, but when i walked around the cornor to look closer at it, i found out that it was a danish gay comunity :/...just needed to tell someone

:O I must visit :biggrin:

Maybe Valve got the idea of making Breen gay from visiting this place :wink:

The lamda symbol is a common insignia for gay folk.

News to me! How/why do groups pick an existing "symbol" for themselves?
I don't really seem any obvious reason why lambda would have relevance
to gay people.

News to me too..... The lamda symbol means "life" maybe these gay folk are celebrating life in general.

Maybe they should put fake lambda symbols in HL2: Aftermath that in fact lead to gay bars.

maybe the valve dudes are danish gays :O

/Me tactfully avoids commenting.

See, I am not always a prick :razz:

Oh no! They have to use a different symbol - a big penis maybe - but NOT THE HALF-LIFE LOGO!

Thats not what I meant at all, I just didn't see how it was at all
relevant to the gay community, whereas I did know how it was relevant
to the game Half-Life. But anyway, I went and dug into the definition a
little and found this page...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:Lambda

From there, apparently it does have some relevance, its not just a "randomly chosen symbol".

[size=40]This Greek letter was adopted by the Gay Activist
Alliance in 1970 as a symbol of the gay movement. An ancient Greek
regiment of warriors who carried a flag emblazoned with the lambda
marched into battle with their male lovers. The group was noted for
their fierceness and willingness to fight until death. It became the
symbol of their growing movement of gay liberation. In 1974, the Lambda
was subsequently adopted by the International Gay Rights Congress held
in Edinburgh, Scotland. As their symbol for lesbian and gay rights, the
Lambda has become internationally popular.

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Nice find Reno! :biggrin:

Yeah, did you know that Achilles from the Iliad (made into a movie last year "Troy") is suppose to be gay? Freaking Hollywood had to change the story because of the retarded homophobics in the U.S.

man, i just thought that lambda was a greece letter and the hl symbol, nothing more than that :/

I actually have some pictures i COULD upload if I wasnt too lazy.

But its with danish text, so.. Natus, you'll be their teacher -_____-

:/

satchmo said:
Yeah, did you know that Achilles from the Iliad (made into a movie last year "Troy") is suppose to be gay? Freaking Hollywood had to change the story because of the retarded homophobics in the U.S.

woohoo, let's all gang up on people that ascribe to a certain morality and say they've got some sort of phobia, if that morality somehow differs from our own. like maybe getting all the old people that were raised, taught, indoctinated, to believe that homosexuallity is somehow wrong, and call them retards for it.

very 21st century.

More than just Achilles, Satchmo, but in those times sex between two
males was hugely commonplace. Many in those times had same sex
relationships for fun, while sex with females was reserved for
procreation. Socrates and Plato, both famous Greek philosophers, had
sex more often than not with other men. Alexander the Great, as shown
in the recent movie (which I hear is rubbish), was also gay, and he was
the student of Aristotle, who in turn was the student of Plato (who in
turn was the student of Socrates...all one big happy family eh!). I
read somewhere that Patriclus or whatever Achille's "cousin"'s name is
in the film Troy, was actually his closest lover as opposed to a relative.

so now we have come to the conclusion that he old greece people were gay people...clever gay peepole...

satchmo said:
homophobics

I absolutely hate this word. It is the absolute biggest misnomer in the last 100 years or more.

I thought if someone had a phobia they were suppose to be afraid of it? Not go around and beat the s**t out of them.

I remember a comic on comedy central that said something similar. She said that she thought they were called assholes and not homophobes. Lol funny stuff.

As for the lambda symbol that is new news to me. I don't get why the gay community would want to use that symbol. I thought they used a rainbow or something. Which also has nothing to do with homosexuallity.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting fishy</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>woohoo, let's all gang up on people that ascribe to a certain morality and say they've got some sort of phobia, if that morality somehow differs from our own. like maybe getting all the old people that were raised, taught, indoctinated, to believe that homosexuallity is somehow wrong, and call them retards for it.
very 21st century.

</DIV></DIV>

Screw morality, let's get to the bottom of peoples' dislike for homosexuals: we, having been brought up with a more or less clear picture of what men should be like, react with disgust when we see deviation from that pattern - or, even worse, dissent against it. I'm not saying it's wrong to have that kind of reaction - for example, I don't have a problem with homosexuals as people, of course, but to me, more 'flamboyant' expressions of homosexuality are not the most pleasant sight. Hell, when reading that description of men walking into battles with their gay lovers, I winced a little. It's a fairly normal reaction, I think, if only because that's how we're raised, but one we have to see past in order to treat people how they deserve to be treated - as our equals. I also think that it is more than wrong to construe that kind of reaction as somehow logical, and to dignify it with the title of 'morality.' You wouldn't say that it's wrong to oppose racism because a lot of people were deeply, morally racist for much of human history, no matter how they adopted their opinions - no matter if they were "raised, taught, or indoctrinated" to believe them.

There are a few gays at my school, and there's no more wrong with them than there is with anybody. It might upset me if I saw them going at it, sure, but that's just because of the culture I was raised in.

And yes, "homophobia" is a terrible misnomer. I got a "bad rap," as it were, at my school after publicly saying, during an assembly on bullying, these words: "Saying 'oh my God' doesn't make you religious; saying 'that's gay' doesn't make you homophobic." It's pretty ridiculous and petty to belittle your opposition not by logical argument, but to claim they're just afraid of you on the inside.

I have alteast one gay person in every class I take and I see several of them everyday. I'm use to it now but I still get a little creeped out when I'm standing next to one and they've got their boyfriend/girlfriend with them. I don't care what they do with their personnel time but it annoys me when they bring it out in public. I've got a gay junior on my bus who constantly talks about his boyfriend and he brings PlayGirl magazines with him. I also think its stupid that they have gay parades. I don't care that they are gay and I'm tired of them flaunting it in everyone's face. Of course they are not all like this but there are many of them that are. Other than that I'm pretty tolerant of most things.

They're not flaunting s**t, and if they are, that's their choice. Again, see past your disgust and see them as equals.

EDIT: let me preface this by saying that I have nothing against gay people. I don't want to offend anyone.

I'm annoyed that gay rights groups keep hijacking words and giving them secondary connotations. Gay used to mean happy. Rainbows used to be pretty meterological phenomenon. Lambda used to be a greek letter. Give us back our symbols dammit. :\

They need to make thier lambdas out of gigantic penises. then we can tell the difference.

"gordon Freeman, please report to the giant phallic missile silo in the lambda sector!!"

/me continues to keep my opinions to myself..

this could be the beginning of something new. :smile:

Meh, don't look towards the people you see in the parades as being typical gay people. Hell, it's even a stretch to assume all people who you "know" are gay are even typical homosexuals. Most of us just tend to blend into the background, content with just living our lives out in peace. It's very synonomous to assuming all Christians are hate-mongering attention whores simply by looking at the people who protest abortion clinics and gay rights functions. Some may ascribe to those terms, but the majority of them aren't. It's a generalization and it's pathetic.

Plus, if you think they're "flaunting" their lifestlye by expressing themselves in public, grow up. I get just as uncomfortable watching a straight couple make out as I do a homosexual one, but in neither case are they necessarily "flaunting" it.

I have several Gay men acquaintances. None of them would even be remotely considered "Extremist Gay" the type to flaunt their differences so to speak.

Suffice it to say that all of them are fully cognizant of the differences they express, and to a man go out of their way to not make any situation any more uncomfortable than it is.

I may be one of the worse pricks at the snarkpit about my closed minded views, but I am also one of the most straight forward and open about those differences as well.

Bottomline, I value my current associations far more than my right to express my negativity about Gay's.

thats about all i deem necessary for me to say on the topic.

the only reason that I commented at all was... it was beginning to look as if i were being a worse prick for "flaunting" myself in a cloak of indifference.

/me bows out gracefully.

like Orph, i was born into a generation that was fed on a whole different set of values than those of 'do whatever excites you' that are on offer today. that doesn't mean either of us want to round up gays and burn them in a pit. but no matter, we'd still be labled with, and afflicted by the same all pervasive phobia that affects any dissenters to the new creed, from the fire stokers to the pope. none of whos beliefs can be dignified with the title of 'morals', apparently.

You wouldn't say that it's wrong to oppose racism because a lot of people were deeply, morally racist for much of human history, no matter how they adopted their opinions - no matter if they were "raised, taught, or indoctrinated" to believe them.

i'm not against racism, but i am against people being treated unfairly. in simple terms, if i have a fondness for sex with a 30 stone black women, that's no-one elses business, but i should pay her the same as i would a white women.

Off topic a bit:

I am watching a show on TV currently, and some interesting statistics were just mentioned.

Suicides out number homicides.. always has.
Suicides by the rich far outnumber suicides by the poor.
1/3 of all teenage suicides are gay.

there is a message in those stats :sad:

but i am against people being treated unfairly

Therefore you must support gay marriage. They deserve the same recognition and privilege that the rest of the society takes for granted.

satchmo said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>but i am against people being treated unfairly

Therefore you must support gay marriage. They deserve the same recognition and privilege that the rest of the society takes for granted.

</div></div>

bulls**t.. ahem sorry, but you guys are gonna..

must resist.. /me must.

Off topic a bit:
I am watching a show on TV currently, and some interesting statistics were just mentioned.
Suicides out number homicides.. always has.
Suicides by the rich far outnumber suicides by the poor.
1/3 of all teenage suicides are gay.
there is a message in those stats :sad:

You're right, there is something to be said about this. You've said yourself that you'd most likely disown a child if he/she were gay. Why would you do that, and what effect do you think that would have on the kid? I'm sure their self-esteem and sense of worth would just skyrocket. And before you say there may not be a correlation, keep in mind there is no way as of yet to biologically prove someone is gay. So, this leads me to believe that that 1/3 had come out to at least someone. Just something to keep in mind.

there were 3 vital statistics in that posting. I can understand why you zoned in on the one, but i only typed it as it was said on the show. I did not make it up.

furthermore, for my part, i think the first two stats are the important two. gays IMO are not quite so important. alive, or dead.

sorry if that sounds evil, but my thinking was the first two examples, the third.. was just part of the show.

my personal belief system, is not up for debate, nor judgment from anyone within this community. I do understand that we all must follow our own paths, and would ask that i be permitted to follow mine without anyone thinking there must be a better one.

if you would like, i can edit out the third stat, it is the least important of the three..

My advice, for what its worth, if you do not want this thread/topic to degrade any further, find someone else's comments to use for an example to keep it going.

My views are not looked upon favorably, and no matter how tactful i reply, they will still be insulting to many.

I do not have any problems discussing the topic, but I do have a problem with people whom cannot accept that I have every right to believe exactly how I do.

So, lets please keep this civil, unless you are truly prepared for the outcome.

fishy said:
i'm not against racism, but i am against people being treated unfairly. in simple terms, if i have a fondness for sex with a 30 stone black women, that's no-one elses business, but i should pay her the same as i would a white women.

Before I begin, I'd like to say: no offense, but that's the strangest, most indecipherable metaphor I have ever seen written anywhere at any place or time in my life, including in poetry - and my favorite poet is T.S. Eliot.

It is in no way preposterous to voice dissent against principles you disagree with regardless of how long they've been around. I admonish neither homosexuals nor "homophobes" (again, I dislike the term), but I do disagree with the latter. I don't intend for this to turn into a nasty conversation.

Cass, i think fish was making a joke. disregard the entire paragraph all except the last sentence.

at least, thats how i took it to mean.

in other words, its all pink on the inside and deserves equal pay.

[edit] with that said, /me is off to nite-nite land.

be good all :smile:

I understood.

And yeah, they're all the same color if the lights are low enough

Actually, unless you've got MAJOR problems EVERYONE is pink on the inside! (for the most part.) But i still need someone to bash, and i still need someone to pick the materials for my textile mills. Until we can subvert the Vortigaunts I see no other option.

Actually i'm just f**kin' with you. I have a thing for asian women. what?

Orph, the reason I chose that statistic to comment on was mainly because I've been in a few of these arguments before, and that statistic is often used as a reasoning on why the "gay lifestyle" is so abhorent. As in, why would anyone chose to live a life that increases their odd of suicide.

So if you didn't actually mean to post that as an attack or a defense of your side, then I don't have a problem. But, since you seemed to interject that little tidbit of info in a discussion on this topic, you might be able to see how it could have been taken in the wrong way. If not, then I think you should take your own advice and just re-read what you posted in the context of the current conversation.

Monkee.. I swear to you it was 100% coincidence. At the time this show was on. I was thinking, "what a coincidence, we have a thread marginally similar". I could have just as easily posted those stats in my thread about parenting, since it had a few replies concerning "teens" but reconsidered cause I just happen to click on this topic first.

You know me, I have been a prude about this topic for ages, but.. I have not gone out of my way to be evil about it. I do have a modicum of manners, at least I have enough not to totally disrupt the entire forum. This topic could very easily degenerate into such.

On a more serious note. My thinking was truly about the first two stats. I cannot help thinking " Poor rich people, they have not been taught to deal with life's many hardships and resorting to suicide is their only option" :rolleyes: and " You would think, with the rise of the acceptance of personal anger issues that homicides would far outstrip suicides"

In each of those two, I was genuinely shocked when the guy mentioned the stat. The third? well, it was neither a shock nor a surprise TBH, but he said it all in one breath so I included it verbatim as he said it for accuracy.

My goal was not to "win" or "prove" a point, but to just post an incidental. You and I are always gonna be on opposite sides of this, but I do feel that we do not have to be hostile about it. I do try to be........ well I try to be sympathetic to your feelings. At least as much as I am able and still express myself honestly.

[edit] stupid link timed out. :sad: this is the program I was watching.

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Cassius said:
They're not flaunting s**t, and if they are, that's their choice. Again, see past your disgust and see them as equals.

Read my post again dilhole. I'm not disgusted by it I just don't care whether they are gay or not. I get tired of the constant flaunting of it which some of them do do a lot. I've seen many many gay people and they are not all like this but like I said some of them are.

Yeah, did you know that Achilles from the Iliad (made into a
movie last year "Troy") is suppose to be gay? Freaking Hollywood had to
change the story because of the retarded homophobics in the U.S.

sad.

KoRnFlakes said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Yeah, did you know that Achilles from the Iliad (made into a movie last year "Troy") is suppose to be gay? Freaking Hollywood had to change the story because of the retarded homophobics in the U.S.

sad.
</div></div>

the proper term is "was".. was supposed to be gay, and its not sad, its proper thinking. why would anyone deliberately portray someone in that light without irrefutable proof?

if i were to make a movie about a legend, i would try to stick to the pertinent facts, not something that has no real way to prove. besides, it is my understanding that homosexuality was not considered "as wrong" back then as it is now, so it wouldn't be to difficult to prove. and since its still more/less unproven.. its more than likely false.

Given that the Iliad doesn't say Achilles was gay (it was later works that elaborated on the story that pointed this out) and more to the point, he's a fictional character, what does it matter?!

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting satchmo</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>but i am against people being treated unfairly </DIV></DIV>

Therefore you must support gay marriage. They deserve the same recognition and privilege that the rest of the society takes for granted.

</DIV></DIV>

i don't follow your reasoning. why must i support the erosion of thousands of years of spiritual teachings?

i could use my golfing analogy, but......

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Cassius</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>that's the strangest, most indecipherable metaphor I have ever seen written anywhere at any place or time in my life, including in poetry </DIV></DIV>

i thought your choice was just as odd, which seemed to be saying it was perfectly valid to challenge values that have been in place for much of human history. i don't disagree with that, but it's just that the thread seemed to be saying that much of human history, from the greatest philosophers to the mightiest armies, have at least accepted, if not embraced, homosexuallity.

we can only judge others by our own standards, and by my standards, homosexuallity is an abhorrent concept. heh, /me bad. now i can't, and wont apologize for that, because it's true, that's how i feel. i'm also fully aware that there are plenty of gay men an women that feel the exact same way about hetro sex. so to be fair, i wouldn't label them as 'scared of the beard hetrophobes' rather than gays, and want an apology or change of attitude from them.

i also think that hanging a dead cow upside down on a hook for the slaughterman to cut it's throat and drain its blood is pretty abhorrent, but i still love a nice burger.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting fishy</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>we can only judge others by our own standards, and by my standards, homosexuallity is an abhorent concept. heh, /me bad. now i can't, and wont apologize for that, because it's true, that's how i feel. i'm also fully aware that there are plenty of gay men an women that feel the exact same way about hetro sex. so to be fair, i wouldn't label them as 'scared of the beard hetrophobes' rather than gays, and want an apology or change of attitude from them.</DIV></DIV>

I used to feel the same way, until I met seveeral gay people at University, where I realised that they're usually normal, decent people, unless anti-gay views have made them stay in the closest and affected their confidence and social skils. They can't help the way they feel any more than you can help being straight- many of them do lead a hetero life at some point, but find that it just doesn't work out- and could you force yourself to change your sexuality? It shouldn't really be viewed as any more abhorrent than someone with a genetic disfiguring disorder, or a missing limb, or behavioural problems from a bad upbringing - yes it's different from the norm, but it's not their fault or anything they can do anything about, and it's not going to hurt anyone in any way.

With regards to marriage, who cares? I'm not Christian and I don't think many people here are, so what's the problem with the state viewing them as a couple and allowing them to define property, wills etc. easier? Worried about which one you called Mr or Mrs, are we? Yes, any children they have need to have influences from both sexes in their life, but unless they're shipped off to some single-sex-island they'll get that in their life, somehow. Besides, hetero couples still manage to churn out homo children!

/says a rampant heterosexual male who's managed to get over his homophobia!

/not meant to be a dig at anyone in particular, especialy fishy

PS now camp people, gay or not, realllly piss me off... damn them and their chihuahuas and mincing about!

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Leperous</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting fishy</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>we can only judge others by our own standards, and by my standards, homosexuallity is an abhorrent concept. heh, /me bad. now i can't, and wont apologize for that, because it's true, that's how i feel. i'm also fully aware that there are plenty of gay men an women that feel the exact same way about hetro sex. so to be fair, i wouldn't label them as 'scared of the beard hetrophobes' rather than gays, and want an apology or change of attitude from them.</DIV></DIV>

I used to feel the same way, until I met seveeral gay people at University, where I realised that they're usually normal, decent people

</DIV></DIV>

i know it wasn't a dig, and nothing i've seen or posted here has been. but i can't help but get the feeling that i'm being misunderstood a little. just because i think that the defining act of [male]homosexuallity is something abhorrent, doesn't mean i think there is something abnormal or indecent about people who don't. each to their own, horses for courses etc. but none for me, thanks very much.

Okay, here's the pictures..



"Blub?" you say..

The sentence "B?sser og Lesbiske p? Fyn" means "FAggots & Lesbians at Fyn*"

*Danish island.

wee we got translations...and pictures, raymad is such a good photographer :/