The 911 Scholars for Truth got air time...almost two hours!

This is the "smoking gun" we've been waiting for.

It's very good.

And by the way, there was debris from 911 that WAS finally tested AND it tested positive for thermate (ther?mate -n. a mixture of thermite and other oxidizing agents used as filling for incendiary munitions), which is thermite with sulpher added.

It cuts right through metal like a knife through butter...better to bring down big, tall soaring sky scrapers right down into to their footprint.

You can also see the presentation on CSPAN's website, page down under Video/Audio to the link - Theories about 9-11 (American Perspectives).

http://www.c-span.org/

The government not only had foreknowledge of 911? They actually orchestrated and carried out the attack.

The twin towers were demolished with explosives, not jet fuel and fire. http://www.erichufschmid.net/AreTheCriminalsFrightened.wmv 12 minute video clip, let it load

No boeing 757 hit the pentagon, it was most likely a drone or cruise missile. here is a 4 minute video. http://www.blackcatsdomain.com/BCD%20Movies/conspiracy%20movies/pentagon121.swf let it load for a good 30 seconds.

911 is being used as a pretext to up the police state in America and for war with innocent sovereign nations. Osama denied involvement in 911 (confession tape is fake). We bombed Afghanistan and Iraq based on inconclusive evidence.
Part-I
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__1_of_3_.wmv
Part-II
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/alex_jones_-_martial_law_911__2_of_3_.wmv
Part-III
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/martial_law_p03_bb.wmv
Martial Law 911 Rise of the Police State. (Watch Michael Moore run away from Alex 34 minutes into clip 1)

Face it... we are being lied to and conditioned on a massive media scale by the controlled corporate media with these fear based terror campaigns. The mainstream media will not expose the crimes of the government and will even attack or attempt to discredit sites that expose them. (popular mechanics is a joke)
George Orwell once said that "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194

[color=#800080]http://www.st911.org
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.reopen911.org
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.question911.com[/color] for videos
http://youtube.com/watch?v=psP_9RE0V2I

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
http://thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/nwo/fake_osama_b_caught_on_tape.jpg

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Condemnation without Investigation is the Highest Form of Ignorance!

Thank god I dont live in USA :/
Darn interesting stuff though.

Interesting coincidence: I watched "Loose Change" (second edition) two nights ago... I found it on Google Video and wanted to see what it was about. It was an hour and a half or so, so I just decided to watch the first few minutes of it to see what it was about.. I ended up watching the whole thing. It was really interesting.

I've never doubted the "government's story" until I watched Loose Change two nights ago; that video presented a ton of curious facts..

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Loose Change is bulls**t. Interesting bulls**t, but still bulls**t.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

It's simple logic: Why should a government bomb 3 valuable national symbols in the name of an international terror organisation? It's not worth the effort. There are much more efficient ways of manipulating people.

It would have taken hundereds of people to plan this. More than you could ever find and silence. It's like saying it was the tower who hit the plane.

No CSI crap can disprove this salient lack of logic. :rolleyes:

What is it with everyone and Loose Change all of a sudden? Right. Maddox. I forgot.

It's simple logic: Why should a government bomb 3 valuable national symbols in the name of an international terror organisation? It's not worth the effort. There are much more efficient ways of manipulating people.

Wrong. It's incredibly effective. Think about it. What has George Bush lost through all this? A few thousand lives? That's a piss tiny amount to give up for what he's been able to do. He's gotten the support of his people so much that he can start wars for no reason. People are voluntarily fighting and dying for a cause that's fake. He's started nation wide hatred towards these people, he's been able to take away the freedoms and liberties of American citizens because they think there's a real threat out there. America, land of the free, is slowly turning into a fascist nation.

Inefficient? My ass.

Loose Change is bulls**t. Interesting bulls**t, but still bulls**t.

Quoted for truth. From what I know of, a lot of the "evidence" in LC can be disproved or descredited to an extent. Co-incidentally, LC is also very biased about it being a government conspiracy, and doesn't really seem to go into or consider anything else even remotely possible.

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What is it with everyone and Loose Change all of a sudden? Right. Maddox. I forgot.

Exactly. :biggrin:

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People are voluntarily fighting and dying for a cause that's fake.

I was living under the impression that they're fighting because they're
soldiers and it's their duty to do it, not because they agree with
Bush's politics.

FFS, there is NO conspiracy regarding the 9/11 events. Why the HECK
would Bush or anyone else blow up the WTC towers and several thousand
people along with them when all they had to do was blow-up an abandoned
warehouse in, say, Boston, declare that it was a terrorist attack, say
that some 500 people died in the explosion, repeat this strategy
several times while pump-ing up the figures, declaring thousands dead,
many more wounded, perhaps even that small nukes were used etc. Then
use the propaganda machine to sead more feer among the populance, you
know, terrified rumors of genocide in Wiscounsin, millions dead in
Alabama , and voila'
:instant panic!

The NSA would love me :biggrin: .

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Crono</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Loose Change is bulls**t. Interesting bulls**t, but still bulls**t.</DIV></DIV>

did you see the outline of a 747 drawn over the hole in the pentagon? show me a man that can look at that and still claim a 747 made the hole, and i'll show you a man that i wouldn't trust with a pointy stick, never mind a big red button.

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i eat paint

Maybe the drawn outline was faked. And was it a 747? I thought 737s
were used. Besides, it wasn't just the impact itself, the kerosene and
the shockwave sent through the entire building probably weakened it's
entire structure.

Also, afaik the pentagon isn't a single huge solid building, it's in
fact a series of long and fairly narrow parallel buildings (about 5)
that form the shape of a pentagon that are pretty easy to break through.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&q=stupid

maybe not a 747, but i do remember that the engines were 7 tons of titanium each, and should have broken a window at least ......

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True, some windows look intact, but I assume the pentagon uses Plexiglas for their windows?

FFS, there is NO conspiracy regarding the 9/11 events. Why the HECK
would Bush or anyone else blow up the WTC towers and several thousand
people along with them when all they had to do was blow-up an abandoned
warehouse in, say, Boston, declare that it was a terrorist attack, say
that some 500 people died in the explosion, repeat this strategy
several times while pump-ing up the figures, declaring thousands dead,
many more wounded, perhaps even that small nukes were used etc. Then
use the propaganda machine to sead more feer among the populance, you
know, terrified rumors of genocide in Wiscounsin, millions dead in
Alabama , and voila'

No... if they blew up an abandoned warehouse, then it couldn't have been a terrorist attack, and nobody would be afraid. What terrorist attacks abandoned warehouses?

Think about it. It's the World Trade Center. It's more than 2 buildings, it's a symbol. Bam, they're gone. Woud people feel the same about a warehouse? No. Your idea is retarded.

True, some windows look intact, but I assume the pentagon uses Plexiglas for their windows?

And that stops a full speed jet how?

Feels weird to be able to talk about this on some other forums where not allowed polotical discussions

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Why Do we all have to wear these ridiculous ties

I wouldn't put it past the US government to stage something like 9/11.

To further French's arguement, not only were the trade centres huge and highly recogniseable, a symbol; but also they were filled with thousands of people. Nothing unites a nation towards a common goal like human tragedy, particularly something as big as 9/11, where people from all around the US, and the world, were affected in some way. The fact that this was an "attack" rather than a natural disaster also means people got really angry. With the blame pointed clearly at terrorists it united the entire country behind Bush, giving him the ability to push through whatever he wanted. Also he simply has to say he's doing something to stop another 9/11, and people won't stand in his way, no matter what he does. At least the idiots won't.

While a lot of the evidence is dubious or purely coincidental, a lot of it also makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Hopefully this doco will end up on youtube or something because I wouldn't mind watching it.

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http://www.hamandjam.org

'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

No... if they blew up an abandoned warehouse, then it
couldn't have been a terrorist attack, and nobody would be afraid. What
terrorist attacks abandoned warehouses?

Think about it. It's the
World Trade Center. It's more than 2 buildings, it's a symbol. Bam,
they're gone. Woud people feel the same about a warehouse? No. Your
idea is retarded.

Weren't you paying attention? They would blow-up a random abandoned
building and claim that hundreds were killed in the event. The
warehouse was just an example. It wouldn't have been as serious as the
WTC attacks but if you staged several fake attacks all over the US and
claim that thousands had been killed and use the media to spread
rumours, then you'd have a nice clean conspiracy.

Whatever. Believe what you want.

@agent smith

Oh so if something happens that favors Joe, it's a coincidence, but if something happens to favor Bush, it's a conspiracy?

Honestly, guys.

Honestly, if you blew up an empty building and claimed 500 people died, and then had no bodies to show for it etc., it would fail. Your plan sucks, get over it, it wouldn't work, get over it, people wouldn't believe that a terrorist attacked a warehouse because they attack symbols, get over it, Bush lost absolutely nothing by attacking his own citizens, get over it, Bush made you so pissed off about it that you'll believe it, get over it.

You can seriuosly babble all the "get over it" you want, but I'm going to believe it was a terrorist attack.

Get over it.

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

Plexiglass (most plastic for that matter) doesn't shatter. Glass shatters. Plexiglass windows don't shatter due to a building being rattled, or strong winds, or sonic whateverthehell.

Furthermore, the world trade center was designed to fall into itself, layer by layer, in the event of demolition, which could cause smoke dust, and debris to fly out of the window of a story, right before it collapses, as the falling rubble pushes air out of the building through the windows. (The bombs on each floor theory.)

That's two for the non-conspiracy people.

Simultaneously orchestrated, well-planned attacks on major buildings, which are supposed to be well protected, is a much better plan than attacking smaller, inconsequential structures, no matter how many. Besides, if attacks continue, it means that the government isn't doing its job (protecting its citizens), if only one attack occurs, no one could've known/done anything about it (supposedly). By the way, mixing in a segment where the plans were foiled inspires patriotism.

There was no collosal rut in the grass outside of the Pentagon. despite a plane supposedly crashing into it.

Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. It does, however, burn hot enough to increase the maleability of steel, making it unable to support the weight of the building. Add the extra force of moving rubble smashing down onto the lower levels, and the steel on those levels would bend and break, and the process continues. Rubble would fly each time the collapse took another level, but the increased weight of an added floor would cancel that.

The pod theory very well could be shadows.
The remote control theory isn't plausible.

But just because one moron (like in the link) makes up some arbitrary theory, doesn't mean that the contrary theory is true either.

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

...who's side are you on?

Andrei said:
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<div class="quotetext">People are voluntarily fighting and dying for a cause that's fake.

I was living under the impression that they're fighting because they're soldiers and it's their duty to do it, not because they agree with Bush's politics.

</div></div>

Well, for one thing the US has an all volunteer army. After 9/11 there was a palpable swell in patriotism, and I don't have any figures, but I have friends that joined the army because of the attacks. I'm not saying its a conspiracy, but with recruitment faltering, and military becoming a much less popular career choice for most Americans, the 9/11 attacks did wonders for recruitment. Not saying Bush planned it, but he certainly benefitted from it.

Let's not forget that every first term president wants one thing: a second term.

Would Bush have been able to win reelection if we weren't in the middle of two wars? Would he have been able to win reelection if he wasn't seen as making important and swift decisions during a time of instability and uncertainty?

I dunno. I would say probably not.

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...who's side are you on?

On the side of the skeptics, neither.
It makes for one hell of a vantage point

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

Ah, indeed. I think the American government knew something was going down. They may not have done the attacking, but they definitely didn't act on what they knew, imo.

I'm not saying I go one way or another, I'm merely pointing out that if Bush, or anyone else for that matter, was going to attack their own country for their own agenda then something as sensational and as crushing as 9/11 would be the perfect way to do it. Do you think the people of America would have gone along with even half of what has happened since 9/11 if it had never happened. I certainly don't.

Oh, and as already pointed out blowing up some warehouse and claiming hundreds of people were killed would require more effort than 9/11. Can you imagine trying to fabricate entire families for a bunch of people that supposedly died but really never existed. Don't forget the US has plenty of black ops people specifically trained to perform operations just like 9/11, people who are absolutely loyal to their country and have no qualms about killing some of its innocent citizens for the percieved greater good. It's much easier to cover up something like that than fabricating hundreds of dead people and their families.

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http://www.hamandjam.org

'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

Maybe the drawn outline was faked. And was it a 747? I thought 737s
were used. Besides, it wasn't just the impact itself, the kerosene and
the shockwave sent through the entire building probably weakened it's
entire structure.

Also, afaik the pentagon isn't a single huge solid building, it's in
fact a series of long and fairly narrow parallel buildings (about 5)
that form the shape of a pentagon that are pretty easy to break through.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523&q=stupid

Well, I could say, Penn and Teller are just magicians. And that attacking people's credibility isn't a very good way to make your argument. They say that all of the "conspiracy theories" (read: not believing every f**king thing you're told by the government and state-controlled media) surrounding 9/11, are bulls**t, without providing any evidence backing up their point. It's physically impossible for kerosene to vaporize 7 tons of titanium like the engines of a 737. That's what the official story is. I repeat, the official story is that kerosene vaporized 7 tons of titanium.

Penn and Teller, since you're so fond of using the F-bomb to attack people you don't agree with, f**k YOU.

When planes crash they leave lots of f**king debris, a Boeing 737 weighs about 41,000kg (about 90,000lbs) empty, when you look at photos of the Pentagon right after the plane hit, does it look like 45 f**king tons of commercial jet liner just crashed into it?

Then there's the fact that no steel structure building has ever collapsed from fire. EVER. Except the three buildings that collapsed in NYC on 9/11/01. Buildings have burned for days, but the fire didn't weaken the steel, it takes a lot of force to take down a steel building. But what does it even f**king matter, people have their own reasons to live in a fantasy world where the government is infallable. F**K.

EDIT: Operation Northwoods
Until you research what it is you're talking about, f**k off.

EDIT: Larry Silverstein, holder of the lease for all three of the WTC buildings that fell, made billions of dollars in insurance money. He appeared on PBS shortly after 9/11 stating that they had decided to "pull" building 7, but the 9/11 commision's report says it fell because of the minor fires caused by falling debris from the other towers. There's also evidence now that spent thermate was present in the wreckage of the WTC towers. Thermate can burn through steel. Kerosene cannot.

I don't want to convince anyone of my view, I want people to look for themselves instead of getting their opinion from magicians who want to convince people of their view.

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Ah, indeed. I think the American government knew something was
going down. They may not have done the attacking, but they definitely
didn't act on what they knew, imo.

That's a lot more moderate attitude than waving and shouting that Bush
flew planes into the towers. He's an asshole, but not that insane.

And they did know. Both the
NSA and the CIA had hints that something was going to happen but didn't
act on it. God, I have gone to the dark side.

You are, because it's a dumb idea.

<div style="text-align: justify;">[rant]<br style="text-decoration: line-through;"><span style="text-decoration: line-through; color: gray;">
I'll leave it to this: if the government and several TV channels
declared today that 500 people had been killed in LA by an out of
control power-tool, who would Joe and Sam be to say otherwise? You say
we believe the media and the govt blindly? Then my plan would work
without needing a single corpse becuase like you said many like to believe any explanation the government provides. It would work, get over it. I even used your own arguments.

</span><span style="color: gray;">[\rant]</span>

Just forget it, I don't feel like starting a flamewar over your beliefs. Peace.

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<div style="text-align: justify;">Just forget it, I don't feel like starting a flamewar (today). Peace.

</div>

Wacky, i went to quote you and I got your original un-edited post.

As such, since this surely can't be a fluke but rather the very will of
God, I'll have to reply just to point out that not everyone believes
Fox news, and that any journalist worth his salt would a) go and check
it out since it would be a big story and b) report the fact that there
were no bodies, families or lives behind the victims. Also people do
read newspapers.

I'll re-iterate: it would be easier to cause the real deaths and cover
it up then faking the deaths and then faking the lives and families of
the supposed victims.

But thats supposing the US government did do it. I don't support either
way since they are both sketchy and lacking evidence, I'm merely
pointing out that it would have been entirely possible for the US
government to stage the 9/11 attacks in order to gain political support
and the moral imperative in the US.

Now its done :smile: .

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'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

so if the fuel can vapourize the engines, why dont they at least melt a little with normal use?

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i eat paint

Afaik the flame doesn't actually touch the surface of the engine before
being evacuated, not sure though. You might have a point. 8)

As such, since this surely can't be a fluke but rather the very will of
God, I'll have to reply just to point out that not everyone believes
Fox news, and that any journalist worth his salt would a) go and check
it out since it would be a big story and b) report the fact that there
were no bodies, families or lives behind the victims. Also people do
read newspapers.

Well if you can afford to blow up 3000 people surely you can afford to
impose tight media control and isolate an area for some random reason?

Well if you can afford to blow up 3000 people surely you can afford to
impose tight media control and isolate an area for some random reason?

Ugh, no you can't. Money can't buy everything, and one of those things is still the media (to a very limited degree). People enjoy being able to make money off of free hard-hitting action (news). It's not that easy to buy a media source.

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

Communism 0, Democracy 1, then.

Fascism 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999....
:sad:

<div style="text-align: right;">Please do not place fascism and bushism on the same level. Thank you.

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There was a discussion about the movie made by the guy from bowling for columbia on an other forum concerning 911.

1. The plane that hit WTC was supposed to fire a missle, i doubt anyone could hang a missle to a airliner without special equipment.

2. The plane is awfull reflective, so it is more likely it was a reflection from the sun.

planes hitting the pentagon.

kerosine doesnt burn steel, otherwise i wouldnt enjoy getting into a jetranger, wich has temperatures over 800C when engaging N2.

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RUST Gamedesign
pepper design

The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

Thanks guys I reached my quota of idiotic drivel for today. Perhaps a few more foreigners would like to weigh in on US domestic events, seeing as they can't be tainted by Fox News. :rolleyes:

Perhaps a few more foreigners would like to weigh in on US domestic events.

<span style="color: lightblue;">Coming from a man whose government weighs the entire world's domestic events.

/runs away fast

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"Condi, the people don't like the iraq war anymore!"

"sigh But I like the statue of liberty..."

Oh Yak, you redneck sepo's make me laugh.

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'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

yes yes I forgot the lunar landing was faked as well, the veils over my eyes have been lifted!

Smith I'm not up to snuff with Australian insults, am I to assume a dingo ate my baby or something?

..so.. the bush administration can plan something as complex as staging a terrorist attack, but not an exit strategy for iraq? maybe you conformist demo-liberals should make up your facking minds.

and btw, hundrds of people planning this charade.. and nobody has leaked a thing? one secret is hard enough for ONE person to keep.

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

That kinda works I suppose, though its a bit dated. To be honest its been a while since I've heard a real good insult against Australians. Feel free to come up with something you deem appropriate :smile: .

To be honest I don't really care if 9/11 was really a terrorist attack or staged by the US government, either way its a major tragedy and something that shouldn't happen in a civilized world. It's a real shame that every day it seems to be coming less and less civilized, with the gun being the problem solver of choice.

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Ham and Jam Contributor
http://www.hamandjam.org

'Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!'

and btw, hundrds of people planning this charade.. and nobody has leaked a thing? one secret is hard enough for ONE person to keep.

Exactly what I'm saying.

If you need a good insult,

c**k-juggling thunder c**t
Monkey spanking wanker

Best insults ever.

If you need a good insult,

c**k-juggling thunder c**t
Monkey spanking wanker

Best insults ever.

Now I feel sorry that I have good imagination... :sad:

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

Those are terrible insults.

Gotta love insulting insults. :razz: