Upon reading the newest issue of "The Nation" (a newsletter meant to politically inform the public of the USA) i found an article showing the Bush is attempting to postpone the 2008 presidential election so he can assure the public that the war against terrorism will be run correctly , if Bush pulls this off all he has to do in the future is keep calling people terrorists and attacking them to stay in office as long as he wants.

Indeed. Btw, what is "The Nation"? Is it seriously just a newletter informing the rest of the world about USA? Because I have noticed USA seems to think the rest of the world is fascinated by there country.

Anyway, Bush is a sucker.

i dont know about the rest of the world, it's meant to inform the USA's public, but yes i agree, as a whole our public is quite arrogant, which is why all of the ignorant members of it can't understand why the rest of the world opposes our being in Iraq

I haven't read said newsletter but I doubt even Bush would risk being called a dictator.

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<DIV class=quotetext>"The Nation" (a newsletter meant to politically inform the public of the USA) </DIV></DIV>

A.K.A.: "Liberal Bullcrap Propaganda."

I bet the back page has an order-form for Birkenstocks and Sweater-vests.

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Clever Nickelplate, clever.

Bush = Hitler - jewish fascination

I'm sick of liberal democrats... problem is I'm equally sick of conservative republicans

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I'm sick of liberal democrats... problem is I'm equally sick of conservative republicans

You must go for the center then!

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Come to the moderates, this is the happy place :smile:

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Although I don't agree that liberalism is necessarily wrong or
inherently bias, I have a problem with publications and news sources
that blatantly misrepresent facts or ideas to suit their own ideals.

The best place for neutral news, strangely enough, is Al Jazeera.

Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Kerry and Bush are cousins. I honestly don't think anything would be much different if Kerry won in 2004. Just look up Skull and Bones and the Bohemian Grove. The government is waging a war of information and propaganda against the people, with the ultimate goal of controlling the flow of information so they can abolish the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and bring the worker caste under their absolute control.

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Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Kerry
and Bush are cousins. I honestly don't think anything would be much
different if Kerry won in 2004. Just look up Skull and Bones and the
Bohemian Grove. The government is waging a war of information and
propaganda against the people, with the ultimate goal of controlling
the flow of information so they can abolish the US Constitution and
Bill of Rights and bring the worker caste under their absolute
control.

MGS2 much?

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Think much?

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<span style="color: silver;">Nickelplate said it perfectly.

Here are two people.... one from each side of the coin I can't stand: http://nwa-disapproves.ytmnd.com/
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<DIV class=quotetext>The best place for neutral news, strangely enough, is Al Jazeera.
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I could never find an online English version.

Labels of liberal or conservative inherently misrepresent whoever they are applied to, and I avoid using them.

First result in searching google with the phrase "Al Jazeera"

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I wouldn't be surprised, if Bush would turn into the first dictator of
US of A. :smile: He just has the majority of stupid peoples balls in his
grasp...

I trust Reuters. :smile: Not blindly, but still.

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I hate politics.

^^Indeed.

And labeling people 'liberal' or 'conservative' is such bulls**t. Like people who won't vote for a liberal no matter what he says. Shouldn't you be worried more about the content and not the labels?

what we need is a good old guns and glory revolution lead by socialists. Problem is that most of the people who bear their constitutionally protected arms hate commies.

personaly I'll stick to bad mouthing the "bad" guys on line.

Nickel i don't know many people who are more conservative and "republican" than you, in fact that's the fact that sir yogi and i were talking about you

here's the problem with you Nickel: if you here something you don't agree with or want to believe is true, whether it is or not, you pull your own s**tty version of putting your hands on your ears and repeating "i'm not listening"; you repetatively attempt to make the person whose proving you ignorant feel stupid and all you succeed in doing is making yourself look like a jackass, proving nothing

if you want to actually be benificial in a debate or argument, whatever you want to call it, how about you try using facts and reason in your comments, then maybe one of these posts will turn into something other than "the people versus Nickel"

besides, your wrong; no birkenstocks, just viagra ads

Stop spreading your propoganda, liberal nazi.

this has nothing to do with being liberal, which i why his post pissed me off so much, it has everything to do with looking behind all of the bulls**t the press and puts up and figuring the truth out for yourselves

I shoulda added /sarcasm tags.

Crono said:
First result in searching google with the phrase "Al Jazeera"

Suck my dick.

baron, you're absolutely right, bush and kerry are of equal rank in the skull and bones, in fact bush senior nominated kerry for membership, if either got president it is possible the same would have happened due to the guiding skull phrase: "a skull before any other", they both would have gotten the same orders

I remember this whole idea sounding familiar to me but thought it was some little known country in the far east/north/west/south parts of the world.

But didn't berlusconi do something very similar with his presidency? Like changing laws to make it impossible to sue him and buying TV stations to get rid of any negative propaganda? I remember seeing something on this since which I cannot think of Italy without that idea of Mafiosi ruling the whole country. And no, I don't mean the usual corruption, I mean Mafia members personally sitting in the top positions of all the important political institiutions.

Italy seems a bit scary to me since then.

FatStrings said:
Nickel i don't know many people who are more conservative and "republican" than you, in fact that's the fact that sir yogi and i were talking about you

here's the problem with you Nickel: if you here something you don't agree with or want to believe is true, whether it is or not, you pull your own s**tty version of putting your hands on your ears and repeating "i'm not listening"; you repetatively attempt to make the person whose proving you ignorant feel stupid and all you succeed in doing is making yourself look like a jackass, proving nothing

if you want to actually be benificial in a debate or argument, whatever you want to call it, how about you try using facts and reason in your comments, then maybe one of these posts will turn into something other than "the people versus Nickel"

I don't see anyone against me in this thread except for you in your "I'm-gonna-tell-him-off-because-I-disagree-with-him" angsty teen post. I must have made you feel stupid for thinking something or another for you to go off like this...

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Why can't we be friends?

because of the damned liberals!

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I prefer freedom to a closed in police state where you can't even die unless your goverment tells you to.

<span style="color: red;">Edit:Forgot a word...</span>

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What I'd like is for people to just be good people and be allowed to do so in such a manner as they would choose. Not for the government to force the donation of my funds to a mismanaged state-funded charity for lazy people who AREN'T being good people.

Pvt Scythe: what if the Government didn't tell you to die? It be cool to live forever. for a while anyway.

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What I'd like is for people to just be good people and be allowed to do so in such a manner as they would choose. Not for the government to force the donation of my funds to a mismanaged state-funded charity for lazy people who AREN'T being good people.

Not everybody recieving social security money is a lazy bastard and in his situation because of his own faults. This of course only if you don't consider being born poor a fault.

Maybe there are many people shamelessly using the system instead of being "good"(?). But that's not a reason to drop all social measures, even for people who have been treated unfairly. It's like wheter you want to live in a system where you have to prove you're guilty or one in which you have to prove you're innocent. I prefere the first.

This is my view on this and I probably live in a quite "liberal" country compared to the US by the way.

FatStrings said:
Nickel i don't know many people who are more conservative and "republican" than you, in fact that's the fact that sir yogi and i were talking about you
here's the problem with you Nickel: if you here something you don't agree with or want to believe is true, whether it is or not, you pull your own s**tty version of putting your hands on your ears and repeating "i'm not listening"; you repetatively attempt to make the person whose proving you ignorant feel stupid and all you succeed in doing is making yourself look like a jackass, proving nothing
if you want to actually be benificial in a debate or argument, whatever you want to call it, how about you try using facts and reason in your comments, then maybe one of these posts will turn into something other than "the people versus Nickel"

I don't see anyone against me in this thread except for you in your "I'm-gonna-tell-him-off-because-I-disagree-with-him" angsty teen post. I must have made you feel stupid for thinking something or another for you to go off like this...

haha, way to perfectly prove his point.

okay, so since I beleive something and won't let people convince me that it's fake, I am just plugging my ears? No. I'm LISTENING, but what you're saying is bulls**t almost every time.

Suck a dick, Frenchy. If I'm right in this one, I'll deal with the consequences of saying that. If you think you're right, then you have nothing else to do but shut the f**k up because we can all say whatever we want.

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And you prove his point even further. Keep digging your hole Nickel.

French Toast said:
And you prove his point even further. Keep digging your hole Nickel.

Yeah! because if I don't agree with YOU, then I must be very stupid indeed! I can't beleive you're still in the 8th grade!! One would think you'd have skipped a few grades by now! Feck off little boy.

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Attacking someone (via their age) instead of the content of their posts is kind of lame.

I don't see how it's different than attacking someone based on sex or race, in general.

The person is obviously, above a particular age that they're able to make choices and observe arguments intelligenty (even if they have an immature generalization), so the age-comment is unfounded and a scape-goat at best.

But, by all means, please continue.

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Okay, here's the deal. I say something that I beleive is true and because more than one person disagrees with me, everyone's just like "well he's obviously ignoring the facts." Just because you read something in a periodical (which IS a liberal paper BTW, i read it today) does not mean that the contents of the article are the truth... Just because Steven Colbert makes fun of something does not REALLY mean that it's false or stupid.

You seem to take everything you hear/see/read seriously and take it as truth, because you want to beleive that it's true. And just because what I beleive is easily made fun of but comedians with thier own news show, doesn't mean that there's nothing to it.

I think age really DOES have somthing to do with it. ORPHEUS!!!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU!!!! I agree with you now. I'm saying it.

"This guy is not as old as me, he has not had my life experiences. he thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows very little. He knows only as much as I knew at that age, and I know how much I knew then and how much I didn't know."

Thanks Orph.

PS I'm done flaming.

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French Toast said:
And you prove his point even further. Keep digging your hole Nickel.

Yeah! because if I don't agree with YOU, then I must be very stupid indeed! I can't beleive you're still in the 8th grade!! One would think you'd have skipped a few grades by now! Feck off little boy.

Okay, I can live with "stop being a c**ksucker", "suck a dick" "grow up" and "you're immature" on IRC, but.. I've probably never seen a lower, more disgusting form of "I'm older than you thus better" on any forum than this. Take your own advice and grow the hell up.

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And to think last time I was around the same argument was raging between a different age bracket.

Nickelplate said:
Okay, here's the deal. I say something that I beleive is true and because more than one person disagrees with me, everyone's just like "well he's obviously ignoring the facts." Just because you read something in a periodical (which IS a liberal paper BTW, i read it today) does not mean that the contents of the article are the truth... Just because Steven Colbert makes fun of something does not REALLY mean that it's false or stupid.

You seem to take everything you hear/see/read seriously and take it as truth, because you want to beleive that it's true. And just because what I beleive is easily made fun of but comedians with thier own news show, doesn't mean that there's nothing to it.

I think age really DOES have somthing to do with it. ORPHEUS!!!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU!!!! I agree with you now. I'm saying it.

"This guy is not as old as me, he has not had my life experiences. he thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows very little. He knows only as much as I knew at that age, and I know how much I knew then and how much I didn't know."

Thanks Orph.

PS I'm done flaming.

French, you've gone and shattered his composure.

enters thread carrying tub of popcorn and box of Jujubes huh? damn I missed it :sad:

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These little community soap-operas are one of the things I love about this place. :heee:

Okay, here's the deal. I say something that I beleive is true and because more than one person disagrees with me, everyone's just like "well he's obviously ignoring the facts." Just because you read something in a periodical (which IS a liberal paper BTW, i read it today) does not mean that the contents of the article are the truth... Just because Steven Colbert makes fun of something does not REALLY mean that it's false or stupid.
You seem to take everything you hear/see/read seriously and take it as truth, because you want to beleive that it's true. And just because what I beleive is easily made fun of but comedians with thier own news show, doesn't mean that there's nothing to it.
I think age really DOES have somthing to do with it. ORPHEUS!!!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU!!!! I agree with you now. I'm saying it.
"This guy is not as old as me, he has not had my life experiences. he thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows very little. He knows only as much as I knew at that age, and I know how much I knew then and how much I didn't know."
Thanks Orph.
PS I'm done flaming.

here's the deal, i'm not just taking everything i read as the truth, here's the deal, you can't just take a view and say it's the truth because you want to believe it, the only way to really know what you're talking about is to look at it from every angle even those you don't agree with, if you go completely closeminded and don't even consider the opposing ones you'll never know if you're right or wrong and you will have no solid ground to base your decision on, it's called ignorance and is not a good trait to have

i listen to the news and what bush says and then i go and read up on what he's really doing behind the scenes, based on what i learn there i then make my decisions, due to bush's previous actions and what he's doing now i find it hard to believe anything he does say, i admit this does make me more than a little biased towards him, but anyone who looks at the facts has to realize he's earned it

I HAVE looked at it from every angle. But I've also looked at those angles from every angle.

Bush is a member of the skull and bones? so what? It's a SMALL minority that has:

• Gone to Yale
• Has a male relative in the society already
• gains political power on a national level.

So, if you think Bush is just taking orders from higher-ups in the organization, what do you think would happen if John Kerry had won the election? He's a Skull-and-Bone, too! He'd obviously done the exact same things, because neither of them can act independantly: they can only do what the bigwigs in the SaB organization tell them.

So yeah, I've considered it. You don't know me. You don't know my life. Fatstrings knows me best out of all of you and he STILL doesn't know that much. I don't think things work out because of what I beleive in or how I think. I think how I do because of the way that things work out.

"This guy is not as old as me, he has not had my life experiences. he thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows very little. He knows only as much as I knew at that age, and I know how much I knew then and how much I didn't know."

You can say that someone hasn't had "your life experiences", but you can't say "he knows very little", regardless of age (within reason). You certainly haven't had a similar life to mine, but who am I to hold that against you? And I certainly can't say with any shred of truth that anyone here "knows very little". Just because you might have been really smart or really stupid at one point doesn't mean that everybody at that age has to be the same exact of smart/stupid and "know how much you knew and how much you didn't know".

Drop the age argument, it's the last resort for a person who has nothing else to argue or support. You've clearly run out of ideas and explanations for your thoughts, why do you need to resort to name calling? I sure as hell hope I haven't had ANY kind of life like yours and never grow up to be so immature when I'm your age.

You don't know me. You don't know my life. Fatstrings knows me best out of all of you and he STILL doesn't know that much.

Why should we have to "know you" in order to see your point of view? If you have a valid point we should all be able to clearly see it, right here, right now. (I'm not particularly following this discussion, just remarking on the necessity of 'knowing you' to see your argument).

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