Now look, this has probley been done heaps before but I would like to
hear your say. What do you like better Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii or
Playstation 3.

Everyone probley knows I like 360. Microsoft is the best and so is
Halo. I would rate Nintendo Wii as second (although it has a s**t name,
really s**t) and Sony's, PS3 last, simply because it is pure s**t.
Whats your say?

VOTE NOW

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[quote=aaron_da_killa]this has probley been done heaps before[/quote]

yep.

[quote=aaron_da_killa]Everyone probley knows I like 360[/quote]
I didn't. Nor do I see the point of having the options 'I love/hate PS3'
and 'I love/hate Wii' considering they aren't even out yet.<br style="font-family: Verdana;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;">
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This thread is completely and unfortunatly without point.

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It needs a, "I hate all 3" button :razz:

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Ok than Mr Dark Tree. Which one do you support or which one do you really not ... support.

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you "support" the console by making purchase of said console and the accessories and games that go with it. I "support" Xbox360, but I am also willing to do the same for other consoles if they are good enough for my saved dollars. I don't whole-heartedly pledge my soul for all eternity to any one console.

I can't hate or love a system when I haven't even seen it yet.
I'm sure all 3 have their advantages and disadvantages.
And how do you know that PS3 or Wii is s**t? what games have you played
on them?

Anything over $500 qualifies as potential s**t.

If I'm paying that much, the damn console better do everything short of taking out the trash. At that much money, I can do major upgrades to my PC.

The price tag is a major part of what you buy.

I have heard that the Wii will have fairly resonable prices, though. At that point, I simply don't have faith that it'll deliver, but I'm more than willing to find out :smile:

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

I will wait a year or so on PS3 and see the games. The price IS
pretty ridiculous, that's what holds me back.

Let us know about the Wii if you get it.
I want to know if the new Zelda game is worth it. I was irritated when they
switched it from GC to Wii.

Maddox - Sony

Sony can lick my sack.

If you're going to get one of the three, get the Wii.

Zelda is still coming out on the GameCube, but a better version is coming out on the Wii.

I hate Sony and Microsoft because of their buisness ethics and constant attitude towards consumers. I'm buying a Wii this weekend and I'll post how that goes.

I agree with what Maddox is saying there. Not because of "oh my God, maddox said that so it's true" bulls**t, but because he's right and it's damn near the same opinion I've had of them for the last 6 years.

Reno will be astonished when I say this, but at this point in time I'd be more inclined to put money towards a 360 than a PS3 (though I wont, because I hate Microsoft and refuse to give them money). I'll end up getting a PS3 for the games when I can find a cheap used one as well as some cheap used games. (CD Game Exchange)
Though I will say that size and weight issue is really putting me off from even thinking of getting the console in any form.

I wish I could choose options 3-5 (Just to note, a lot of shops are setting up Wii demo units now if you want to get in a few minutes of play time! I haven't seen any PS3 demos though)

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Shouldnt you be working on your "greatest mod ever"?

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Consider me astonished Crono. But hey, you returned me to normal with the following sentence :wink:

I'm almost certainly gonna buy all three, so I'm not gonna be voting for any of those (strange combination of) choices. I love my 360 and play it loads, and I've a feeling it will remain my main system and the one I buy cross platform games on because...

• I love Live
• I love the achievements
• I love the controller

...but that said, many if not most of the stand out games of the generation, particularly from Japan, will be on the PS3. Like the PS2, I imagine after the initial novelty has worn off it will sit beside my TV, pining for some use, and then every few months a game will land that takes over my life for a few days. The Wii is gonna be my novelty thing - I'm not expecting to use it as my main system, but more as something for unique games or having a laugh with mates. I don't see myself playing it on my own very often.

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I'm going to get the nintendo Wii myself, love the look of the controller (going to test one on saturday). and I love the games for it.

How can you hate one of the consoles so much that you waste your vote on hating it rather than supporting the console you like...

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<span style="color: silver;">[quote=aaron_da_killa]</span>Which one do you support[/quote]
<span style="color: silver;">I support the Wii.</span>

my options not on there

add these:

i hate consoles
"or at least"
"snes is still king"

Had a quick go on the Wii this afternoon playing Zelda. The controls were easy to get used to, pretty much pick up and play. Though I think they had it a bit too sensitive.The graphics whilst aren't great didn't give it any negativity at all. People there were having a laugh playing tennis and boxing (the tennis one looked pretty good). Can't wait toget my hands one one :biggrin:

Wii for me.

You realise Zelda is a port from the Gamecube version so that explains the not-so-next-gen graphics.

Come on December...

I'm not gonna buy any consoles in the foreseeable future. There's been few enough games that have piqued my interest in recent years to count on one hand. Games these days seem to me to be over-hyped, over-produced, and under-fun, LOL PRITY GRAFPHIKZ KEKEKE doesn't translate to fun for me =/

I'd like to play Gears of War, but I'm not gonna buy a 360 for it. If I was rich I'd probably get an HDTV and all three consoles, but as it is there are a lot of things I'd rather spend my money on.

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If I was rich I'd probably

Oh the many endings I have for that sentence.

Dang. Everyone here likes Zelda. I had Ocerina of time and it was pretty good. But I know a better game...... "cough" halo "cough, weez".

And yes Omegaslayer I should keep working on the greatest MOD but everynow and then I will visit this site becuase uses are all cool. Even Omegaslayer, lol

:smile:

P.s I hate the wii sooooo much.

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Have you played the wii?

Then how can you hate it? You should give it a chance.

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he won't, because its not halo.

drink the kool-aid, drink it....

Dang. Everyone here likes Zelda. I had Ocerina of time and it
was pretty good. But I know a better game...... "cough" halo "cough,
weez".
And yes Omegaslayer I should keep working on the greatest MOD but
everynow and then I will visit this site becuase uses are all cool.
Even Omegaslayer, lol

Do you not know how to read sarcasm?

And you really need to open yoru eyes to somethign other than halo.

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I have played the Nintendo Wii. I played Zelda and some s**ty tennis game. I belive the only part of you body that should be exersised while playing games are your fingers. What if youre tired and yo want to have fun and you have a wii. Besides the games are the same as gamecube. Pokemon and s**t. All cartoony s**ty games. Also dont say Metroidprime is god because it aint. The ds version is not worth 10 bucks. Why did they even bother woth singleplayer. Its a peice of crap. Its not fun or hard or entertaining, its annyoing.

And I do play other games than Halo. Is called Halo2. Nuh I do. Some other good games are: Gears of War, Battlefeild 2142, Counterstrike, Half-life1 and 2, Zelda Ocerina of time was ok, Banjo Kazoie and the second one and Mariokart on ds sadly. BUT Halo mate Halo.

OMG I forgot to mention Goldeneye I should hang my head in shame :sad:



Do we all like the colours

HALO rocks

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Damn you, guys.
I want a Wii.

I'm not a fan of X-Box. Although, now I'm seeing games for the 360 that I'd really like to play... like Bioshock... and Dead Rising.

Playstation 3.. well, I'd like to get one just so I can play Resident Evil 5 and Metal Gear Solid 4 when they come out.

But Wii..
It just seems like so much f'ing fun!!

Hay youre back hello :smile:

Guess what the wii is evil. I swear

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Eh, it doesn't matter.
All the money I'll be getting soon is going into my new computer.
And then into my drumkit.. or maybe the other way around. It depends how fast recording will come up.

Anyway, I probably won't get any system until next year.
If I do, I'll be shocked.

Wow, the Wii is mauling the other systems on here.

I would get a Wii for the following reasons:
a) it's innovative in terms of gameplay/interface. not just prettier graphics.
b) it has properties like Zelda & Metroid I can't enjoy on PC
c) it has some platform/adventure game genres that aren't really on PC much
d) it's way f**king cheaper

Also, most of the game genres I would enjoy on the 360 or PS3, I can get better versions of on the PC. For example, I'd much rather have the UT games than the Halo series, because I'm more interesting in multiplayer in an FPS. Hell, even Gears of War... is only 8 player. I'm used to the larger scope of UT2k4, or even TFC.

<span style="color: white;">Hi guys,

Long time no see, don't know if you still remember me, my interest in mapping stopped suddenly, waiting for Ep2, and then maybe ill be back to mapping..Thats why I didn't talk here for a really long time, although I keep checking the site for new tutorials, and i must say, I haven't seen a new tutorial for ages here...
Anyway, im happy to see you guys here, and all the other new members that i never met...

Regarding this topic, I was wandering around youtube until I found True Facts about the PS3 and the 360 .. Its a comparison, and sad facts about the PS3 ...

If you're a PS3 fan or a 360 fan, then you must check this out :
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After watching that video, I decided that I wanted to watch other videos of the new consoles... getting smashed to pieces. :crash: :biggrin:

I watched them all get smashed, and then came to the conclusion that the PC rules.

I played a Wii the other day, just Wii Sports, but it was much fun :biggrin: We really wanna get one in the office for lunch times :smile:

Kinda underimpressed in ways though. I mean the obvious criticism - the graphics, I don't have. It looked fine - not outstanding but perfectly fine for the playful party mentality of the system and the game. But when playing the games I felt like my input had less direct impact on the game than I would have liked. Pitching in Baseball? It doesn't matter WHAT you do; hardcore over the head pitches come out exactly the same as jerking the controller sideways in some complete non-throw action. Speeds seemed more random than anything. Bowling was kind of similar - we had lots of success with some pathetically non-bowling actions and yet had some really wierd ultra-slow bowls from some pretty decent inputs.

Definately planning on picking one up though. There's a component input on my TV just waiting to be filled by it...provided I can get hold of the apparently hard to find cables that is :wink:

Still loving my 360 at the moment though. Despite recently upgrading my PC to be quite a monster gaming system I can't seem to bring myself to do much of it when the 360 makes everything that much easier and more convenient.

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I guess that is just a flaw in the Honkball game - we felt the same about it at our company. The other games reacted better I think. Anyway, I liked how the Wii plays, although I probably won't get one myself. But if I ever buy a console, then this is the one. Great controls compared to those other keypads imho. :smile:

Maybe we'll get to develop games for it in the future, which I find rather funny considering I'm not a console player. :smile:

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Three reasons why it doesn't feel "precise" in Wii sports (Because it doesn't):

1. For motion the controller uses acceleration meters. So, going forward, then stopping places the controller in an uninitialized state, when bringing the controller back to in front of you, it will read that as new input. (This applies mostly to things like golf) The point is, there's no possible way the thing can be 100% accurate to real life movements, though it's close enough to be unnoticeable with proper developer thinking.

2. There is a delay because the action needs to happen before the data can be sent, it's going through a BlueTooth connector which can, at the most (I think), send 3Mbps. When it's getting tons of input as well as sending audio data and rumble data back to the controller(s) there could simply be a lack of bandwidth. That's if the device uses Bluetooth 2.0.

3. It's not a full blown game. I bet the full fledged games will make better use than this tech demo. Because of this, none of these games are 1:1 controlled.

Now, as far as I've been able to figure out, here's the ins and outs of the games:

Tennis: the direction (left or right) as well as the timing of the swing are all that matter. Timing your swing is very important, actually, since it will determine in what direction the ball goes. There are some really intricate things here that I haven't been able to get yet but have done on accident (like a power hit. The ball had a strong phantom trail behind it and was going very fast)

Bowling: This is, probably, the best implemented game in Wii Sports as it gives you the most direct control. If you keep the acceleration meters in mind you'll probably play better. A more powerful throw is done if you stop your swing short (so one of the meters keeps going, it will transfer it into "force" data) this doesn't require you to break your arm or anything trying to throw it hard. You twist the controller to do spins. Twist right to curve left and twist left to curve right. Combine this with your "power" and it determines when the ball will curve.

Now, here's the nice thing about that: if you know about it (and can control it), well ... the game gets old. Fast. but if you don't it will read little things you do with your hand orientation and result in different throws. Which is a bit more realistic. Anyway, IGN's strike formula doesn't really work. Here's one that does, but isn't guaranteed. Go to the left or right as far as you can go while not in the gutter. Then hold twist the controller to curve towards the middle pin and to a very hard throw (stop quickly before finishing the up part of your throw).

Baseball: I enjoy this one a lot even though it's not particularly accurate. If you move the controller at a certain speed, it hits or throws. The throwing uses acceleration data, the hitting doesn't. With hitting, reading the pitch is everything. If you get a "splitter", don't swing (if you do, you will not hit it very will it will either be a foul ball or strike, while it will ALWAYS hit the plate if you don't swing it will be a ball). With pitching, It seems like it multiplies your force for the speed it should throw at. you'll pretty much only see pitches in the 60, 70, and 90 mph range (and whatever equivalent to your country). To do other types of pitches you hold down a or b or both.

Golf: Imagine the meter is the same as a power meter on any other golf game and suddenly it acts identically.

Boxing: This is the one that doesn't response as well and while I can beat any body I play it with I'm not finding much strategy of even fun in the game. I think a full blown double wiimote boxing game would blow it away (Punchout Wii!!)

A little drawn out, but that's everything. There are also "training games" that are more fun than the real games themselves. They act more as minigames than anything else. The bowling game that's suppose to teach you accuracy with spinning is the best. It puts obstacles in the lane with a small number of pins you have to spin around them and nail the pins.

To note, full fledged games do have better control and don't necessarily read in all your shaky hand movements.

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Exatcly what crono said.

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I really doubt that you even read that aaron... :razz: <br style="color: white;">

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? quote:I really doubt that you even read that aaron... :razz:

that's because it didn't involve XBox or Halo

Hay. Tell me, stop teasing me.

And of course I read your replies. I read all the replies you've made even if i dont reply back.

Pls tell me how u do that

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Hay. Tell me, stop teasing me.
And of course I read your replies. I read all the replies you've made even if i dont reply back.

Pls tell me how u do that

Quote button. or use the "quote" ([]) brackets. But if you truly read what crono said:

3. It's not a full blown game. I bet the full fledged games will make
better use than this tech demo. Because of this, none of these games
are 1:1 controlled.

He said the DEMO that comes with the wii isnt a full game, and
therefore shouldn't be based off of what the wii's future game are
reallt like.

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Hey, what's this about the Wii recall?
I heard it briefly on the news.. something about the controllers.
What's wrong with them?

Nothing. You can get a replacement wrist strap if you want one though (100% free for up to 4). They made the string thicker because people are misusing the controller and trying to throw them oh, and complaining a lot.

Many broken TVs and fingers have resulted from overzealous players.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I just found this video, showing what they call "next-gen gameplay" and I find it quite fascinating. Actually, this upped my respect towards the XBox360 a lot. It's amazing.

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I've got myself a 360, only got one game atm, N3, pretty fun but gets too repeative, and it sucks dying to some overpowered boss when you've spent an hour trying to get there, since you can only save after a mission is beaten.

But i'm looking forward to gears of war and Chromehounds.

Being able to customize your own Battlemech sounds so much fun.

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I just found this video, showing what they call "next-gen gameplay" and I find it quite fascinating. Actually, this upped my respect towards the XBox360 a lot. It's amazing.

It's a multi-platform game.

It does look incredible and the entire thought process behind the game is fantastic (It's essentially time travel.)

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Cool! I googled it'll be supposedly available for PC, too. So no reason to not vote for Wii :biggrin:

Really, this is amazing. The kind of hyper-realistic gameplay I've been waiting for a long time. And it's not set in WW2!

I can't imagine how a game could look any more realistic than this. At least regarding shaders and animation, it looks 99% like a movie. A few more polygons here and there and you can't distinguish it from Hollywood/ILM CGI work.

Fascinating.

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Cool! I googled it'll be supposedly available for PC, too. So no reason to not vote for Wii :biggrin:

Really, this is amazing. The kind of hyper-realistic gameplay I've been waiting for a long time. And it's not set in WW2!

I can't imagine how a game could look any more realistic than this. At least regarding shaders and animation, it looks 99% like a movie. A few more polygons here and there and you can't distinguish it from Hollywood/ILM CGI work.

Fascinating.

Yeah, the jerky movements from a joystick, the models not quite making contact, and the drapery going through world objects looks very realistic. :razz:

It looks really nice, but it still looks like a video game.

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I've got myself a 360, only got one game atm, N3, pretty fun but gets too repeative, and it sucks dying to some overpowered boss when you've spent an hour trying to get there, since you can only save after a mission is beaten.
But i'm looking forward to gears of war and Chromehounds.
Being able to customize your own Battlemech sounds so much fun.

Sounds like you had the same hopes as me...sadly. Ninety Nine Nights sounded like just my cup of tea; Tetsuya Mizuguchi + Kingdom Under Fire should, by rights = greatness. Sadly it just didn't work out that way. Its not a horrible game but it really isn't anything better than the likes of Dynasty Warriors, and sadly it even misses out on the more free roaming options that the DW series leaves open to you by basically telling you exactly which hoarde of enemies you have to fight at any given time. At least DW lets you choose whether to charge through the enemy lines and take out the general from the start, or go and provide backup to falling allies to boost morale, and so on. In N3 I felt like it was just "kill this bunch of guys so that the next group of guys spawns" - much less like an actual battlefield where you could do a variety of things. And to think the next Kingdom Under Fire game is going into the solo-character action-RPG style of gameplay as opposed to the big army action-RTS gameplay of its prequels...is it really just down to Omega Force / Koei to make big epic battlefield action games now? A more free-form, tactical sequel to N3 would make me happy.

As for Chromehounds? Well I hoped for good things again. I like quite a lot of mech games and this one sounded like it took multiplayer very seriously, which boded well. Sadly the demo was...well it wasn't what I hoped for. Some people seem to like it a lot regardless and the multiplayer is still reasonably well respected, but the single player is apparently very weak. I'm planning on picking it up when I'm stuck for games, but I'm not exactly as optimistic about it as I once was. That video you linked to was rather intriguing though :smile:

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Hehe, well I'm reading between the lines, Crono. I just think that the way the main character interacts with the town people and the world somehow broke a last barrier, truly interactive animation. This vid may be a bit more tweaked but it shows better what I find so interesting about it, visually. The animations aren't isolated, everything is interactive. The cloth may go through objects here and there and there'll always be joystick limitations. But it's really a new chapter for game-animation.

This game seriously changed my view of current technology. How animation can be more important than all shaders and polygons.

Who needs UT2007 anyway? :heee:

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