Supremacy vs. Pride

offshoot from this thread, so as to noy get off the subject.

http://www.snarkpit.net/forums.php?forum=1&topic=7336&44

We got on the subject of how celebrating ones heritage can be taken as racism to other groups. Also the fact that whites are the only ones that CANNOT celebrate their heritage, etc.

So, to continue where we went off.

• I didn't quote stormfront, that indented paragraph is my OWN words.
• I am not neo-nazi, supremacist or a hater. I am just proud to be white and I think I ought to be able to celebrate my heritage without being called a racist/hater/nazi.
• I'm not pissed because I'm a white guy. I'm not pissed because others are not. I'm pissed because Group1 has power over Group2 simply because the Group2 feels bad about having previously had power over Group1. It's ridiculous. If people want to be equal, make sure they have equal opportunities, but don't TAKE opportunities away from one group and give it to another who has made themselves less qualified despite having BETTER THAN equal opportunities.
• I don't agree with everything in the essay i linked to, but he had some good points aobut reverse descrimination.
• I don't agree with much of anything that goes on at Stormfront, They want to be above everyone else, I think we should all just have equal opportunities (not enforced equivalency.)

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Frankly, I'm even more disappointed than when I thought you'd quoted white supremacists.

In particular, your beyond-perverted history of the west astounds me. I'll point to what nagged at my gag reflex.

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<DIV class=quotetext>One group of people (whites) worked hard, stayed together long enough to start western civilization.</DIV></DIV>To make my stance clear: I am not of the strain of liberals who will belittle our entire western heritage. If you identify with it, you have every right to be proud of what you are. Just so long as you don't hold yourself to be superior.
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<DIV class=quotetext>It was one group holding themselves above, and against all other groups.</DIV></DIV>You make this sound like heroism.

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<DIV class=quotetext>Then this group of white males started to weaken their viewpoints on the treatments of others, and allowed them to gain the courage to protest, riot, and generally act like they were back in their home jungles.</DIV></DIV>Despicable. Can you actually defend this caricature of all non-whites as savages hailing from jungles?

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<DIV class=quotetext>Soon, the pressure got so much that the whites started to grant freedoms little-by-little to these generally poorly-behaved populations</DIV></DIV>In America, at least, the abolishment of slavery was a voluntary act by whites, not a giving-in to scattered slave uprisings.

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<DIV class=quotetext>(need proof, see any inner city; no whites there)</DIV></DIV>You're kidding me. You're f**king kidding me.

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<DIV class=quotetext>Now, the formerly downtrodden groups have ultimate power</DIV></DIV>Minorities have ultimate power. Minorities have ultimate power. That's why we haven't had a white President since the end of the Civil War, right? That's why every branch of the government is choked with minorities, right?

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<DIV class=quotetext>Point is, when you are downtrodden, celebrate that difference that has caused so much trouble. But when you're "rollin'" down the streets in "bling" escalades with "phat grills" and all of your teeth are gold, you can no longer claim that you are a victim of anyone but your own mismanagement of funds.</DIV></DIV>That would seem a reasonable judgment in the hypothetical case of a person who actually did what you describe, but to characterize all black men like this is disgusting.

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<DIV class=quotetext>reverse descrimination.</DIV></DIV>It happens, I think, and is inexcusable when it does, but it is far from a plague on the nation, and it is beyond inappropriate to lash out against all minorities because a small portion of them look to exploit our political climate.

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I don't even know where to begin. So I begin with where white pride can end: In the extermination of 6 Million Jews. The line between pride, arrogance and extremism is very small. White people crossed the line more often and in a much more extreme way than any other group. We've proven we can't handle it.

Every effort to gain back some balance results in slighlty swapping extremes but it's not even close to the other extreme, where white people terrorized the world for centuries. I think it's acceptable if some minorities who had to suffer because of the ignorance and brutality of white people want to take a tiny bit of pride for themselves. They won't rule the world because of it. They don't have the slightest chance.

The only reason people are mostly white in Europe and we have better tools and technology (that's all we have) is because we're the descendents of the people who moved from the warmer, and much more appropriate south to the cold and harsh north. Our skin became pale, most died in the cold, and only those with the best tools survived. Now we made a sport of creating bigger and better tools, resulting in weapons and means of transportation that are superior to those of most other civilisations.

What makes humans the rulers of the world is adaptability, not pride. Pride should be reserved to the closest and most inner circles and not for a global contest between civilisations. Being proud about your heritage too much is not healthy. It separates and blinds. It ends in inbreeding...

I don't know how I managed to stay so relatively calm until know. Actually, I'm shocked. You can say what you want, Nickel, but the logic you are using is exactly that of a modern Nazi, trying hard to use legal means to promote illegal ones. You have to be aware of that, especially if you choose not to relativize your effervescing praise of whiteness. Hailing your white skin color as a seperate attribute puts you in a group of people that I doubt you want to be part of. Whites have enough power and attention, any more is clearly a bad thing.

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it's ironic that someone so blind can be so concerned about colour.

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An interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihonjinron

it's ironic that someone so blind can be so concerned about colour.

Wonderful ambivalence. :biggrin:

The problem is that many blacks milk there ainti-discrimination rights.
They seem to think if a white person looks at them funny, he is being rascist.

@ Cassias: Even though I have had...not-so pleasant experiences from reading your posts, I must say I utterly agree to everything you said. Excellent statements. :smile:

@ NickelPlate: Tables have turned. I originally respected you, and not cassias. Now all my respect is with cassias, and none with you. Seriously, if you don't like other cultures, you don't belong on earth. There is one fact you have to accept, even if you don't like it: The planet contains people with different cultures and skin colour. Just get used to it. I mean, who cares if they are different, it is what makes the human race more interesting.

Ignore me if this point has been made already...

In my view, the concept of racial "pride" is purest nonsense. Pride is something a person feels in their achievements, or at farthest extension, the achievements of other individuals whom they have influenced. For example, I can rightfully feel proud of doing well in school, and my parents can feel proud of their role in raising me to become a successful adult. However, it would be utterly inappropriate for me to express pride in my parents achievements when I have had absolutely no impact on who and what they are. Likewise, expressing "pride" in your heritage is a derangement of the original emotional concept. History cannot be rationally construed as the result of contemporary actions.

I think that all of the above is fairly solid. Now, however, let me descend into some slightly wild speculation.

I think that what happens when you deform the concept of pride to fit disconnected events, is that you begin to degrade part of the emotional system that regulates human behavior. One of the things that drives an individual is the need to feel some sense of pride in their life and achievements. This is a positive psychological force that drives people to be productive members of society. However, if you satisfy your need for pride with a static, extrinsic object like racial heritage, nationality, or any other ideology, you have short-circuited that governing mechanism. Suddenly your sense of pride is disconnected from your actions. The door is cracked open for monstrosity to emerge in human form. An individual who can do unspeakable things without jeopardizing their sense of self-worth; their "pride".

I think it is for this reason that racism tends to be more prevalent in the lower income sectors of society. Without personal, socially recognized, achievements, many people turn to extrinsic objects in order to satisfy their need for pride. Ironically, the use of an ideology for this purpose is self reinforcing, as it is unlikely for a person who has made this maladjustment ever to personally achieve anything of worth because the motivation to do so has been aborted.

It horrifies me whenever I see one of those "Proud to be American" bumper stickers. But "Proud to be Black" or "Proud to be White" is a phrase that makes me physically ill. At least you have some impact on your country, however minuscule, but accidents of birth are despicable subjects for making a value judgement.

In summary: All men should be judged by their actions, not those of their ancestors.

Off the point: I love that avatar Cass. The scary thing is that I know it's based on your real face!

I was originally slightly confused as to who I agreed with in this argument, but I think Tracer has successfully summed up in his conclusions (not necessarily the "wild speculation" about lower income sectors - I'm pretty neutral without opinion on this sort of thing and try to avoid talking about income brackets etc) absolutely everything I agree with. IMHO, of course... :smile:

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It's a countermeasure of sorts, Tracer: the integrity of a group you identify with is threatened; you feel threatened by association; you assert the integrity of the group.

We see in Nickelplate's stance a new iteration of the complex. Many minority voices responded to past oppression with declarations of pride, which evidently have swelled to the point of making certain whites feel threatened.

I'm beginning to think, as you say, that the process may be entirely destructive.

reaper47 said:
The only reason people are mostly white in Europe and we have better tools and technology (that's all we have) is because we're the descendents of the people who moved from the warmer, and much more appropriate south to the cold and harsh north. Our skin became pale, most died in the cold, and only those with the best tools survived. Now we made a sport of creating bigger and better tools, resulting in weapons and means of transportation that are superior to those of most other civilisations.

Hence "One group worked hard to be on top of things"

• I never said that the bling-tooth people were black men... You racist.
• I never really understood how jews didn't count as "white people" It makes no sense to me since the jews who were murdered were mostly white-skinned people. That's SUCH a double-standard on the part of the nazis.
• Cassius, I was not trying to make white supremacy sound like heroism, I was saying that it was one group against all others, now it seems like ALL groups against just one.
• Jimmi, I love other cultures, and I think that EVERYONE should be able to celebrate theirs, but not if they are going to condemn ME for celebrating mine! I don't even give a crap about skin colors. I've dated asians FFS.
• Fishy: I'm Not concerned About Color.
• Tracer, I agree. It's not really PRIDE, per se. It's more of an "I'm glad I'm exactly who I am no matter who doesn't like it" thing. And everyone should be judged for and take responsibility for thier own actions.

I think you all are misconstruing my intent. It's not the fact that the tables have turned against my certain group of people. It's the PRINCIPLE of one group not being able to be who they are without being chastised for it. I don't even hate anyone. Not for ANY reason.

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<DIV class=quotetext>I never said that the bling-tooth people were black men... You racist.</DIV></DIV>
You're a f**king clown. All minorities "protest, riot, and generally act like they were back in their home jungles," huh? Get banned. Your moments of levelheadedness and reason can no longer compensate for bulls**t like this.

one group against all others, now it seems like ALL groups against just one.

That's the same goddamned thing. Insofar as anyone has a right to being proud in their heritage, a white man is allowed to be proud of his, and you were right on that point. Ironically, as you extended your argument to figure whites as the civillized superiors of "poorly-behaved" minorities capable only of "protest, riot, and generally act[ing] like they were back in their home jungles," you did cross the line between pride and supremacy - and that is absolutely inexcusable. Again: get banned. If the Snarkpit tolerates this, I don't tolerate the Snarkpit.

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<DIV class=quotetext>One group of people (whites) worked hard</DIV></DIV>

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<DIV class=quotetext>It's not the fact that the tables have turned against my certain group of people</DIV></DIV>

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<DIV class=quotetext>Now, the formerly downtrodden groups have ultimate power</DIV></DIV>

This merits punishment or I leave.

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Cass, people making a complete arse of themselves is as much reason to ban them, as demanding reparations from a blind man that has spilled your drink is fair.

we've all been that blind man on occasion.

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I agree, you're overreacting. Nickelplate is entitled to an opinion, irrelevant of how racist it is, just as you are entitled to your own.

I think Cass' current point is more towards Nickelplate's constantly contradictory and inaccurate "opinions" that really make it obvious that Nickelplate has no idea what he's talking about, rather than the (blatantly racist?) content of them...

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current point, or ongoing aversion?

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I don't stand idiotic prejudices in any degree. I won't pretend that my leaving would threaten the forums - I would simply not be comfortable with remaining in a community that accepts racism as an "opinion" one is "entitled to."

for someone that can't stand idiotic prejudices, you sure are quick to dismiss any opinion that hints 'racism'. just a thought.

you want punishment for nickle or you leave? gtfo. your novelty here is already gone.

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Cassius said:
I don't stand idiotic prejudices in any degree. I won't pretend that my leaving would threaten the forums - I would simply not be comfortable with remaining in a community that accepts racism as an "opinion" one is "entitled to."

Frederick Douglass said:
"Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one?s thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down. They know its power. Thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers, founded in injustice and wrong, are sure to tremble, if men are allowed to reason?
There can be on right of speech where any man?[is] compelled to suppress his honest sentiments.
Equally clear is the right to hear. To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker."

HOMER, The Iliad said:
"To speak his thoughts is every freeman's right, in peace and war, in council and in fight."

George Orwell said:
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."

Salman Rushdie said:
"What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist."

First, you are always getting onto me about being intolerant of things I don't like, and yet, when you don't like what I say, you are just as intolerant. When someone says they are uncomfortable in a community that allows gay marriage by respecting people's right to marry who they want, you you automatically write them off as "one of those." Now, you are just like them, whether that is a good thing or a bad thing to you. Fact is, people either HAVE a right, or they DON'T. That means everyone. If you are uncomfortable in a community that respects anyone's right to free speech, no matter what they say, then you are just like those people which protest gay marriage, abortion and any other of those rights that you stick up for.

I hope you don't leave. I hope you don't give up this easily, otherwise any respect I have for you, which is actually quite a bit, will be gone with you.

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Nickelplate said:
Also the fact that whites are the only ones that CANNOT celebrate their heritage, etc.

I have scanned this thread for days and found it very distasteful but, I was curious.

Exactly which whites would that be?

I have Irish members in my family who seem to do alright, and last time I looked they were light complected.. I also have white trash family members who seem to celebrate anything possible for an excuse to get drunk. It seems to them that that is their heritage.

I am just wondering, if there was a specific white people so I would be on the same page as everyone else who believes whites are discriminated against in America.

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Wear a shirt that says "It's a White Thing... You wouldn't understand."* in any inner city area or on TV, and you'll be on the same page.

*Blacks commonly wear shirts that say "It's a Black Thing... You wouldn't understand." Or at least they do where I am from.

Also, German-Americans such as myself always get called "nazi" no matter WHAT we do at family reunions....

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<DIV class=quotetext>First, you are always getting onto me about being intolerant of things I don't like, and yet, when you don't like what I say, you are just as intolerant. When someone says they are uncomfortable in a community that allows gay marriage by respecting people's right to marry who they want, you you automatically write them off as "one of those." Now, you are just like them, whether that is a good thing or a bad thing to you. Fact is, people either HAVE a right, or they DON'T. That means everyone. If you are uncomfortable in a community that respects anyone's right to free speech, no matter what they say, then you are just like those people which protest gay marriage, abortion and any other of those rights that you stick up for.</DIV></DIV>
Don't assume I'm partial to rhetoric on free speech. I favor only expression that betters society - and history demonstrates incontrovertibly that wanton prejudice only hurts.

How ironic that you quote Frederick Douglass and Salman Rushdie, "poorly-behaved" as they are. Do you honestly think they or Orwell - perhaps even Homer - would defer to your blathering?

You attempt to align my rejection of your right to hate speech with intolerance. I am intolerant, then, yes. I see the paradox and embrace it. Go on, then - posture as the victim. Posture as the last disciple of freedom in an ignorant world that misunderstands you and struggles to silence your righteousness. I welcome it.
It will remain, however, no matter how many great minds you quote, that you uphold a tradition of ignorance that only recently in history, by the grace of reason and compassion, faded from popular discourse. Consequently, many if not most private communities do not allow it within their circles. There is a reason for this: it is a moral failure to watch the perpetuation of racism. I will not be a spectator.

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Also, German-Americans such as myself always get called "nazi" no matter WHAT we do at family reunions....

Embrace it, Nazis aren't so bad.

There are much more black people in America than in Europe (is it because of slavery? because we don't let them in? I don't know, it doesn't even matter) therefore "black vs. white" for me is simply racial discrimination in general. It doesn't matter if it's about being black or... asian-icque or long-nosed, whatever. It's just about taking something that cannot be achieved by your own work but only by your birth and celebrating it so much. Like being white.

The reason black people say they're "proud to be black" is because they're pissed and are actually heared for the first time in history. They have all right to be pissed.

Being white is no achievement. Nothing you can be proud of. It's like being proud of having brown hair. You can be proud about a cultural achievement or a political one (and even there - shouldn't get too fanatic with it). But then you cannot say that white skin has something to do with it. It only makes you more prone to sunburns and more racist. If everyone jumps out of the window, would you do the same? It really comes down to this if you don't like black people wearing "black power" t-shirts.

The only reason I see for not deleting this thread with all these racist statements is the extreme valuing of freedom speech in America and the English speaking world in general which I respect. And that I hope that Nickelplate realizes how cynical his statements are towards black people (which probably isn't very realistic to hope for).

I must say I don't think this kind of discussion is material for a public thread. I think this sad thread should be deleted. It's kinda the people vs. Nickelplate anyway. And Cassius pwned him with his rethorical skills (respect!) multiple times without any real outcome.

Really, just reading this makes me depressed.

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I Find it stupid that People Can where Assyrian pride or black pride shirts and i cant where white/Caucasian pride shirts at my school :razz:

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I am intolerant, then, yes. I see the paradox and embrace it.

wow. what a display of egocentrics.. you honestly see your hypocrisy as paradoxal. extreme intolerance of extreme interolerance is still extreme intolerance. you don't have some sort of moral highground here.

and dude, you're dodging again.. nickel quoted those 'great minds' to reiterate what he's trying to say.. and considering that none of the quotes contain anything about racism, how can one come to the conclusion that nickel implied they supported his argument on racism? would douglass stand behind the idea that the white culture is being pushed down? no. he certainly would stand behind the right for someone to think so, though. which is what nickel brought to the table. ..and i fail to see how their lack of deference would be ironic. (i'm currently calling the FARK irony police.) what IS ironic, is that considering your conflicting stance on tolerance and opinion, they would never defer to you.

also, this thread ended on the first page.. when cass finally realized:

We see in Nickelplate's stance a new iteration of the complex. Many minority voices responded to past oppression with declarations of pride, which evidently have swelled to the point of making certain whites feel threatened.

I'm beginning to think, as you say, that the process may be entirely destructive.

celebration of race is a perpetuation of racism. same is said for whites.

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Nickelplate said:

• Tracer, I agree. It's not really PRIDE, per se. It's more of an "I'm glad I'm exactly who I am no matter who doesn't like it" thing. And everyone should be judged for and take responsibility for thier own actions.

So why the emphasis on color? You have a point that our culture allows explicit discrimination against Caucasians. I don't think there is any other way to view affirmative action. However, that doesn't seem to be your main point. My perception is that you are specifically upset that it is less acceptable for you to "celebrate your heritage" than for others. Correct?

However, if you agree with my point, how can you care? It's fine to be proud of yourself, within reason, but haven't we already established that your caucasian ancestry has nothing to do with who you are? certainly it has effected your upbringing in certain ways, but that really means very little. Why not wear a shirt that says "proud to be a mapper"? (No. I mean aside form the fact that lots of people would make fun of you, if they had any idea what it meant.) Better yet, "proud to be a badass auto mechanic". Celebrate that. Just because other people "celebrate" something as completely meaningless as the color of their skin is no reason for you to follow their senseless behavior.

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

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Don't assume I'm partial to rhetoric on free speech. I favor only expression that betters society - and history demonstrates incontrovertibly that wanton prejudice only hurts.

Man, I'm not prejudiced against anyone. I just don't want to be prejudged just because MY people used to be prejudiced. If I have to say extreme things to get a point across, then I will.

How ironic that you quote Frederick Douglass and Salman Rushdie, "poorly-behaved" as they are. Do you honestly think they or Orwell - perhaps even Homer - would defer to your blathering?

First of all, I hope you NEVER compare Frederick Douglass' fight for freedom to the NAACP's modern demands for "reparations," and inner-city blacks' "right to crime." As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong, there are no black slaves in the United States of America. If I'm right... What exactly are modern blacks acting out about? They have affirmative action on their side, they are the biggest demographic group recieving USA welfare, and yet they are still the highest crime demographic in the USA.

As for Salman Rushdie, I never have had and don't anticipate having anything against East Indians.

You attempt to align my rejection of your right to hate speech with intolerance. I am intolerant, then, yes. I see the paradox and embrace it. Go on, then - posture as the victim. Posture as the last disciple of freedom in an ignorant world that misunderstands you and struggles to silence your righteousness. I welcome it.

Dude... Seriously... You know that tables are turning if not already turned to equality. Nobody said anything about being the "last disciple" of anything
It will remain, however, no matter how many great minds you quote, that you uphold a tradition of ignorance that only recently in history, by the grace of reason and compassion, faded from popular discourse. Consequently, many if not most private communities do not allow it within their circles. There is a reason for this: it is a moral failure to watch the perpetuation of racism. I will not be a spectator.

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DUDE I'M NOT A RACIST!

Tracer, I don't think I really brought the "color" part of it to bear. The reason this became about color is because the fact that I love to map and build cars is not what I celebrate that causes me to "be a racist" it's my color. I have shirts about auto-mechanicking, and I'd love to have one about mapping, but that's not what others have a problem with.

If celebrating heritage (which includes color) constitutes racism, then I am bound not to do it. but if it's racism, no one should do it.

Look, I'm sorry if i was mean about it before, but it's the principle of the whole thing. Whites were hypocrites for a long time, claiming that they were humans and others were not. Ridiculing and humiliating others with no concerns. One side was very against another back then and it was considered okay. Now the tables have turned BECAUSE the original situation was not okay, and it's exactly the opposite. Whites were once allowed to do anything against whites and it was okay, now blacks can ridicule, descriminate against, and do anything else to whites and NOW it is okay.

I don't care WHO or WHAT COLOR they are, nobody should be above anyone else no matter what happened to or with or because of their people in the past. That is the definition of EQUALITY, and it's NOT equal right now. Hypocrisy.

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Nickelplate said:
DUDE I'M NOT A RACIST!

Are you sure you didn't quote your History of the West from someone? You don't seem to have read it. You haven't acknowledged roughly half its points since originally posting it - you've fallen back on the position of resisting reverse discrimination, and have shied from any mention of your assertion of minorities' uncivilized origins in jungles, exclusive population of inner cities, etc. This is what we've been discussing since reply number one. You still haven't answered for it.

Dude... Seriously... You know that tables are turning if not already turned to equality.

You have some effort ahead of you if you plan on convincing me that my position is comparable with your stereotyping of African-Americans or Bewbies' irrational distaste for Mexicans.[quote]how can one come to the conclusion that nickel implied they supported his argument on racism?[/quote]To further illustrate the contradiction, picture Neo-Nazis drawing on Spinoza in philosophical debate.

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Cassius said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>DUDE I'M NOT A RACIST!

Are you sure you didn't quote your History of the West from someone? You don't seem to have read it. You haven't acknowledged roughly half its points since originally posting it - you've fallen back on the position of resisting reverse discrimination, and have shied from any mention of your assertion of minorities' uncivilized origins in jungles, exclusive population of inner cities, etc. This is what we've been discussing since reply number one. You still haven't answered for it.

Almost half of africa is covered by rain forest. And most inner city areas are almost exclusively black or hispanic. Inner cities have more crime than rural and suburban areas combined. What does this tell you about the general behavior of Urbanites?

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You have some effort ahead of you if you plan on convincing me that my position is comparable with your stereotyping of African-Americans or Bewbies' irrational distaste for Mexicans.

Having distaste for someone is not failing to acknowledge thier equality. and Mexicans are NOT citizens of the united states and have no rights here.

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To further illustrate the contradiction, picture Neo-Nazis drawing on Spinoza in philosophical debate.</div></div>

Man, Neo-Nazis aren't smart enough for Spinoza OR quotes.

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[Odd forums bug - I posted a reply that extended the thread into a third page, yet it seems to have been eaten. Reposting in a bit.]

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[Im_invisible] "I would suck a man off, but only for sustenance."

nice job cass, you broke teh interweb.

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

Not a bug parsey, its borked because Gwil deleted his comment and the numbers are off. You can either repost, or increase your displayed pages by 1.

IE, you prolly have it set to 10 per page or somesuch.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

My threshold is maxed, this is still a single page for me. :razz: