God Damn Music Business

God Damn Music Business

Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by French Toast on Mon Dec 19th 2005 at 9:01pm
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Okay, a new law thing is starting to ban guitar tabs and even lyrics
from being posted on the internet. I can't find the article at
this second, but this just drives me nuts. Already my two biggest
sources Taborama and
MXTabs are screwed over by this.

I'm ANGRY!

Ahh, here's the article; clicky.

Excerpt: "The music industry is to extend its copyright war by taking legal
action against websites offering unlicensed song scores and lyrics.

The Music Publishers' Association (MPA), which represents US sheet
music companies, will launch its first campaign against such sites in
2006.

MPA president Lauren Keiser said he wanted site owners to be jailed.

He said unlicensed guitar tabs and song scores were widely available on the internet but were "completely illegal".

Mr Keiser said he did not just want to shut websites and impose
fines, saying if authorities can "throw in some jail time I think we'll
be a little more effective"."

!!!
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Crono on Mon Dec 19th 2005 at 9:22pm
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Ridiculous.
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Myrk- on Mon Dec 19th 2005 at 9:38pm
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Find me thier home addresses and I'll make sure they get an explosive christmas.... mwahahahahahahahha!

Seriously, such stupid ideas- they'll cripple the music business by doing this I hope they know!

Another serious note, I can imagine him getting killed over this- its a huge issue and I don't think he knows who hes messing with.
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by OtZman on Mon Dec 19th 2005 at 10:04pm
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Ridiculous.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by ReNo on Mon Dec 19th 2005 at 10:19pm
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You could almost believe that is an onion article. Bloody pathetic :sad:

The onion is a satirical online magazine type thing, for those who haven't heard of it.
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Pegs on Mon Dec 19th 2005 at 11:54pm
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noooooooooooooo etc etc. thats just stupid
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 12:17am
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Frickin' Ridiculous.

They are just trying to get money off of everyone.

I wish I could get everyone to not buy CD's for a year.
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Biological Component on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 2:03am
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by FatStrings on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 2:42am
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i feel like i want to hit someone
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Gorbachev on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 2:45am
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I'm happy they're doing this bulls**t, because finally the rest of the world will finally see the stupid stunts they're pulling, and the suits are slitting their own wrists now.
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by French Toast on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 3:45am
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...or they're sitting back in their chairs gloating over having
found another way to rake in money by making people buy the music.

The thing that I do'nt understand, is that these are interpreted by the
writer. It's not like they're taken from an official songbook.
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 4:05am
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This doesn't effect my directly, but its ri-goddamn-diculous.
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 4:12am
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? posted by French Toast

The thing that I do'nt understand, is that these are interpreted by the writer. It's not like they're taken from an official songbook.

and copylaw says they have to put their own name on it ....you only have to change one note to make it different, thereby an "original" composition....therein lies a problem....you know whos it is, they know whos it is, they know that YOU know whos it is.....whats the right thing to do? as a musician, i understand the want of getting props, and cash for you work, but its way past out of control at this point. personaly, i think the music industry just needs to let this one ride, and cover their asses in the future....hell, they have data in the cd's to guard copyrights, watermarks, etc etc...its doable. why not. live and learn. hell, beethoven has been getting ripped off for years.... :lol:

something else to consider, any self respecting musician that wants to can tab out a song on tab or staff, if he wants to bad enough....***pssst...if ya know what yer doing, you can use a prog like goldwave or soundforge to make it that much easier....they wont do it for you, but they will tell you whats what... :wink:

in short, i guess im torn, but toasty, never fear, they will find a better wya yet to step on their collective dicks.. bank on it bud

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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 4:51am
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you only have to change one note to make it different, thereby
an "original" composition....therein lies a problem....you know whos it
is, they know whos it is, they know that YOU know whos it is.....whats
the right thing to do?
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 5:38am
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:rofl: touche''' ......perfect examples, mr. morphine....i could name you thousands more, as could anyone else.

there has to be a compromise somewhere here. music used to be about the love of it. i spoke up once, and pretty much have been excommunicated from the scene locally, with exceptions. do you know, or fyi, they actually tried to institute a fee for playing cover tunes in this bible belt f**kin berg a few years back of 50 dollars per song?.....almost passed too.....***shivers ....it would run the entertainment scene out instantly ***poof***

uncle Brasso's tip o' the day: choose yer fights wisely gents... :wink:

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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by wil5on on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 6:49am
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You can still download the music itself from the internet, and theyve been trying to stop that for much longer. I wouldnt worry about this.
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Myrk- on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 9:40am
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Dr Brasso, I'll email you this song some time and take you up on that soundforge challenge- this song is too fast to slow down!
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Forceflow on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 11:14am
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Absolutely ridiculous.
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Andrei on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 12:29pm
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The commercial use of lyrics is already illegal, so why this law? I
can't see how musicians can lose money because little Timmy from
Someotherplace, Utah looked up the name of a song based on it's lyrics.
On the contrary, I think such sites are actually helping musicians
sell/advertise their songs.

What next? Having people who hear music involuntarily from a passing
car arrested because they didn't pay any royalties to the author :evilgrin: ?
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Naklajat on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 1:26pm
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something else to consider, any self respecting musician that
wants to can tab out a song on tab or staff, if he wants to bad
enough....***pssst...if ya know what yer doing, you can use a prog like
goldwave or soundforge to make it that much easier....they wont do it
for you, but they will tell you whats what... :wink:
Not all musicians can do that though. Tablature helps the less
experienced guitarists- If in no other way than by just giving them the
library of things to play so they will actually play guitar.

This is the most retarded thing I have heard in a while. It's gotten me in a bad mood, thanks RIAA.
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Underdog on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 1:42pm
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I heard once that Huey Lewis tried to sue Ray Parker Jr. Because of a copy right infringement over the Ghost Buster theme. Apparently the song shares to many coincidences with "I want a new drug" or one of his other titles.

I never heard whether his suit paid off but the song is still credited to Parker so....
There is no history until something happens, then there is.
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by fishy on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 5:19pm
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are we still allowed to sing along to the radio, or do we need some sort of licence yet?
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 6:57pm
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Okay, here's the plan. Get a crapload of CD-R's make two copies of every CD you own. Give each copy to two of your friends. and accept a copy of all of thier CD's. Now you have like 200 new CD's that you will again copy and give to two different friends. eventually the market will be saturated by illegal CD's with no definitive source and no-one will buy new CD's. ANd everyone gets the CD's they want and they can give away the ones the dont want.

It's called Socialist Music Propagation. everyone spends the same amount on CD-R's so the only one making money off this is the store where you buy CD-R's. but i dont matter donating to wal-mart or something, as long as I gyp RIAA out of billions of dollars.
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 7:08pm
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Wal-mart is worse....
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Myrk- on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 8:51pm
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What I find funny about this is that we as fans put in the time to make the tabs- I'm sure this whole argument can be aimed at the bands themselves and they will protest. The people will hate the bands they once loved because of thier cold heartedness! One of the best forms of advertising is actually in tabbing on the net- the number of times I've learnt a random tab from the net, then ended out buying thier music- they make more than they will from thier obviously small amount of staff tabbing the occasional album.

You guys find that the only tab books available are for ridiculously simple crap bands like Greenday or Metallica's St Anger? When I see a tab book for Soilworks Chainheart Machine, Ingwie Malmsteens entire discography, and even a Cacophony tab book, then I'll tell them they have a case against online tabs!
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Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by French Toast on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 9:07pm
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something else to consider, any self respecting musician that
wants to can tab out a song on tab or staff, if he wants to bad
enough....***pssst...if ya know what yer doing, you can use a prog like
goldwave or soundforge to make it that much easier....they wont do it
for you, but they will tell you whats what... :wink:
Indeed. And I try my best to figure the song out on my own, but
there's always some part that I can't get, or one chord that I've never
heard of.

It's especially useful for learning solos as they can be a bitch to
tab. Take Stairway to Heaven for example. I figured out a
chunk of it on my own, but I needed online tabs to help me fill in
certain spots, and for the solo. I can now play the whole thing
and impress my friends :smile:
Re: God Damn Music Business Posted by Myrk- on Tue Dec 20th 2005 at 9:38pm
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I tab alot of stuff myself, check out on www.mysongbook.com for some gp4 tabs I've done of some megadeth songs. Right now I'm working on In Flames new song, Reflect the Storm, which has an amazing verse riff and a wierd spacey chorus which is a bitch to work out.
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