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<DIV class=quotetext>stemming from the cleese thread, i thought it'd be interesting to hear peoples' personal conspiracy theories.</DIV></DIV>

I think theres been a recent conspiracy, to incite conspiracy theories. I don't mean asswipes like DocRock, I mean worldwide. Yes, I know that sounds like a joke, but I do not intend it in a humorous way I assure you. I am quite serious, even if everything I type speaks to the contrary.

Look at it like this. There is a theory about global warming. Its a fairly common conspiracy thing because every day, more and more people are buying into it.

Now this is the way I see it:

#1- Its a fact that today, we have much less fossil fuels than we had, before the industrial revolution began. How much, no one knows for sure. Could last a decade, or a hundred years, but one things for certain, its going to run out eventually. So... Whats the answer? Tell everyone that they will have to get used to higher prices and grin about doing so? NOT LIKELY! No one is going to tolerate that for any extended period of time. Nor are they going to conserve, because quite honestly, the average Joe, cannot conceive of tomorrow so saving for it is just bulls**t. You simply cannot make people conserve. You want an example? How many people here willingly optimize screens? :rolleyes:

So, whats the solution? You create something people cannot ignore. Its easy to ignore fossil fuel shortages because even when the price goes through the roof, the gas pumps keep right on pumping. What people cannot do is ignore the temperature.

Scientist know that the Earth goes through phases of warming and cooling. It happens all the time in geological terms. Whats 10,000 years to a mountain? So, lets create a scare about global warming. With that, we can force people to change. Oh they won't drive less, but they will force the government to supply less destructive means of power.

Whatever you may believe about the climate, theres someone else causing you to think it.

/rambling nonsensical bulls**t.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

I'm half with you on that one. I don't think the modern global warming movement people (LOOKING AT YOU AL GORE) are being honest, but I don't quite believe it's for the reasons you're saying.

I'm a environmentalist. The way i look at it, every time i drive my car, lacking a $200 catalytic converter, up and down the streets. I'm feeding the trees the Co2 the need. So you see, I'm just feeding nature. :biggrin:

You want an example? How many people here willingly optimize screens?

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Orpheus slaps hand down

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

I'm a environmentalist. The way i look at it, every time i drive
my car, lacking a $200 catalytic converter, up and down the streets.
I'm feeding the trees the Co2 the need. So you see, I'm just feeding
nature. :biggrin:

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See the issue is that your not
producing enough CO2 in the air.... So we need more inefficient engines
to cope for this loss in CO2 production...

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Posting And You

global warming is just another bandwagon that some governments have jumped on, because they can see the huge pot of gold that 'environmental taxes' will bring them. like here in the uk there was aother one introduced last week for flying. it's something like an extra tenner for long haul, and a fiver for short haul.

this won't stop people flying, it wont make the air any cleaner, and it certainly wont have any impact on the long term damage being done by the usa and china.

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i eat paint

<span style="color: white;">Taxes won't make the pollution go away. And if someone tells me that global warming is bullsheit then I'll smack them in the face. Winters are so much s**ttier than they were in my childhood and autumns are more rainier and summers hotter... There isn't supposed to be 3 month droughts in these parts, yet there was one last summer.

Things are here quite well in terms of waste disposal and recycling and minimizing emissions, but sadly it doesn't matter at all that 5.2 million people do something when over two billion don't give a sheit.
<br style="color: lightblue;">Thus my conspiracy theory is that China, USA, Russia and several 3rd world countries are conspiring to create an end of the world scenario through pollutant emissions and then take over the world(or what's left of it anyways)!
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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

Dude.

a) The Earth has always and will always go through cycles like this of generally warm and generally cool weather, regardless of what humans are doing.

b) We're coming out of an ice age, s**t is going to warm up.

Dude.

a) The Earth has always and will always go through
cycles like this of generally warm and generally cool weather,
regardless of what humans are doing.

b) We're coming out of an ice age, s**t is going to warm up.

Yeah. But see the thing is this "global warming" thing is speeding up
these cycles. Which is eventually going to land us in an early ice-age
(or extreme drought).

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Posting And You

Where's the evidence that our recent change in weather patterns as a sign of something that will continue after this stage of Earth's climate cycle is over?

I thought all current data was derived from current information and trends?

Fact 1: Our planet's weather is changing.
Fact 2: Our planet's weather is supposed to change.
...and?

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

It's rained twice this winter in northern California and hasn't snowed yet in New York. Conversely, it's snowed a few times in Oregon. Is the world ending? Incontrovertibly.

Yay! I found the ol' conspiracy thread! Well I've got a new one ... this time regarding the Cho/VT shooting deal. Didn't really feel right about posting it in the VT thread, so I think this will do.

Following the VT shootings, we all saw the obligatory ?he played counter-strike? argument in the assessments of what caused him to do such a thing. Most notable of the deluded criers, ?school shooting expert? Jack Thompson. According to him and his reports, violent media influences young people to the point of carefully planning and executing a shooting rampage in their school. At first thought, unfortunately, this is an easy pill to swallow. It casts blame when who which should be blamed killed himself.





This tragedy got me thinking about the subject again? and while I?m already well-known for my ?violent media is a product of a violent society, nice visa versa? opinion, I believe there is now another dimension to it? What if games like counter-strike actually deterred Cho from lashing out at the world the way he did?







Jack Thompson, who is lucky I?m even mentioning his name for a second time, suggested that Cho was acting out a fantasy that was created while playing counter-strike. What I?m thinking, however, is that he already produced these fantasies? And that games like counter-strike not only catered to these fantasies, but appeased the possible urge to realize them. I mean, if I were a murderous psychopath, I?d love to play a game where one of the objectives is to kill people. To me, using the common ?blame videogames? logic, this conclusion makes just as much sense ? if not more.







Assuming I?m right, and he was using counter-strike to act out the fantasies that already dwelled in his messed up head, it would explain some of his other behavior. Did games like counter-strike influence his macabre writings like Richard McBeef? Did they cause him to stalk classmates? How about his fixation on the ?upper-class?? Especially in Richard McBeef, where there are strong sexual and incest themes, one can only find that he had problems long before his exposure to counter-strike.







Strangely enough, he wasn?t even playing counter-strike in the period leading up the shootings? He spent his time writing more than anything else. What if, in the absence of the appeasement of counter-strike, he finally realized the fantasy? That would literally mean that the violent media was keeping him from acting out on the real world. That may be a stretch, though.

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

You know the only thing that made sense during all that mess was a quote from Dr. Laura.. "If you stop watching, they'd stop showing it"

The media fan fare over the VT thing was... almost worse than the people dying. :/

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The best things in life, aren't things.

It's not less plausible than blaming games for causing the shootings.

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Why snark works.

How about back to some 9/11 stuff

Professor Steven Jones presented brand new and compelling evidence for the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7 recently, but the 9/11 debunkers and the corporate media are loathe to tackle it because it represents a slam dunk on proving the collapse of the buildings was a deliberate act of arson.

During a talk at the Rebuilding America's Senses event at the University of Texas last month, Jones laid out facts about steel samples recovered from the WTC site that Popular Mechanics dare not even attempt to debate. Debunkers are scared to even get near this information because the science behind it fundamentally contradicts the official story of what happened on 9/11.

Jones detailed his lab experiments in which he attempted to replicate NIST's conclusion that the lava like orange material flowing out of the south tower is aluminum from Flight 175, the plane that hit the building. Jones clearly documents the fact that liquid aluminum is silver and not orange as is seen in the video of the south tower, therefore the material cannot be aluminum. Jones then explains that the material is in fact a compound that can cut through steel like a hot knife through butter, thermite with sulphur added to make thermate.

The crux of the fresh evidence revolves around newly uncovered globules or spheres that were discovered at the WTC site that Professor Jones was able to obtain and run a electron microscope analysis on.

The spheres contained iron and aluminum, which would be expected in any steel sample, but also sulphur which is a by-product of a thermate reaction.

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So having moved from a hypothesis that thermate was used to bring down the towers from using video footage and debunking the aluminum explanation of NIST, Jones now has empirical scientific proof, undertaken under laboratory conditions, that thermate was indeed used as an artificial explosive at the World Trade Center.

It has now been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the collapse of the twin towers and WTC 7 was an act of deliberate arson and not as a result of fires from crashing planes.

Jones' evidence offers no other conclusion that insiders planted thermite devices within the buildings to literally pulverize the supporting columns and cause the collapse of the towers and also WTC 7. Debunkers have uniformly failed to address the existence of thermite and also molten metal at the ground zero site because they cannot dismiss the scientific proof, and are forced to resort to ad hominem insults and smears.

We are issuing a challenge to Popular Mechanics to rebut Professor Jones' analysis of the sphere samples and the clear evidence of thermate at the World Trade Center. Address the focused scientific proof without resorting to ad hominem attacks or straying off topic.

We don't expect the progenitors of yellow journalism to have any answers for what constitutes the smoking gun of controlled demolition.

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Condemnation without Investigation is the Highest Form of Ignorance!

Well I can't say that I know enough about Chemistry to be able to debunk that, but I would like to ask you to refrain from using sensationalist language. IE:

...the 9/11 debunkers and the corporate media are loathe to tackle it because it represents a slam dunk on proving the collapse of the buildings was a deliberate act of arson.
and
It has now been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the collapse of the twin towers and WTC 7 was an act of deliberate arson and not as a result of fires from crashing planes.

Using such language degenerates your attempt to be taken seriously. The best way to persuade does not include insulting those whom you wish to persuade. I'm sure there's some famous quote about that somewhere.

Onwards to what I do know.
I know that I'm not going to get caught up in the sensationalism just yet. I'd prefer to wait until I've heard the debunker's rebuttal, as well as the conspiracy theorists' rebuttal to that.

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Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

The thermite is actually quite easy to explain. The planes that that crashed into the towers were made of aluminium (Al), and the towers themselves were made of steel, which would have contained rust (Fe2O3). The heat from the fire ignited a thermite reaction between the aluminium and the rust, thus Fe2O3 + 2Al = Al2O3 + 2Fe + Heat ( 851.5 kJ/mol )

Thermate is an extremely explosive substance used only by the military. If there was thermate, it was placed there in preparation for the terrorist attack, not a simple case of arson. Also, thermate is 30% barium nitrate and only 2% sulphur. Where'd the barium nitrate go?

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Better to be in denial than to be human.

Bill Gates understands binary: his company is number one, and his customers are all zeros.

doc, once again, http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

i created this thread to sport your own conspiracy theories. not some crackpot s**t you spend all day googling for. please gtfo of what was once a thread i was proud of.

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

My personal conspiracy theory is that all those people who supposedly played and 'enjoyed' Docrock's maps were really multiple bots run by Docrock himself on multiple personal computers.

You will never get me off of this thread unless you ban me. If you want me to shut up about 911, then ban me. Do what you must so that I won't keep jamming the truth about 911 down your throats. Ignore me. Ban me. But I will NEVER shut up about 9/11.

Read this from a review of Debunking 911 Debunking. [size=16]

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I declined a friend who begged me to read this book at least three times. I was vaguely aware that there were alternative conspiracy theories, other than the official one, that existed. Any time an alternate conspiracy theory was mentioned in casual conversating I "pfffffft" and chuckled.

Well, about a week ago, against what I thought was my good judgement, I buckled and promised my friend to read this book. I had thought that I'd just skim through it, leaving the TV on in the backround in case it's absurdity became too much to handle.

Well, I haven't put the book down, except for the 9 hours I'm at work during the day. My husband has been completely puzzled by my bookworm behaviour, as I'm not one to keep my nose in a book every free second I have.

Right now, as I write this, I honestly feel sick to my stomach. I've cried myself to sleep the last two nights. Why? Because this book has changed my mind on the events and aftermath of 9/11.

It's almost too much to handle all at once, all the revalations made by Mr. Griffin in this book. I feel like my mind has gone through a polar shift over the last 72 hours.

For over 5 years I've been blind. For 5 years I've been have been down-and-out lied to. Right under our noses, America was stolen by criminals. I'm infuriated, and don't know what to do with myself.

Reading this book was very much a life-altering event for me. I just hope enough people end up reading it. It could be the most important thing they ever do.

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Condemnation without Investigation is the Highest Form of Ignorance!

Doc, we all stopped giving a damn about what you have to say a long time ago; so don't let this feed your very apparent thirst for attention.

This is a thread for PERSONAL CONSPIRACY THEORIES. If you want to push 9/11 theories on us, just make a thread of your own.. again. So we can prove you wrong.. again.

(Or so we can just ignore said thread altogether.)

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

A least he is speaking his mind and beliefs. Hay Doc, my dad shares your oppinion to about 911. Let me ask you something, do you belive that man landed on the moon?

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Aaron's Stuff

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting aaron_da_killa</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>A least he is speaking his mind and beliefs. Hay Doc, my dad shares your oppinion to about 911.</DIV></DIV>

I'm suprised no one has said anything since Aaron posted that. Did it make you step back and re-think what your wrote, Bewbies?

<DIV class=quotetitle>? posted by Bewbies</DIV>
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Doc, we all stopped giving a damn about what you have to say a long time ago; so don't let this feed your very apparent thirst for attention.

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So does that mean that Aaron's dad has a thirst for attention too since he doubts the official 911 theory? I applaud your Dad, Aaron, for examining the information in front of his face. I'm glad he's awake.

About the Moon landing, I doubt it ever happened. Of course, this is just my personal opinion, and I don't have alot of hard evidence to back up my opinion on this subject.

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Condemnation without Investigation is the Highest Form of Ignorance!

Does Aaron's dad burst into book club meetings, spewing 9/11 theory bulls**t? Or maybe he stands up in the middle of church service to do so? I bet my lunch money that he doesn't. Because most people, even 9/11 conspiracy theorists, have some sense of time/place for their rants.

I'm suprised no one has said anything since Aaron posted that. Did it make you step back and re-think what your wrote, Bewbies?

Speaking your mind, I have no issue with.. Speaking someone else's mind every chance you get, no matter how inappropriate, I have an issue with. 90% of your posts are copy+pasted half-baked theories posted in unrelated threads. In this thread, for example, I deliberately examplified the 'fake moon landing' conspiracy theory as inappropriate -- but yet you felt the need to post anyway. wtfm8? Can you not read?

by this, i don't mean "there was no moon landing", but rather a personally-founded conspiracy.

If you want to make your own thread, go right ahead. In fact, please do; I'd love to use my highschool-dropout common sense and limited knowledge of physics to debunk everything you bring to the table. (Again.)

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the players tried to take the field
the marching band refused to yield

Doc, I have always believed, and still will believe, that you're full of it. I'll back Bewbies up on that, to what little extent I'm capable of.

I generally don't like to attack people on forums, due to huge ammount of flaming that can ensue and the posibility of starting WWIII or something, but I almost feel that I have to:

About the Moon landing, I doubt it ever happened.

Oh man, I just burst a seem laughing so hard. I'd like to use this as further evidence to say that you're full of it. In fact, I don't think I've ever blown off someone's opinion so fast in my entire life :/

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

It really is no use. He wont stop. How do I know this? He's a moron. Morons don't know how to stop.

He's just like every other crack-pot theorist out there, except he likes annoying us. He knows we don't care and that we don't want to hear to idiotic and "unique" ideas he has to share. That's exactly why he's sharing them.

He doesn't care about being made to look stupid in any way, I mean, look what he's preaching, I would imagine his goal is much more on the "annoy everyone" end of things.

At least, you'd have to be more sane to want to annoy people than to believe the s**t he's spewing.

But I actually wouldn't mind discussing the moon landing arguments. Because the opinions that support it being fake are so amusing. I think my favorite two are "The astronauts would have had to pass through the cosmic microwave background radiation and that would have killed them" and "the flag is waving in the wind on the surface". They're amusing because they completely ignore how things work and what 'things' are exactly.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Most of the reasons for the moon landings being fake, also make all of the space shuttle missions fake. But still, it's great how they come up with all sorts of new tech and materials for the so-called "space race", just to keep us thinking it's for real.

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i eat paint

I cant quite remember why he thinks this, but I remember he said to give america power or somthing. I remember him talking about it to me for like half an hour and me thinking (not saying I belive it at all!) that kinda makes sense.

And he dosent "burst into book club meetings, spewing 9/11 theory bulls**t? Or maybe he stands up in the middle of church service to do so? I bet my lunch money that he doesn't. Because most people, even 9/11 conspiracy theorists, have some sense of time/place for their rants." as bewbies said. He just keeps it to him self.

About the moon landing. I dont know mabye it was fake but in Australian TV they ran this program on April fools day where they explained all the things that made the moon landing fake : like the two things crono said and that there are no stars in the background. But then late at night they ran a program explaining that it was an april fools joke and that they explained why the flag was waving and all. Sorry O cant remember the reason.

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Aaron's Stuff

The moon landing was real, the video wasn't. There's a documentary about high ranking politicians confessing it was shot in a studio because they didn't have the real footage and needed it to glorify the event to the public. cba to look it up though.