Asshat, yes you.

Recently we had someone post a topic on ABORTION. I don't feel this is the place to discuss such matters, nor POLITICS, or RELIGION. This is a Mapping/Model/Mod site. We should be discussing things related to this hobby we share. Want to have general banter.. make it about cars, or sports, or some other stupid fun topic, and argue over that. But Leave your Political, Religious, Bullcrap for your blog, facebook, twitter page. Want to talk about that crap there, link us, and I will give you an eye full of text on my feelings on stuff.

Want to see, here is my Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/G4MER

Maybe Twitter is your thing:

http://twitter.com/G4MER

Ok, my blog: ( dont use it much )

http://my.opera.com/MUHNAY/blog/

It is "general banter", and most of the active posters hear don't even map much anymore. Good debates, whether or not they are belligerent and or stupid, are the life blood of a speech based community. It keeps people interested.

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They don't map any more? why not?

Speaking of Mapping if I add a 3D sky box to my map does it have to have the other skybox still?

Muhnay said:
They don't map any more? why not?

Sometimes you want a pause when it's about mapping. After 6 months or something, when you have the time again, you will map again.

The people still post in the General Banter about random stuff because they want to share their thoughts, and want to stick to the community.

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Yes but what about my 3D skybox Question?

muhnay, this community is about more than mapping, it's about a bunch of guys that we feel we can talk to about whatever we want as well, that's they way the pit has always been

if you want to talk about mapping we have forums for that general banter, as stated previously, is just for that

and yes a lot of us have been off of mapping for various reasons, I haven't mapped in years, just haven't found the inspiration, am lazy and useless, I dunno

either way, I stick around anyway because you're all my boys

Why be so hostile against religious, political, or abortion related topics? No one is making you read the stuff people post in general banter, and the topics are completely valid and interesting. Plus if I'm not mistaken, you've posted in the past your opinion in such threads. -So what's the big deal?

Why wouldn't you want to "give [us] an eye full of text on [your] feelings on stuff" right here? Whatever the reason, I find it kind of selfish to be calling out thread starters of such topics "Asshats." I can understand if you don't care for it, but let's not be an asshat ourselves

And I mean all this in the most sincerest voice; I don't like to piss people off, I just felt passionate enough about this because I also fall into your category of "asshats."

About your 3D skybox question. -Well, you can't leave ares of your map open to the void, so they must remain covered. Areas you want you players to be able to look up and out to see your 3D skybox, you will still want to use the Skybox texture. So yes, you must keep both* skyboxes.

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The title is called a Fish Hook.. its is there to capture you and reel you in.. I too am an Asshat... when I said that I was calling us all out. The reason for the topic is, My grandmother taught me a golden rule.. never talk of Politics or Religion in mixed company, nothing good can ever come of it.. It being Halloween, and her being dead, and I remembering her, was sharing this golden rule she taught me.

And to be honest it was a way for self promotion too.. it gave me a way ti link my other pages. Ok so I like to be provocative.. And fast.. Your my boy'o too.



Muhnay

Well quite, Muhnay! I feel perhaps you do enjoy the community discussing topics such as abortion, perhaps you are fearful of the conversation being upset. I'd say you shouldn't need to worry - we have all, the active users, been through the arguments many times over and prefer a good discussion nowadays. I know me and you have had crossed words in the past on old time Snarkpit topics, but we now see the better way to discuss it.

Don't let any one person get you down, and join in the discussion. What we have had so far as to discussions involving recent members are much better than the old days.

Oh P.S., I added you on Twitter, Muhnay

Nice. I like being a TWITT. =)

"Muhnay" said:
Recently we had someone post a topic on ABORTION. I don't feel this is the place to discuss such matters, nor POLITICS, or RELIGION.

I don't see what's wrong with these sort of discussions. I think they benefit the community as it gives people an opportunity to converse. If you want to have discussions about level design then please be my guest. It's true that a lot of people here don't do any modding anymore but I and a few others still do and I don't see myself burning out anytime soon or shifting my priorities, especially since I want to get in the industry.

Also sports and cars are kind of boring (for me) and this is a pretty multicultural place (mainly North American and European) so I imagine talking about sports would be a bit hard.

I think the things I would be most interested in talking about are games and games development, philosophical discussions (abortion and religion included), and lifestyle things.

"Muhnay" said:
My grandmother taught me a golden rule.. never talk of Politics or Religion in mixed company, nothing good can ever come of it.

Why not? Do people take themselves so seriously they can't have friendships with people who think differently? I think not plus this is the interwebs, non confrontational and there is a certain degree of anonymity so it's a lot less risky.

"Muhnay" said:
Ok so I like to be provocative.. And fast..

Please elaborate.

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You know it's interesting you should say what your grandma told you, because even though I don't agree that we shouldn't discuss everything, because the Pit is a bunch of great people, back a couple of years ago, I had to quit my philosophy class which I had elected to do as a subject, because the majority of the class hated me just for my views.

Eg. Scenario 1:

You are in a jungle somewhere in a remote part of the world, and you come across an old friend who you were very close to. He is now a part of the secret service and is about to assassinate 20 innocent people. You tell him to stop, and he says to you, "Ok I will not kill anyone, on the condition that you shoot one of them"

I said that there is no way I'd pull the trigger at an innocent person, and the entire class disagreed and disliked me since.

Scenario 2:

Should IVF be legal for lesbians?

I answered no, because I believe that a child has a right to a parent of each gender because parents are the primary role models for children, and they should be exposed to both, so they will know how to treat both genders with proper respect. I also added that I am against gay marriage, and afterwards my entire class hated me so much, I was left with no choice but to withdraw from the class.

So what I'm trying to say with these two things is, sometimes it's good to discuss all opinions we have, given that we know the type of people we're dealing with. Sometimes, however, people can be very cruel, and it's good to remain uninvolved.

I sincerely believe that The Snarkpit members are a great deal more mature than my 'year 10 philosophy' class ever was, and we can engage in any discussion without having daggers for each other. And so in my opinion, any topic put forward by anyone on The Pit should be welcomed with further discussion and own opinions, regardless of how diverse they may be.

Wow, it is pretty ridiculous that you ended up having to leave the class, and a philosophy class no less! Whether or not I agree with your opinions I'd never suggest you weren't entitled to them. I wouldn't say that your opinions are so far out that they ought to spark outright hatred either, though obviously the gay marriage issue in particular is always going to be a flammable topic!

I think a community like this should always be open to any sort of discussion. I see muhnay's point about "never talk about politics/religion/etc in mixed company", but I don't believe it applies to a forum such as this. That "rule" is very helpful in avoiding putting people on the spot, offending them, or making them feel awkward in amongst other people, but on a forum if a person can't really be made to feel that as if they don't want to discuss their views or read the views of others they can simply ignore the thread.

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**Dedi** said:
Eg. Scenario 1:

You are in a jungle somewhere in a remote part of the world, and you come across an old friend who you were very close to. He is now a part of the secret service and is about to assassinate 20 innocent people. You tell him to stop, and he says to you, "Ok I will not kill anyone, on the condition that you shoot one of them"

I said that there is no way I'd pull the trigger at an innocent person, and the entire class disagreed and disliked me since.

Wow, what a crappy philosophy class.

It's a rather real problem, too. Comparable to a discussion we had in Austria, after terror fears regarding the Euro 08 Football championship: If a plane is hijacked, flying towards a stadium (9/11 scenario), should the air force be allowed to shoot it down? It was ultimately decided not to be allowed based on human rights issues. You can't play one group of people against another, even if one is bigger. Concretely speaking, there is the slightest of chances the people on the plane, for example, manage to regain control. You have to grant them that chance even if there is a risk for others.

Don't get me started on gay rights, though... If you are born gay (it's not a goddamn "life style" or "choice") and you feel the same intense feelings of love towards a same-sex partner... why should you not be able to live in a marriage? Also a same-sex couple that adopts a child and loves and cares about it is still better than a crappy hetero couple of single parent or, most importantly, living in an orphanage.

What was this thread about again?

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Larchy you crack me up man. you must hang with M. Night Shyamalan... nice twist

Oh that made my day hahahah. Whoever made this?!

haha, funny stuff.

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Aha that video is pretty professional looking.

Were those Australian accents I heard?

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I have a question for the masses. Im not really even sure what the argument is against gay marriage. Is is moral based (marriage is b/t man and a woman)? Or is it economical (it would be bad if gay couples had tax rights)?

Dare I ask why it would be bad for gay couples to have tax rights? -Or am I not thinking something through?

I'm pro gay marriage, and I think (based on my own personal observations) that a lot of the argument against it comes from completely unsupported religious bias. I think those bringing up the moral discussion in defense (for anti-gay movements) rely too heavily on the "look at nature" clause which is hypocritically flawed anyway, and the morality of it all is skewed due to the bronze age writings of a lot of religious texts. What I'd like to say though is that as a society (here in the U.S anyway) I'd thought we'd be much farther along by now in civil rights issues. Guess I'll have to wait a little longer?

For instance, here in the deep south where I live (along the southern Bible belt of America) I find it highly unlikely that I would get far if I ever made it known that I was atheist. To go out in a public place (in the South) and proclaim your atheism would be akin to standing in front of a veterans rally burning the flag. They'd chase you down.

I don't mean to offend anyone, just helping to spark discussion

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I guess it has a lot to do with upbringing. From very early I know that everyone in my family and around me and in the society disliked homosexuals and thought they were disgusting, and so I guess I grew to be unsupportive of gay marriage. My main argument though, is the 'chilren having the right to a father and a mother' idea, so I guess I wouldn't have much problem if gay people marry, so long as they don't have children. But then again, I guess that could be interpreted as a very egotistic view of me as a heterosexual, since children from orphanages would rather prefer any family than no family, and some gay people would like kids.

....So we seem to have shifted 2 separate threads in the same direction, if I'm not mistaken

**Dedi** said:
From very early I know that everyone in my family and around me and in the society disliked homosexuals and thought they were disgusting

That's a bit... I have a few gay and bisexual friends and to think that somebody would instantly disregard them because of their sexuality is quite sad.

Riven said:
For instance, here in the deep south where I live (along the southern Bible belt of America) I find it highly unlikely that I would get far if I ever made it known that I was atheist. To go out in a public place (in the South) and proclaim your atheism would be akin to standing in front of a veterans rally burning the flag. They'd chase you down.

See that's silly. I'm glad Australia or at least my region isn't like that.

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I don't care if Gay people marry or not. It does seem to come from a religious aspect, even marriage does since most are performed in a church. So it that regards why do gay people want to be where they are not accepted, why do they feel they need to have a parade, why do they feel they have to shove their life style down every ones throat? Just be who you are and stop trying to get anyone to accept you.

Now to toss a wrench in.. If gay is a gene, and we have mapped them out, I don't think there will be any gay people in the future. They can isolate that gene and kill it, but I think the first step maybe to abort... before we get to that level of gene alteration.

I think people can be born gay or bred gay.

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Riven said:
For instance, here in the deep south where I live (along the southern Bible belt of America) I find it highly unlikely that I would get far if I ever made it known that I was atheist. To go out in a public place (in the South) and proclaim your atheism would be akin to standing in front of a veterans rally burning the flag. They'd chase you down.

"aaron_da_killa" said:
...bred gay.

WTF?

If I had a same sex relationship when I was 16 but not since does that make me gay? Does that make me bi? Even if I'd never think of being like that again?

What pisses me off is people labelling everything. Why can't you express love for someone regardless of sex without having some condescending and patronising label slapped on you? People are more complicated than that.

What about New York Zoo's gay penguins? What about the ponobos chimp (one of two to which we are most closely related.. 99.3% identical DNA or something) which has serial intercourse with it's entire family and social group regardless of age or sex. Do they need 'cured'?

Larchy, that is a great VID.. who are those guys? I lived in Gulfport Mississippi during Katrina. I worked at a little Casino in Biloxi called treasure bay in security. The difference between Mississippi and Louisiana is we were hit harder by the hurricane than N.O. and yet we are much furth along in our repairs. But yeah man, that about explains the South... to a T.

Personal Story. I had a high School Principal whisper across a large desk... "THIS IS A MOSTLY BLACK SCHOOL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK INTO A PRIVATE SCHOOL. ALL NIGGERS HERE." and then she slumped back in her chair like it was never said. But right now the Hispanic population is being teamed up on in the South.. they are not wanted by either of the old school camps.. Black & White.

OMG surely you know Top Gear?!

I remember watching that on tv! Great episode!

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Hah, yea, Alabama would be the pinnacle of ignorance of the South. Although Louisiana (where I currently live) Is not too far off. We have our hick towns (I should know, I've got "hick" relatives that live in them) but the larger cities are a much saner haven. -And It's now been over 4 years since hurricane Katrina and New Orleans has improved somewhat better that the scene depicted in those shots, but not too much better. Just imagine all those houses mowed down and you'll have a much more up-to-date image of what the 9nth ward of NO looks like now. Of course, the original blocks that the city is famous for are still in-tact.

Being an architecture student, we've had a few guest speakers from some of the firms down there come talk to us about their urban renewal plans; really big stuff. The city in our life time should be making a nice but gradual come-back. It still thrives on the tourism, so it can't lose it's image over the unpopular parts, lest it die economically. They can't afford to let the rest of the city outside the French Quarter decay.

But beyond that, I'm proud to be born of Louisiana due to it's history and unique culture, but beyond that the state suffers in a lot of regards, and I'd like to move out of it as soon as I graduate. It'll be interesting to start anew though; moving to a place where you know absolutely no one. Leaving all your family & friends behind; yea, that's what's in-store for me

Doesn't everyone wish to live amongst like-minded people? -Of course, I'd lose that fun opprotunity to debate my more hard-coded Christian friends about the existence of God and origin of morality if everyone I know already agrees with me. Conundrums; plenty to think about....

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Hahahah, yeah definitely. Even though I'm catholic by birth I debate so much with my 'believer' family and friends because as obviously I study biology I'd be an evolution person rather than believing in some specifics of religions.

Then again, if everyone agrees with you, at least you know you aren't going insane with beliefs

We've talked a lot about politics and religion on these forms. Every moderator we've ever had, including Leperous, has taken part in those discussions. At one point, you would see a new gigantic, theater-filled thread about homosexuality or Christianity about once every other month.

This is true Cassius, I remember those days well. Somehow no one ever agreed with the side Orpheus picked :P

Cassius said:
Every moderator we've ever had, including Leperous, has taken part in those discussions.

Yea, so what's up with that? -Have we filtered out everyone that's ever disagreed with the moderators? And the ones left don't feel it necessary to "preach to the choir" any longer? Do we now belong to a world society that preaches respect and non-offense are required to live peacefully? If it offends you, leave the premises.

It certainly is weird why we haven't had any discussions like that since those days.

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Well then lets talk about the terrorist being tried in New York and why its a big mistake.

I have a difficult time debating any particular moral or political issue because I have a hard time saying what morality and justice are in the first place. You don't have to be a philosopher to notice that we often take for granted the ethical assumptions we rest our political arguments on. People will argue until they can't feel their lips that a decision violates someone's rights, or that it's what God wants, or what have you. But you will never hear someone ask the more substantive question: What does it matter whether anyone's rights are respected are not? — Better yet, what are rights, and why should we believe we have them? As for God — what is His will? How do we know? And why should we take it into account when making decisions?

Hey, it's General Banter. That means anything goes!

And man, sometimes I agreed with Orpheus' stance on an issue, but i was embarrassed to say so because of his reason for thinking it. It's like:

Orph: Women get paid less than men on average.
Nickel: well, I agree wi--
Orph: BECAUSE THEY PEE FROM THEIR BUTTS!

"Cassius" said:
As for God — what is His will? How do we know?

You made the assumption god exists :P

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aaron_da_killa said:

"Cassius" said:
As for God — what is His will? How do we know?

You made the assumption god exists :P

OH SNAP!

I do Exist, you best recognize.

Oh.. going on 3 pages now this thread.. impressive.