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                        I currently have an old Razer Boomslang 2000, which is horrible and sticky and falling apart. I need to replace it pronto, so I'm panning for opinions.
My priority is gaming precision, despite the fact that I play infrequently. So far I've heard good things about the Logictech MX310. Another possibility is a replacement Razer, but I suspect they are outclassed by today's optical mice.
Opinions? Thoughts? Polemic tirades?
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by matt on 
    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 6:29pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        Gamers who buy these expensive mice are being done over, so to speak. I'm using a Packard bell optical mouse that works a treat, and it only cost me ?10 for Dixons.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 6:34pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        I use a logitech trackball and have no problems with it. The only thing it lacks is a wheel but I make do otherwise with that and a Microsoft Sidewinder force feedback 2. Nice combo, especially for hl and BF 1942. BTW, I hate using a keyboard to game, and I've seen these game claws type thingy  controllers. Anybody got any input on which might be nice to try for a keyboard inept gamer????
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by matt on 
    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 6:54pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        That sounds to cool to be true, linkage?
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by Forceflow on 
    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 7:41pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
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                        Samsung cheap optical mouse, works great.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by Wild Card on 
    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 7:44pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
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                        My mouse cost me 60$ (Can cur) when a standar 2 button ball mouse would cost between 10$ and 15$.  But it IS worth it.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by mazemaster on 
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                        I'm with WildCard. Great mouse.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by Gollum on 
    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 9:39pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        I find the MS intellimouse too bulky - I like to hold a mouse in my fingers rather than the palm of my hand.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 9:57pm
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        Yes, Gollum, once again, you're right . . .
I'm partial to Logitec (none of their courless crap though) I've got a standard three button optic mouse and I woop on people, so Its good, however, I really can't imagine not having the wheel anymore. It only cost $15 because it's black, the normal (white) model is $13. A friend of mine went overkill and bought a $40 logitec, granted its a damn nice mouse, I'd never find the use for 7 buttons (only five are usable in games)
I did see a Logitec uh MX300 I think . . . anyway, it was pretty cool, it was basically what I had, but with some silver and two extra buttons which would be really nice for up coming games (taking that you have so many freakin' buttons to use, I'm running out of room on my keyboard, Far Cry, for example has controls I didn't even know of, like "hold your breath") it was only $30, so I might consider picking it up at some point.
Anyway, I don't want to be a "thread killer" so to speak (you bastards lol) so that's all from me :smile:
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by gimpinthesink on 
    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 10:02pm
                     
                    
                        
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                        I've just got a basic microsoft optical wheel mouse and it works absolutly fine, Ive never had a problem with it.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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    Mon Feb 23rd 2004 at 10:05pm
                     
                    
                        
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                        I'm sorry. . . lol Just kidding .  .  . I just can't stand Microsoft's mouse "architecture" Gollum said it best I must say, once again. By the way I can probably assume that "basic" mouse cost you "basically" $30-$50 lol. (I'm not making fun of you, gimp, it's just MS is known for overpricing questionable products.)
Anyway, to each his own.
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                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by Yak_Fighter on 
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                        As long as the mouse has two buttons and a wheel I'm fine. I've never really come across an instance where the mouse hindered me, as it's all about getting used to a certain sensitivity.
I've got a basic (and driverless) logitech mouse from 1996 or somesuch that replaced my big MS optical mouse which I broke, and that mouse replaced a generic Compaq one I got with my first computer...there are far more important parts of the computer to worry about for good gaming, like a sharp monitor, a fast 3d card, ram, etc etc. The per-pixel accuracy of a mouse ain't no thang, especially when I don't play games that require me to aim at single pixels...
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by scary_jeff on 
    Tue Feb 24th 2004 at 12:04am
                     
                    
                        
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                        Don't knock microsoft mice. If microsoft only made mice, nobody would have a bad thing to say about them.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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    Tue Feb 24th 2004 at 1:17am
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
                    
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                        Sorry, no, the one thing I hate almost more then anything from Microsoft is their mice. It's just a physical comfort issue, they're bulky and uncomfortable, well for me anyway. I'm not saying don't use one, its up to you, I just don't like them.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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    Tue Feb 24th 2004 at 2:13am
                     
                    
                 
                
            
            
                
    
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                        If you have a laptop, totaly go for a dual-sensor optical. they work on almost any surface with precision. the main reason I got it was that I was having touble mapping with my single-sensor model. on rougher surfaces I simply could not click on individual verticies consistantly.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by Gorbachev on 
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                        I use a Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical, it's the nicest mouse I've seen, it costs like $20 CDN isn't bulky like you'd like to say, plays all games nice 'n smooth.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
                        Posted by scary_jeff on 
    Tue Feb 24th 2004 at 11:33am
                     
                    
                        
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                        I hold my MS mouse in my fingers. It is possible to use it comfortably with either fingers or palm, but I prefer to use fingers. If microsoft weren't unpopular for other reasons, you would just say you prefer to have a smaller mouse, not that the MS ones are 'bulky and horrible'. Loads of people have an MS mouse and it's not like they have any kind of monopoly in this area. If their mice suck so bad, why do so many people have them?
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        Mice mice mice mice mice
meh... i use a Logitech Idontknowwhatitis. Got it june last year... its purely functional, but its pretty good considering.
MS mice are great. I suppose if you have small hands they might be a bit of a problem, but average-sized and up hands are fine with MS mice
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        I personally like the combo of big mouse + high sensitivity.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        'fraid thats almost too late
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        I love the "bulkiness" of my microsoft mouse, it takes the pain away, I cant hold anything else for more than like 2 minutes/
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        i have a Cre@tivE IceMouse. It glows BLUE instead of RED!!! WHOAA, TRIPPY! i luv it. my 13-year-old sis treats it like a living animal and says thatit's hyper or, how she spells it, "hipur". she calls it hyper because I turned up my sensitivity all the way up.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        No, a standard mac mouse has one button, you can definatly buy a 3 or 5 button mouse for a mac.
Its not big deal, I was just pointing it out, In all actuality it's probably the same mouse model with  a difference connector. :smile:
Also, why does everyone call it IBM compatible when Intel invented the architecture they're using? lol I've alwasy wondered that.
IBM's "famed" architecture was . . . mind boggling to say the least. Rest in peace 360. . . good night sweet prince . . .
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                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        It's IBM compatible and not Intel compatible because IBM made the first real 'PC' using an Intel chip... there were other companies that had arguably better solutions than intel - IBM are the ones that did the unique thing of making a 'PC', that could use different peripherals that were listed as 'IBM compatible' (so people knew that the peripheral would work on their shiny new Intel-based IBM PC).
Crono... you said you hate MS mice. What lower feeling towards something is there than hate? I maintain that if microsoft didn't exist and somebody else made that exact same mouse, you wouldn't be so hard on it :smile:
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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    Wed Feb 25th 2004 at 12:54am
                     
                    
                        
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                        Dont go for anything expensive, I got a laser mouse with 5 buttons for under 20$. So far its been great to me.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        I don't see how bulkiness could cause cramps...it's usually the other way around.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        Gorb, I have weird hands then, because, as it is now, I can rest my hand on my desk and move my mouse with my fingers quite easily, no cramps. When I used a MS mouse (a long time ago) I had to actually rest my hand on the mouse, not my desk, or whatever surface under the mouse, thus hurting my wrist and causing the middle part of my palm to cramp (I have problems with my hands, not so good taking that I'm only 20, arthritis here I come . . .)
The last time I had a doctor look at it he said I had tendinitis, but it was an HMO, so I think he was full of s**t.
No, Jeff. It really is the size of the damn thing that I don't like. The  company in general is a differnet matter, but if they made something that was a honest to God solution, then I'd probably be fine with it, I mean look at Mac, I don't like them, but I support OSX and their Hardware.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        Orph, I don't know what mind set you've got right now, but it's creepy . . . lol . . . (my love life isn't self administered, just to be clear) . . . secondly, I know you were joking and all, but seriously, sometimes my hands hurt like f**king hell.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        That is just...not...right.
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        Wil5on, for some reason I have the feeling that you're the kind of guy who wants Cathod lights in his computer which will be sitting in a corner . . . . (just kidding, blue does look cool.)
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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^_^ owned.
progaaaaaaaamez0r
/me just come back from a CS competition, used my own keyboard, mouse, mousepad, and headphones :wink:
skeel + good equipment = ownage. gg.
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lol, i take gaming quite seriously and i like my chunky intellimouse v3 :biggrin:
                                    
             
        
            
            
                                     
                                
                    
                        Re: Mice for gaming
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                        The code included in the PDF is stageringly complicated... made my eyes hurt looking at it.