RIAA at it again...

<a class="NewsHeader" name="Music Industry Seeks Digital Radio Copying Limits"></a>[quote]

Digital radio broadcasts that bring CD-quality sound to the airwaves
could lead to unfettered song copying if protections are not put in
place, a recording-industry trade group warned.

Without copy protections, music fans could cherry-pick songs off the
air and redistribute them over the Internet, further deepening the
copyright woes of record labels, the Recording Industry Association of
America.

Roughly 300 stations now broadcast digital signals or are in the
process of setting them up. RIAA officials said digital-radio players
could soon allow listeners to record certain songs automatically when
they are broadcast, allowing they to build a free library of music they
otherwise might pay for and distribute it to millions of others over
the Internet.

Under restrictions proposed by the RIAA, listeners would be able to
record digital broadcasts for later playback, but would not be able to
divide that broadcast up into individual songs. Listeners would also
not be able to program their players to record certain songs, or
redistribute those recordings over the Internet. The RIAA plans to
submit its proposal to the FCC next Wednesday.

[/quote]

Does this strike anyone else as more petty bulls**t? They will have
absolutely no way of monitoring or controlling people who record
digital broadcasts so why try to enforce restrictions? All they're
doing is further distancing themselves from the filthy song-stealing
public.

RIAA officials said digital-radio players could soon allow listeners to record certain songs automatically when they are broadcast

Way to miss the boat RIAA 'officials'. Maybe if you knew anything about the network and technology you seek to control, you may have a bit more luck. This has been going on for ages with streaming radio stations. I suppose that everyone with a DAB radio is going to have to take it back and get a new 'secure' one? Just another stupid misinformed totally unworkable idea from the RIAA. Perhaps if they spent more money on finding some more decent new artists instead of trying to develop anti-piracy technology that is obsolete before it's released, there wouldn't be a record sales problem in the first place.

This ins't even funny anymore. It's almost self-parody.

I agree Jeff. They'll never curb piracy with their current tacitcs.
They did a pretty good job of filling up file sharing networks with
fake versions of songs which was mildly irritating. However with the growing
poplarity of torrents hosted on sites which check them first creating
fakes is no longer a viable option. Then there are the encrypted p2p
programs that are so secure your ISP can't even tell what you're
downloading.

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Next thing you know, we won't be allowed to record a single television show at a time, and then... ...the next logical step:

Make camcorders and other cameras illegal. Or better yet, we could just make all new digital electronics illegal, to help "protect the record industry". Seriously, there are some near-sighted people out there coming up with these foolishly slaphappy restrictions.

Maybe the Record and Movie industries should focus on

a) making their products reasonably priced

b) making music/movies that are worth buying for said price

Most movies aren't worth the bandwidth to download for free, much less the $$ to see in them in theatres or on dvd. And I mostly use P2P to try out new music and anime- the best of which I then buy on cd or dvd. I think part of the reason for the anime craze in the US is the low quality of home-grown entertainment.

The real danger of P2P is that it lets people get into more varieties of music- rather than buy the same 5 albums everyone else does, which is what the record industry wants.

Jinx said:
The real danger of P2P is that it lets people get into more varieties of music- rather than buy the same 5 albums everyone else does, which is what the record industry wants.

Good point. Never looked at it that way.

Damn, I hate the anime craze. When I walk through the halls at school, and I hear some kids speaking god damn Japanese, it almost makes me feel like their talking of the day of their coming invasion. Gah. But aside from that I have no problem with it.

But I digress.

It's only natural that something like this would happen. The proles find a way to steal something the rich have, and the rich look for new ways to defend it. It's that simple. Only in this case the rich obviously did not get where they are today by their stunning intellect.

Since I started downloading music I've expanded my musical tastes beyond mainstream rock and grunge to include punk and metal and discovered a bunch of bands I now really enjoy. Every CD I've bought in the last two years was a direct consequence of downloading mp3s, and I've managed to double my music collection AND have increased my overall enjoyment of music. If only the RIAA would pull their heads out of their asses and realize that many people are just like me... :rolleyes:

As for anime, some of it is very creative and some of it is so nonsensical and random that its stupid. Or its crappy animated porn. To each their own, but I must say that most of the people in the anime club at my university who take it really seriously and aren't Japanese are the kinds of people I want to stuff in a locker and flex my soccer-playing muscles. :biggrin: If only we had lockers and I still played soccer

Yak_Fighter said:
Since I started downloading music I've expanded my musical tastes beyond mainstream rock and grunge to include punk and metal and discovered a bunch of bands I now really enjoy. Every CD I've bought in the last two years was a direct consequence of downloading mp3s, and I've managed to double my music collection AND have increased my overall enjoyment of music. If only the RIAA would pull their heads out of their asses and realize that many people are just like me... :rolleyes:

As for anime, some of it is very creative and some of it is so nonsensical and random that its stupid. Or its crappy animated porn. To each their own, but I must say that most of the people in the anime club at my university who take it really seriously and aren't Japanese are the kinds of people I want to stuff in a locker and flex my soccer-playing muscles. :biggrin: If only we had lockers and I still played soccer

Ditto.

It's been said a thousand times before, and so like a good little Slashdot sheep I'll say it again:

Technological issues are not solved with legislation!

My opinion on this is that there isnt anything the RIAA can do, therell always be ways to copy music/movies, its part of the nature of the medium. I think they should just stop trying (since all they are is a minor annoyance at most).

I've never paid money for music, and I dont plan on doing so.

<DIV>I really don't see what the RIAA's problem is with digital broadcasting anyway. The radio stations must ask the artists whether their music can be released before they broadcast it - if an artist doesn't want their music being open to this form of piracy, they can just say "no" to digital broadcasting. Simple.</DIV>
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<DIV>I download the majority of my music, and through this have moved through several different styles (techno, punk and currently metal). Also, my general appreciation of music has increased - so I'm pretty much the same as Yak Fighter. I've bought several CDs which I don't think I would've bothered with if I hadn't listened to the good music so much.</DIV>
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<DIV>Has anyone else noticed how tight everything government has gotten since 9/11? They're pulling up near any excuse they can to restrict people and remove civil liberties - usually terrorism. Well, at least that's how it's become here in Aus. Say the word "terrorist", "SPAM" or "pirate" and everybody suddenly turns into a yes-man.</DIV>

As you say Wilson, the ability to copy is in the very nature of the medium. Good god, no mater how good their "anti-piracy" measures are, if you can play it, you can copy it! all you have to do is take that S-video cable, or speaker out, and plug it into a computer! Bingo a perfect copy! are they so stupid that they don't realize this?

They're so stupid that they hope we're so stupid we don't realise this.

all you have to do is take that S-video cable, or speaker out, and plug it into a computer! Bingo a perfect copy! are they so stupid that they don't realize this?

They do indeed realise this. How long will it be, I wonder, before we start seeing sound cards lacking a microphone socket? I mean, nobody really needs them, do they?

I think that the main reason why they are trying to curtail this is because these broadcasts would contain metadata regarding the music, and they don't want someone to create a device that essentially just "listens" to the broadcasts, parsing the metadata for every song coming in, then recording the song with metadata intact- essentially creating a virtual library of "free" music ready to copy over to your computer.

I can see that becoming a slight "problem" in their eyes, but it's still a ridiculous effort on their part. Just like the industry heads claimed that personal VCR's capable of recording TV/Movies would be the downfall of the movie industy, and how tape decks in the early '80s would cause the downfall of the music buisness.

Alien_Sniper said:
<A class=NewsHeader name="Music Industry Seeks Digital Radio Copying Limits"></A>[quote]

Digital radio broadcasts that bring CD-quality sound to the airwaves could lead to unfettered song copying if protections are not put in place, a recording-industry trade group warned.

Without copy protections, music fans could cherry-pick songs off the air and redistribute them over the Internet, further deepening the copyright woes of record labels, the Recording Industry Association of America.

Roughly 300 stations now broadcast digital signals or are in the process of setting them up. RIAA officials said digital-radio players could soon allow listeners to record certain songs automatically when they are broadcast, allowing they to build a free library of music they otherwise might pay for and distribute it to millions of others over the Internet.

Under restrictions proposed by the RIAA, listeners would be able to record digital broadcasts for later playback, but would not be able to divide that broadcast up into individual songs. Listeners would also not be able to program their players to record certain songs, or redistribute those recordings over the Internet. The RIAA plans to submit its proposal to the FCC next Wednesday.

Does this strike anyone else as more petty bulls**t? They will have absolutely no way of monitoring or controlling people who record digital broadcasts so why try to enforce restrictions? All they're doing is further distancing themselves from the filthy song-stealing public.

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You know, I can actually illeagally copy music off that Doom Music website via an analog sound set up :biggrin: Hells bells, you can copy a music video off the internet as long as you have an analog sound set up. A tape, few wires, a VHS machine, and your ready to be a criminal! :biggrin:

(Guess who does this?) :biggrin:

Yippie Ki Yay!



EDIT: Which means, I don't need no bogus jive super flix air radio signal to illeagally copy music. :razz:

DesPlesda said:

all you have to do is take that S-video cable, or speaker out, and plug it into a computer! Bingo a perfect copy! are they so stupid that they don't realize this?

They do indeed realise this. How long will it be, I wonder, before we start seeing sound cards lacking a microphone socket? I mean, nobody really needs them, do they?

Well, sound people do. Personnaly, I think most of the music out there kind of stinks anyway. And its not a mic in put that you copy analog signal through -- its your in put jack on your sound card. Remember: mic is mono. Input is stereo. Mic has low voltage. Input has high voltage. :smile:

Yippie Ki Yay!

DesPlesda said:
They do indeed realise this. How long will it be, I wonder, before we start seeing sound cards lacking a microphone socket? I mean, nobody really needs them, do they?

only privacy issue nuts wouldn't use them i suppose..

while i ran [DRS] i used ICQ's live chat nearly every day.. it worked nearly flawlessly and made communicating so much more efficient..

this forum here, is the only place i have been on line, that actually discourages live chats.. i have tried numerous times to get my fellow pitters to gab in real time.. all but a couple... refused.

otherwise.. i never use my mic.

2-bits said:
Damn, I hate the anime craze. When I walk through the halls at school, and I hear some kids speaking god damn Japanese, it almost makes me feel like their talking of the day of their coming invasion. Gah. But aside from that I have no problem with it.

But I digress.

It's only natural that something like this would happen. The proles find a way to steal something the rich have, and the rich look for new ways to defend it. It's that simple. Only in this case the rich obviously did not get where they are today by their stunning intellect.

I'm making a seperate post because I don't wanna EVER hear you say that anime is stupid. Ever. Period. If not, then there is going to be a messy incident involving a double barreled shotgun , a forklift, and an industrial car smasher. :razz:

Yippie Ki Yay!

FFS stop posting in stupid colours and with 'Yippie Ki Yay!' twice at the end of every post!

Lep, maybe you could put one of those "i am not associated with any law enforcement agency, the RIAA, etc. and i understand that if i am, then i am entering this site illegaly" tyres of disclaimers on the front page before this gets any worse.

ROFL is the sig getting to you too. see Dave, i wasn't being nastly. :wink:

Leperous said:
FFS stop posting in stupid colours and with 'Yippie Ki Yay!' twice at the end of every post!

I think I did stop posting in stupid colors if I remember correctly :wink:

I don't see how the yippie ki yay is a problem...

(A) I'm not spamming

(B) You can read over it...

No rudeness intended Lep, but I don't see hows it's such a big problem...

Yippie Ki ...... well, you know.

G.Ballblue said:
No rudeness intended Lep, but I don't see hows it's such a big problem...

it wouldn't be except for its repetitive nature.. its akin to a squeaky hinge.. before long you either oil it (asking you to stop) or you replace the hinge (ask you to leave)

far be it for us to be completely evil and go for option #2 first.. but you are skipping #1 when you ignore a repeated request.

its not a BIG PROBLEM, but it will be shortly..

take it from someone whom gets into trouble on a weekly basis (some would say daily).. lose the salutation..

Frankly, I see no reason to buy CDs anymore.

(On a seperate note: and you find me noobaphobic...)

Macrovision prevented analogue copying, but as with digital copy proteection, it's only a short matter of time before somebody breaks it.

I would use a mic if I had one. I know they cost bugger all, but I have no real need for one right now.

G.Ballblue - I think the problem is that you insist on typing it and having it in your sig. If you love to type it every time for some strange reason, why not take it out of your forum sig?

Mic's are essential for teamwork games like DOD. I'd have lost pretty much all of my clan matches if it wasn't for a good ol' Mic.

"Where's that sniper?"

"Top-left window"

bang

"sniper down, MOVE! Freeranger, cut left and grab that point. Bleeding angel cut right with me, everyone else straight down the centre"

I'd love to see you communicate that through text chat efficiently.

KingNic said:
I'd love to see you communicate that through text chat efficiently.

I do :razz:

Yippie Ki Yay!

I think that the mic comment was just a little thing that people call "facetious"...

Monqui said:
I think that the mic comment was just a little thing that people call "facetious"...

sadly, i actually had to look the word up..

sighs