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I'm not implementing that my idea is better than yak's. I'm not sure if our "big rooms" can be compared, since mine our completely different from his...

His room is designed so HL doesn't draw all of the room at the same time. Maybe. That's only , I guess, about 75 - 50 percent of the entire room (just a guess :\ )

My rooms however, have nothing in them that stops HL from drawing all of the room at one time. I would need a two screenshots to show you what the size of rooms are...

I'll go upload them into my profile just sec.

G.Ballblue said:
I'm not implementing that my idea is better than yak's. I'm not sure if our "big rooms" can be compared, since mine our completely different from his...

His room is designed so HL doesn't draw all of the room at the same time. Maybe. That's only , I guess, about 75 - 50 percent of the entire room (just a guess :\ )

My rooms however, have nothing in them that stops HL from drawing all of the room at one time. I would need a two screenshots to show you what the size of rooms are...

I'll go upload them into my profile just sec.

read this, read your own words..
you just described design..

if you have the concept at least this well understood, how could you knowingly design it otherwise?

look bud, i am not trying to tell you what kind of map to make, i am just attempting to forestall any possible hurts.

if your map exceeds 1000, we will not overlook it.. we will tell you how it could have been made otherwise.

its up to you to decide how much criticism you can take.. its NOT up to us to curve our criticism to suit you (you as in any mapper)

Orpheus said:


look bud, i am not trying to tell you what kind of map to make, i am just attempting to forestall any possible hurts.

if your map exceeds 1000, we will not overlook it.. we will tell you how it could have been made otherwise.

its up to you to decide how much criticism you can take.. its NOT up to us to curve our criticism to suit you (you as in any mapper)

Great words, i like the idea that your critisism is proper, i.e. dosen't worry that the mapper may go away and sulk in the corner if u give it a lot of critisism.

Will there be proper reviews on the maps entered?

$loth said:
Will there be proper reviews on the maps entered?

if you are asking me...i dunno, i have not been asked this time.

This is going to sound like a dim question/already answered, but I
can't be bothered to search through 14 pages of posts to find the
answer: are extra resources such as sprites allowed in this comp? I've
only just started looking at this competition, and I'm thinking of
looking at doing a jungle map, but I need a quick way for (flatshaded)
leaves and sprites seem to be the answer (or at least for the way I
want to do it). Allowed or not?

As far as I know, you allowed to put custom sprites, models, textures, etc, whatever you need/want in your map :smile:

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btw (learn new terms every day :biggrin: ), Orph, I can know all I want to about mapping and glitches and erros, and it is good to map inside those boundaries, however, my imagination has the tendacy to get the better of me in mapping situations. I usually obey my imagination, and worry about rules later until problems actually arise.

you want to talk about big areas with?

http://ferret.hl-nightwatch.net/gamedesign.php?map=ps_splinter

that map has some of the largest areas I've seen in halflife. Its done right, wpoly is kept within limits. Areas are open and nice looking. Buildings are enterable. Gameplay is wonderful. Texturing is nice, lighting is nice. THe map is awesome. ANd yet I had limitations and design in mind while creating it. Thus I was able to obtain a wonderful MP level without worrying about it lagging computers and with it reaching well under 900 wpoly in ALL areas.

Ferret said:
you want to talk about big areas with?

http://ferret.hl-nightwatch.net/gamedesign.php?map=ps_splinter

that map has some of the largest areas I've seen in halflife. Its done right, wpoly is kept within limits. Areas are open and nice looking. Buildings are enterable. Gameplay is wonderful. Texturing is nice, lighting is nice. THe map is awesome. ANd yet I had limitations and design in mind while creating it. Thus I was able to obtain a wonderful MP level without worrying about it lagging computers and with it reaching well under 900 wpoly in ALL areas.

smiles

i recognize this baby :smile:

that map has some of the largest areas I've seen in halflife. Its done
right, wpoly is kept within limits. Areas are open and nice looking.
Buildings are enterable. Gameplay is wonderful. Texturing is nice,
lighting is nice. THe map is awesome.

Talk about blowing your own trumpet :razz: I'm just jesting though mate,
its nice to see somebody who is proud of their work, most of us seem to
put our own work down at every opportunity.

ReNo said:
most of us seem to put our own work down at every opportunity.

some of us, are justified in doing so.

others, should be so humble.

others still.... have no clue how aweful their maps truly are.

I agree to an extent orph, but there is a difference between arrogance
and pride, and unfortunately there are quite a lot of people who either
don't know this, or are afraid to tread the thin line between them.

ReNo said:
I agree to an extent orph, but there is a difference between arrogance and pride, and unfortunately there are quite a lot of people who either don't know this, or are afraid to tread the thin line between them.

i detect some confusion on your part duncan..

i was not in any way refering to master ferret..

i think, if you were to dwell on it a bit, you could indeed apply names to all of my words i posted.. starting with mine :/

some of us, are justified in doing so. (me)

others, should be so humble.

others still.... have no clue how aweful their maps truly are.

I didn't think you were referring to Ferret, I just thought you were
sort of generalising how all mappers should be, but I guess I was
wrong. Regardless, I'll put in a few other cases...

Some people are justified in being proud of their work.

Others, should take more pride in it. (you :razz: )

Others still.... have no clue how awful their maps truly are :biggrin:

ReNo said:
Others still.... have no clue how awful their maps truly are :biggrin:

You mean most n00bs? God those were the days :rolleyes:

IMO, pride is over-rated,but.. if i had to define its origins.. i would say it comes from others, not from within.

i fail to see my own works in any proper light.. so i am told.

i do however acknowledge that some peoples works, are over-looked somehow.. usually for no clearly defined reason.

i personally value a n00b who has given 100% much higher than a (insert year number of choice) year vet, who is also giving 100%, simply because its much harder to do it at n00b level.

thats not to say, i look at maps that are " :eek: " and say "nyah, he's been at it 4 years, no biggie" .. true greatness has no time limit.

anyways.. i seem to view mapping, and mappers differently than most.. prolly directly due to my extensive time spent critiquing peoples work..

who knows

It might be wise to check my profile to see this room. The open areas Ferret showed, still aren't quite what I'm making... (r_speeds not shown because I wasn't in developer mode :razz: )

Im at a loss as to what room you are referring to.

Reno I am proud of that map :razz: its like 99% on all limitations and it takes up the whole WC grid! It plays beautifuly on full servers and I think its pretty nice to look at! But it is definately not the best map out there :razz: you sir are charged with that one looking at YOUR maps.

I'm proud of most of my work too but no way could any of them be
classed as the best maps out there! Thanks for the compliment though :smile:

ReNo said:
I'm proud of most of my work too but no way could any of them be classed as the best maps out there! Thanks for the compliment though :smile:

someday, we need to look thru our own membership, and each of us vote on our top 10 favorite maps..

after its done, we talley the averages and post a final list of snarkpits 10 top maps..

i think that would be a cool contest in and of itself.. :smile:

opinions?

It would have to be re tallied every month or so... New maps (and possibly better ones) would be introduced.

KungFuSquirrel would win. He's already the most famous person here and I'm willing to assume a considerable number of registerees here are due to knowing his famous household name.

Ferret said:
KungFuSquirrel would win. He's already the most famous person here and I'm willing to assume a considerable number of registerees here are due to knowing his famous household name.

andrew is most popular, he is not our best IMO. his maps always lacked that certain element that made them best. no offense to andrew of course.

i am betting he would win 1^st place, but there would be 9 other places to fill.

more opinions guys?

I thought we already did that once... I know I put my own two maps in my top ten, arrogant, no? :biggrin:

Yak_Fighter said:
I thought we already did that once... I know I put my own two maps in my top ten, arrogant, no? :biggrin:

did we? , i didn't think so.. sure we alway brag on or preferred authors, but snarkpit has a large collection of maps.. high quality ones from little known authors. (little known as in, few releases, and mostly only here at the pit)

i wouldn't consider it arrogant yak, but i would question you wasting 2 whole votes on them :heee:

anyways.. it is my opinion that, our best maps were conceived through a group effort, by authors who realize you cannot make maps succeed on your own. an author who can apply ideas/comments/concepts from outside are the best.

being most popular, does not mean best.

anywho's.. i think this discussion warrants its own thread.. i may move it soon..

more opinions guys?

There is no "best" in any non-measurable situation such as mapping,
there is only most popular. I'd be for it, it could be done by having a
top ten in your profile that you can edit via the control panel. Would
be nice to be able to show or hide this on your profile by choice, but
whether hidden or not it still contributes to the overall top ten stats.

ReNo said:
There is no "best" in any non-measurable situation such as mapping, there is only most popular. I'd be for it, it could be done by having a top ten in your profile that you can edit via the control panel. Would be nice to be able to show or hide this on your profile by choice, but whether hidden or not it still contributes to the overall top ten stats.

this idea, although good, would require effort on leps part to implement.. his workload seems above average ATM so i doubt it happening anytime soon... assuming he would do it at all.

best = entirely opinion

in order to say what best would be, you would have to examine your own priorities on how to define the term.. a concept no 2 individuals will totally agree upon.

also, in order to have such a contest (if contest is even the correct term) we would have to be mindful of other peoples feelings (IE i love andrews works, but feel he is not snarkpits best mapper) in order for me to say that, everyone would have to understand that i say it honestly and without intending harm.. i am sure that andrew knows this, but some of our newer members who have been here less, might not.

i do not totally measure "best mapper" with "final product" either, although currently my favorite map/maps are done/made by great authors.. i have some favorites made by people you may never have heard of as well.

how about we take this to another thread, this thread has been derailed long enuff.. the next person to reply, please begin a new thread..

Orpheus said:
how about we take this to another thread, this thread has been derailed long enuff.. the next person to reply, please begin a new thread..

And you wonder why people haven't replied in the last few hours.....

I think you should set one up orph :razz:

Are we allowed to release our comp maps before the deadline? The only chance i'm going to get to upload my map will most likely be either this Saturday or next weekend - depending on when I visit my parents The broadband people don't come until Aug 7th so i'm a little stuck until then :sad:

Tut tut, trying to get a head start with the public vote are we :wink: Why not upload/e-mail it to just me, and on the date I can 'release' it for you?

I didn't think of that :smile: I'll send you the link when i've uploaded it.

if you people have enuff trust of me to keep the map to myself, i would like to get a head start on the reviews of these maps.. if you are sure its a finished map, and such, send me the links to them..

i don't want my reviews to look like critiques, so please be sure the map is completed beforehand.

those of you who would rather i not review your maps, please speak up now, cause i would rather not hurt any feelings later, especially my own since reviews and the pages thereof are extremely time consuming..

thanx

orph

I shall send you a link also then :smile: Should be either this weekend or next.

Is anyone else actually working on a comp map still? This thread seems to have gone very quiet regarding progress...

Speak up people :smile:

The deadline is nearing and I've been entirely uninspired. I'll
certainly try and get something in, even if its just as basic remake of
the doomed flatshaded map.

So much for multiple entries eh!

I too had a fair bit of trouble coming up with an idea I could run with and when I did, it was this weekend just gone, so that one won't be finished for the competition :sad:

I've had to use an older unreleased map instead, but I think its turned out pretty well - though my weapon placement leaves a lot to be desired :wink: (I actually attempted it this time!). I'd forgotten how long it takes to do weapon placement...I was going a good 6 hours last night!

edit: thinking about it, I should probably get dm_pulse finished too - so that's me sorted for multiple entries :wink:

Hehe, its the only way to learn I suppose! I may attempt to do
something with px_selfless as well, but I don't know what I could do to
it that would make it adhere to the "themed" part of the contest, as
its really a rather generic map setting.

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i doubt that it would be finished before the deadline, but i'd started one that was intended to be a flat shaded shudders attempt at Escher's 'relativity'.

i didn't like the way that the fs surfaces blended together, making edges of stairs etc disappear, and i've been trying to find some sort of compromise. i've not tried detail textues over the flat shade, but not everyones system can render them, so i'm not sure if thats a good solution. anyways,

Eschers version-



my version (so far)



if i wanted to finish this with what i have in mind, i'd really need to spend a lot of time over the next two weeks working on it. even at that, two weeks would be a push.

Flatshading won't work with a map like this in my opinion, you need definition and flatshading doesn't really allow for that.

yup, the flatshading kills any sense of perspective. the very opposite of the cross hatching in the original.

Quick question - has the compo got any sponsorship yet ?

lolz nope, prizes may or may not be given :razz: most snarkpit comeptitions
are just for self accomplishment more than anything else, go check the
"2004 competition" tab at the top of the page )

Ahhh, what a pity.

I wish we had a prize ....

ho ho ho, thinking you've got this one all locked up already, are we? There's still two weeks to go, and this ain't over yet. :razz:

yeah, dont get so cocky, there's prolly a mapper outside of SP just waiting to unleash a kick bottom map that'll win the compo :smile:

It would've been nice if there were prizes tho', if other sites can get sponsorship then SP could prolly also get some if Lep asked around. Something like a couple of graphics cards as prizes isnt going to be much of a problem, even for a small company. Trade prices for OEM 9800 pro's are under ? 120 in the UK, prolly much cheaper in the US.

If the company gets a banner ad to run on SP for 12 months in return, then thats a pretty cheap way of advertising and targeting a specific audience. To get it in perspective - putting a small entry in the paper version of the Yellow Pages costs close to ?1,000 and most companys do a lot more advertising than that.

Maybe Lep will get of his lazy arse and get prizes sorted for the next compo :biggrin:

EEEKkk,

banner adds on the snarkpit. go wash your mouth out beer. :biggrin:

heh, Lep will prolly ban me for suggesting it :smile:

yeah, dont get so cocky, there's prolly a mapper outside of SP
just waiting to unleash a kick bottom map that'll win the compo :smile:

It
would've been nice if there were prizes tho', if other sites can get
sponsorship then SP could prolly also get some if Lep asked around.
Something like a couple of graphics cards as prizes isnt going to be
much of a problem, even for a small company. Trade prices for OEM 9800
pro's are under ? 120 in the UK, prolly much cheaper in the US.

If
the company gets a banner ad to run on SP for 12 months in return, then
thats a pretty cheap way of advertising and targeting a specific
audience. To get it in perspective - putting a small entry in the paper
version of the Yellow Pages costs close to ?1,000 and most companys do
a lot more advertising than that.

Maybe Lep will get of his lazy arse and get prizes sorted for the next compo :biggrin:

Lep's lazy arse is in Hong Kong til the competition deadline chief ;P

jesus christ. Who said I thought my map was going to win?~? Ask any of my friends, or take another look at how I respond to topics or anything else. I doubt I'm going to win. I wanted prizes over all because I thought it would drive more outside influence into this community. So stop jumping down my throat for thinking I have an ego or some crap like that. Jesus campaign junkie can explain just how much I hate my own work.

Ferret said:
jesus christ. Who said I thought my map was going to win?~? Ask any of my friends, or take another look at how I respond to topics or anything else. I doubt I'm going to win. I wanted prizes over all because I thought it would drive more outside influence into this community. So stop jumping down my throat for thinking I have an ego or some crap like that. Jesus campaign junkie can explain just how much I hate my own work.

holy crap, can't take a joke, can we? I wasn't jumping down your throat, lord knows it's not comfortable in there.