Manhunt banned?

Read about it here

My view:

TBH.....This is so fu**king stupid!!!! There missing the whole point! The kid says he did it because he thought it was right because he saw it in a video game! He's 17, thats old enough to know right from wrong! I knew it when I was 10! second of all, wtf is a kid doing playing a 18 rated game?!!!! They put age restrictions on these games for a reason! Also, there missing the obvious fact that the kid was a psycho! If he watched scream then that would of probably sparked him of! he would of probably gone around in a scream outfit killing people with a flick knife! Now there planning on banning games like doom3 and state of emergancy! I think the b*tch who started this whole thing off [presumably the mother] should be smacked round the face for being so stupid!

/end rant

No need for the rant sloth. it sounds to me like the authorities are siding with you...

It is all rather silly IMO, but manhunt also sounds perfectly loathsome. Obviously I'm not against killing in video games, but the ones (like GTA) that are focused on aimless atrocities rather than mission based shooters (CS, HL, DOOM... etc.) seem quite repulsive.

$loth said:
I think the b*tch who started this whole thing off [presumably the mother] should be smacked round the face for being so stupid!

I think the games are getting to you $loth :wink:

I think that she is getting to me!

It's just that she's putting the risk of me not playing doom3 because she can't see past the fact that the person who killed her son is a psycho. Any normal 17 year old would know that putting a crowbar in the back of someones head is wrong.

This debate has been going on for quite some time and I only expect it to get worse as technology gets better. Personally I think violent video games are merely a symptom, not the cause of such behavior.

Depictions of violence should be outlawed. Games featuring the use of weapons should be banned. Everything on television except for commercials and shoppping channels should be completely censored out. Movies which are any more gory or gruesome than Walt Disney's Bambi should be prosecuted, and even thinking 'mean' thoughts should be a crime.

Every copy of Manhunt should be hunted down and shredded with the knife that was used to kill that boy.

Only then will we all be safe.

Any normal 17 year old would know that putting a crowbar in the back of someones head is wrong.

In game or IRL?

There's no difference.

Well, i mean in real life, nout wrong with putting a crowbar into a zombies head. Thats how I relax, and im pretty sure thats how many of you relax aswell, thats why I play games.

$loth said:
I think the b*tch who started this whole thing off [presumably the mother] should be smacked round the face for being so stupid!

/end rant

$loth, I think your views are a little extreme. The womens just lost her son for christs sake. Like what Tracer said about the objectives in game, this debate is nothing new, and RockStar have never tried to sensor their games, and they've made some pretty violent games. So perhaps we should be sparring a thought for the poor lads family instead of moaning about what the authoities might be doing. :rolleyes:

Numerous cases like this pop up every year where there's a barrage of
media bulls**t. 'PLAYSTATION2 MURDERED MY BABY' is a pretty juicy
headline. Once all the dust settles and everyone stops crying, video
games stay voilent. The BBC wrote a much better article than the
tabloid junk I read in work last night.

As a sidehunt, manhunt is an absolutely terrible game. Maybe the
parents should have noticed there was something wrong with their son
when he seemed to enjoy it.

matt said:
$loth, I think your views are a little extreme. The womens just lost her son for christs sake. Like what Tracer said about the objectives in game, this debate is nothing new, and RockStar have never tried to sensor their games, and they've made some pretty violent games. So perhaps we should be sparring a thought for the poor lads family instead of moaning about what the authoities might be doing. :rolleyes:

Matt, I am not saying lets just forget about the death of her son. I am just saying that she should stop blaming video games like the rest of the corparate busybodies who think that they are a waste of time and promote violence.

$loth said:

matt said:
$loth, I think your views are a little extreme. The womens just lost her son for christs sake. Like what Tracer said about the objectives in game, this debate is nothing new, and RockStar have never tried to sensor their games, and they've made some pretty violent games. So perhaps we should be sparring a thought for the poor lads family instead of moaning about what the authoities might be doing. :rolleyes:

Matt, I am not saying lets just forget about the death of her son. I am just saying that she should stop blaming video games like the rest of the corparate busybodies who think that they are a waste of time and promote violence.

A minute ago you where calling the guy who got killed mother a bitch. Which is out of order. Thats all I'm saying.

Heh, I did my final dissertation on violence in computer games for my degree :smile: I kind of came to the conclusion that there was rarely any middle-ground between opinions. Either people wanted them banned, or available to everyone 'cos we all know games aren't real. Doesn't change the fact that some people are more open to the 'power of suggestion' than others.

I personally think that the age ratings should be better enforced - not particularly because kids will copy violent acts from the game (there's no real proof of this), but because the content can be quite mature in some cases. It more or less works for films/movies, so it really should work for games too.

now where did I leave my crossbow :wink:

The parents can't bear to think that THEY screwed up. If the kid
doesn't know that putting a crowbar to the back of someone's head in
real life, or cant tell the difference between reality and virtual,
then he is either mentally unstable or the parents haven't brought him
up well. In both cases, anything could have set the guy off. The
parents wont accept responsibility for their actions and are looking
for something else to blame.

Has anyone noticed that people are becoming increasingly afraid of
gamers? I've counted 3 people who've steered clear of me in the past
month since they found out I'm a gamer.

Were they attractive, popular, girls by any chance Nic? :razz: But yeah, my points mimic yours entirely, its the parents looking for scapegoats.

:razz:

Two of them were just average gals. The other was some random bloke we met in the pub.

Not really, I think that more ties in to peoples inherent fear and
misunderstanding of technology tbh KingNic. Anything people are
ignorant to they will either flee, or attack. It's pretty much works
the same as racism, homophobia et al. It's just people are so morally
aloof nowadays they are becoming isolationists more and more
(particuarly when we have politicians condoning this behaviour)

I totally agree that the parents should have been doing a better job,
the irony struck me when the mother said "the boys played the game for
hours".. Heh, and she didn't notice that this boy was slightly tapped -
but then, she wouldnt.

Television and video games are the third parent - they're like bad fathers which don't go to the appeal court.

I'm afraid we are in no position to start debates on video game
violence and the pros/cons, when children as young as 3 are bombared
with advertising by the "eternal box", then as they get older
(programming aimed at 10/11 year old girls) tries to turn them into sex
symbols. Just like the popstars waving their crotches in front of the
camera or saying what theyre going to do to a girl when they get her
home, this is all just part of the standardisation, isolation and moral
degradation of a self centred society unwilling to let the blame fall
at its own door.

And yes, I accused other people of being morally aloof, and it looks
like i'm being so here - my point is that people are too often morally
aloof yet misguided at the same time.

matt said:
A minute ago you where calling the guy who got killed mother a bitch. Which is out of order. Thats all I'm saying.

I should of read it first, I thought it was the killers mother who was protesting against vid games bows head in shame /whispers, you were right matt

I just thourght ah good old rockstar back on the news again cos someones trying to ban another one of there games.

I do think that the game is rarther stupid cos its just pointless
killing but when your really pissed off that kind of game can help you
vent off some anger but when people like to imatate it then I think
that they have had to be mentaly disturbed in the first place.

But what you gunna do us loly gamers carnt do much against some greaving and angry mother.

But what gets me is that most of these kids that are playing these
games arnt supposed to have it anyway which I think is bad parenting cos
there is a bright red circle on the disk that clearly says 18 over here
and the kid was what 17? or was he younger I carnt remember now but I
know he wasn't 18 or older.

What are they gonna try and do next? Ban cluedo?

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$loth said:
What are they gonna try and do next? Ban cluedo?

Cluedos been made into a game?

MATT WANT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

matt said:

$loth said:
What are they gonna try and do next? Ban cluedo?

Cluedos been made into a game?

MATT WANT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A board game! And i think a vid game aswell

Cluedo's been a board game for years :smile: Plus in effect you actually solve crime in it :razz:

Are you guys talking about Clue? As in Professor Plum in the library with the candlestick... I've never heard of Cluedo.

Oh not another silly american name change :razz:

I should have known the game was British. No American game would ever decide that having a Ball Room in a mansion is more important than a Bedroom or Bathroom.

"Cluedo"? wtf, m8. never heard of it. :shocked: We have "Clue".

thats the same as cluedo, you get weapons (lead piping, rope etc) and the characters - Reverend Green, Colonel Mustard etc..

i think it started out as a british game (judging by the characters and
the fact its set in a stately home/mansion), and has been bastardised
to "Clue" for the more simple audience, America :razz:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluedo

we have an original waddingtons version knocking around somewhere,
dunno who it belongs/belonged to, I can only presume my mum... Might be
worth a few bob nowadays :smile:

I think we just like naming our games after actual words.

They called it Clue because 2 syllables is too much for the average yankee :razz:

Its like the way they removed the letter U from Favour and humour... crazy ass yanks.

On the topic of yanks, did you know the word yankee orginally comes from the name John Cheese.

er, er... stuck for witty comeback

I'll get me coat!

:smile:

Next thing I know, they will be telling me that RISK was originally named RISK?DO...

They called it Clue because 2 syllables is too much for the average yankee :razz:

Its like the way they removed the letter U from Favour and humour... crazy ass yanks.

On the topic of yanks, did you know the word yankee orginally comes from the name John Cheese.

WE dropped the U because its one less letter to deal with. :razz:

Or it coulda been a symbolic 'breaking the ties to england' act.

your guess is as good as mine

Yeah, throw that filthy tea into the water!

Yeah, throw that filthy tea into the water!

I like tea. I also like humor. :biggrin:

Myrk- said:
They called it Clue because 2 syllables is too much for the average yankee :razz:

Its like the way they removed the letter U from Favour and humour... crazy ass yanks.

On the topic of yanks, did you know the word yankee orginally comes from the name John Cheese.

Maybe you'd like it if this crazy ass yank stuck his hand through the monitor and punched you in the face!!! :upyours:

:razz:

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.

1 more:

To sounthernors, a Yankee is a guy who doesn't eat grits.

To baseball fans, a Yankee is a bastard.

Gwil said:
I'm afraid we are in no position to start debates on video game violence and the pros/cons, when children as young as 3 are bombared with advertising by the "eternal box", then as they get older (programming aimed at 10/11 year old girls) tries to turn them into sex symbols. Just like the popstars waving their crotches in front of the camera or saying what theyre going to do to a girl when they get her home, this is all just part of the standardisation, isolation and moral degradation of a self centred society unwilling to let the blame fall at its own door.

And yes, I accused other people of being morally aloof, and it looks like i'm being so here - my point is that people are too often morally aloof yet misguided at the same time.

Aargh! Girls who have become complete "blonde stereotypes", or, more the point, the media focus which creates them (as few teenagers know how to fight propaganda), are one of my pet hates (the others being pop versions of good music and mindless run&guns). I've had at least one relationship ruined because the girl took on the "dumb blonde" mentality - something which, I have decided, is done deliberately (I explained to her exactly what was happening).

As for your version of moral degradation, in my opinion pretty much anything is fine, so long as its consentual and those involved know EXACTLY what they're getting into. Don't get me wrong, I'm not wanting a Japan-style environment, where kids get flattened if they're still virgins at 14 - physical maturity and CONSENT still need to be present - but I want to be able to do MORE, not less, with my life. What I really hate is people removing civil liberties of any kind - meaning that I side entirely with Sloth on this issue. Sometimes I wish for a return to the seventies, if only for the "who gives a crap?" attitude. Though then my comp would be useless...

Maybe we should simply do as the quote says: Remove the safety labels from everything, and let the problem solve itself.

I've heard things are a lot more like this in Spain and less "modern" countries - if I could speak Spanish, I might consider emigrating...

mmmm grits. Southern food is the best ever.

communism.

I was going to post something about how Manhunt is an absolutely atrocious game to begin with and children shouldn't be playing it, but I don't remember exactly what I was going to say. All I can think of now is "wtf is a cluedo."

manhunt sux

To baseball fans, a Yankee is a bastard.

Amen.

What about to soccer, football and ballet fans? :rolleyes:

Peter Joyce QC prosecuting told the court that the defendant had planned to rob his younger friend to help repay a drugs debt

I think this is more proof that him saying that he was just doing what he saw in the game, is a pack of bullsh*t.