Do you know what today is?

Today is the anniversary of the bombing of Pearl Harbor in 1941. Just thought that you should know. We can't forget about the people who lost their lives.

We can't forget about the people who lost their lives.

It seems I did.

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It seems I did.
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That's exactly why I wrote this thread.

Well, obviously. :razz:

I also forgot, unfortunately. So much for the infamy! :sad:

Geez people. C'mon.

It's one thing to know the historical dates: December-7, June-6 etc. It's Entirely another to notice todays date and make the connection. I always thought it would bee cool to have your birthday on June 6th

However, I bet Americans will find it difficult to forget 9/11, even
decades from now. Yes, Dec 7th was significant, but people all
over the world feel less safe after 9/11, and the (false) sense of
security was never the same after that.

Dec 7th affected the American military pride, but it did not occur on
mainland U.S. The lives lost are primarily military
personels. 9/11 was the first large-scale attack on American
mainland that killed *civilians*--ordinary people who had nothing to do
with the political struggle of Palestine or the Muslim faith.
That makes Sept 11th stands out, and the American psyche is disturbed
forever.

this morning i got so pissed, someone actually said the words "Happy Pearl Harbor Day"

as if it were a good thing or something. there is nothing happy about it at all, it is a time to mourn possibly, or to even ignore it completely, but you do not wish someone a happy day.

the guy was on the FM radio, and sounded about 20ish, so i am assuming he was some asswipe who has not the foggiest notion of patriotism, or even allegiance, he is most likely one of those creepy people who think if they purchase a flag on memorial day, that they have done their civic duty or some s**t.

needless to say, i didn't even know the fool, and i wanted to slap him silly.

/ rant.

yeah, ive always had a problem with people taking days like these so lightly...but im not going to expell all the demons tonight..... :wink:

Dr Brasso... :dodgy:

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Dr Brasso</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>yeah, ive always had a problem with people taking days like these so lightly...but im not going to expell all the demons tonight..... :wink:

Dr Brasso... :dodgy:

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Oh yes you are. Don't think your getting away that easily.

However, I bet Americans will find it difficult to forget 9/11, even
decades from now. Yes, Dec 7th was significant, but people all
over the world feel less safe after 9/11, and the (false) sense of
security was never the same after that.

Dec 7th affected the American military pride, but it did not occur on
mainland U.S. The lives lost are primarily military
personels. 9/11 was the first large-scale attack on American
mainland that killed *civilians*--ordinary people who had nothing to do
with the political struggle of Palestine or the Muslim faith.
That makes Sept 11th stands out, and the American psyche is disturbed
forever.

Its hard for this generation to forget 9-11 because it happened in our
life time and in a sence it hapened closer (In the sence that pearl
Harbor was in Hawaii and 9-11 took place in New York).

I can safely say that I remembered it, it was on my first job aniversery, not to say thats a god thing.

I'd like to forget 9/11 if the media and the Bush admin would shut the f**k up about it.

Orph said about "Happy Pearl harbour day" , how many years till "Happy
9/11"? In other words, how long does it take for a battle or an
atrocity to become a holiday and nothing else? Till those who were
there all die? Or are nearly all dead? It sounds harsh and it is; how
many holidays or occasions where there has been a massive deathtoll do
people celebrate without a thought?. In the UK they still have their
Poppy day for the dead. When those who participated die, there will
only be room for a celebration.

Personally, if, in my time I ever hear "Happy Decommisioning of the
IRA" day I'll go mental. As a few of you guys from IRC know my families
current price for this peace process, if I hear of a manipulation of
THAT day, or even a twinge of happy "I Ran Away Photograph Day" which
if the other side get their way, it will be, I will go mad too.

Remember the damn dead, not the incident, not what happened after it, nor the celebrations the year after that.

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<DIV class=quotetext>this morning i got so pissed, someone actually said the words "Happy Pearl Harbor Day"

as if it were a good thing or something. there is nothing happy about it at all, it is a time to mourn possibly, or to even ignore it completely, but you do not wish someone a happy day.

the guy was on the FM radio, and sounded about 20ish, so i am assuming he was some asswipe who has not the foggiest notion of patriotism, or even allegiance, he is most likely one of those creepy people who think if they purchase a flag on memorial day, that they have done their civic duty or some s**t.

needless to say, i didn't even know the fool, and i wanted to slap him silly.

/ rant.

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You know what.. I like you. I think i have agreed with everything i have read that you have said so far. (I'm from the same area as you too. Southern MO.)

oh yeah, and i am glad that the IRA is decommisioning, too. Sometimes they really messed stuff up.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Nickelplate</DIV>
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You know what.. I like you. I think i have agreed with everything i have read that you have said so far. (I'm from the same area as you too. Southern MO.)

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i would be careful, people who like me, don't fare well :wink:
seriously though, you have not impressed at least one person, cause they already rated you a "1" .. whom have you made friends with lately?

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<DIV class=quotetext>oh yeah, and i am glad that the IRA is decommisioning, too. Sometimes they really messed stuff up. </DIV></DIV>
Well at least this "war on terror" is helping sort N.Ireland out! One of the funniest interviews I've ever heard was to Jack Straw, asking him about terrorism (Ken Bigley, I think?) and he said the British government would never negotiate with terrorists. Then the interviewer pointed out that they're currently negotiating with IRA terrorists who've killed people themselves in the past, and he went into politician-meltdown "NONONO! That's a stupid question! Go away!"...

I havent done something like this in awhile... but the discussion has been terribly one-sided.

Why should we commemorate these anniversaries? People died, yes, but people die every day. How can people "remember" these dead people, if they didnt even know them?

Orph, you said something about patriotism and alleigance. These concepts really dont have that much relevance outside of foxholes as far as I can see. The people who died at Pearl Harbor lived in the same country as you, it doesnt mean you should hold them in higher regard than anyone else.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting wil5on</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext> The people who died at Pearl Harbor lived in the same country as you, it doesnt mean you should hold them in higher regard than anyone else.</DIV></DIV>
Know one is doing that. We can't set aside everyday to remember everyone who has died. The point of remember the anniversary of events such as Pearl Harbor, 9/11, the end of WWII in Europe and the Pacific is to remind people that people are constantly dieing everyday to protect freedom and ideas. Look out how many people forgot that Pearl Harbor was bombed on Dec 7. I'm not trying to say that you have to remember the date of every important even but it is a good thing to remember. People from everycountry have given their lives to protect an idea that they hold close to them and I think that when something as devasting as Pearl Harbor or 9/11 happens it is our duty to remember those that have gone before us.

Why is it our duty?

In simple mathematical terms, Comedy = Tragedy + Time. Happy Pearl Harbor Day isn't funny yet, but I reckon one day it will be. Try wishing someone a Happy Titanic Day or a Happy Assassination of Archduke Ferdinand Day and you're probably right on the cusp. I'd say you have a guaranteed laugh with something around the ballpark of Happy Severing of Jenkin's Ear Day.

Don't
remember events - and I guess, in the USA it is a little more in tune
with the people, but many hundreds and thousands every year forget the
11th of november, throughout the Commonwealth - or VE day, VJ day,
Holocaust day - let alone forgotten raped colonies from Afghanistan to
Iraq to Cambodia to Honduras.

Remembering battles is
futile, remember the glory and the honour, valour of those men who laid
their lives throughout modern history to oppose tyranny. Promote yourV
Veterans Day, march with the band, make a donation, or buy a poppy in
the UK. Anything, visit a memorial and see for yourself mans true
spirit. Pearl Harbour is a TINY tip of the iceberg.

it would be truly sad for anyone to forget those who die in
conflict, usually at the will of others, servants til the end, truly...
as the quote goes

<h1 style="margin: 0pt; font-size: 12px;">"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends"</h1>