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<TD></TD></TR></TABLE>CALM, composed and showing no sign of remorse, a 35-year-old Iraqi woman recounted on Jordanian television last night how she and her husband planned a double suicide bomb attack on a wedding reception in the Radisson SAS Hotel in Amman last Wednesday.

Sajida Mubarak al-Rishawi?s husband succeeded in blowing himself up and killing at least 23 guests, including the bride?s father and father-in-law. But she survived, and was arrested yesterday after al-Qaeda ? apparently unaware that she was still alive ? issued a statement boasting that four bombers, including a husband-and-wife team, had carried out the bombings.

?I came to Jordan with my husband on November 5, 2005, and we were both travelling on fake Iraqi passports,? al-Rishawi said in a dramatic one-minute interview filmed at the Jordanian intelligence service?s headquarters.

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</TD></TR></TABLE>?We came to Jordan to carry out a mission in hotels . . . We rented a flat. My husband had two explosives belts with him, so he took mine out and started teaching me how to use it, how to wear it and how to pull the detonator.?

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Not quite sure how to respond to this...

I generaly stay away from politics these days. Ignorance is bliss.

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Posting And You

Bleh. We (by we I mean them, the US agenda-driven government) were
already 'victorious' so I don't understand why there is still so much
violence in Iraq, I mean, we won and they lost so they should hand over
their country to us. Thats all I have to say.

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Bleh. We (by we I mean them, the US agenda-driven government) were
already 'victorious' so I don't understand why there is still so much
violence in Iraq, I mean, we won and they lost so they should hand over
their country to us. Thats all I have to say.

While I sense sarcasm, I could be wrong. And if you're serious, you and
many Americans need to do a bit of research. Hell, the whole American
concept of there has to be a win/loss, good/evil is skewed and only
good for driving the war machine and nothing more. It doesn't actually
solve anything, at least not with the conflict and others.

He's not speaking for me. Please don't think a lot of American's think that way. I don't, at least, neither do any people I know.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

He's being sarcastic. Even the dumbest of Americans are not that blantantly arrogant.

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Blue text then, blue text! :smile:

O, I can see wanting to kill someone, in order to make a problem cease, but not "kill innocent people you don't even know so you can go to heaven."

If i was this wife, I'd be kinda offended that my husband wants to have 77 virgins instead of me. That's a serious thought, not a joke, BTW. My ego would seriously be hurt. I don't understand why women even follow this crazy religion: They're born into oppression, then at about 8 years old, they get thier clitoris and all the other pleasure-giving parts of her reproductive anatomy scraped off with a bit of sharpened rock. Then, after all that, they are forced to marry some guy they don't even like. Then they are expected to kill themselves in the name of a religion that hates them.

In the bible, Abraham was told that God was going to give him a son and that the son would become a great nation. Abraham got tired of waiting for God, so he and his wife Sarah, took things into thier own hands and decided that Abraham should impregnate Hagar, Sarah's maidservant. Her son was Ishmael. Then a bit later, Sarah also became pregnant and had Isaac, whose descendants are the tribes of Israel.

God also said he would turn Ishmael into a great nation. Ishmael's descendants are the people who we now refer to as "Muslims." Pretty much everyone ranging from Iraq down to Saudi Arabia.

Because of Abraham's sin of adultery with Hagar, People even now are suffering because of these people who are the direct result of his sin. I wanted to write this to explain that this is why bad things happen to good people. Because God gave Abraham free will, and by his free will he chose something that resulted in bad things happening to good people. If God took away the consequences of Abraham's actions, then he may as well have not had free will to begin with. This is the answer to the question I'm SO sick of hearing: "Why does such a loving god let bad things happen to good people?"

Sorry to hijack the thread, but it kinda related and I wanted ppl to stop asking me that gosh darn question.

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Nickelplate said:
If i was this wife, I'd be kinda offended that my husband wants to have 77 virgins instead of me. That's a serious thought, not a joke, BTW. My ego would seriously be hurt. I don't understand why women even follow this crazy religion: They're born into oppression, then at about 8 years old, they get thier clitoris and all the other pleasure-giving parts of her reproductive anatomy scraped off with a bit of sharpened rock. Then, after all that, they are forced to marry some guy they don't even like. Then they are expected to kill themselves in the name of a religion that hates them.

That is not Islam.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

Yeah it is.

It's some of it. Another part I didn't mention is that if a woman falls in love with another man and sleeps with him, she and her lover get killed.

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Sorry, blue text was warranted. I was being cynically sarcastic. That's what the US government wants us to think, IMHO.

Addendum - All your base are belong to us/US.

Edit:

I think there is meaning to the violence, its just very, very
misguided. There are some Iraqi people who don't want the changes the
western world is bringing, and they see our presence as an
imperialistic move. There is also a long history of conflict, almost a
tradition of resistance. I doubt the Islamic religion or the Jihad
ideals some Muslims hold will change or disappear. In my view, there
will always be resistance in the middle east, no matter who is in power.

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That picture is so taken out of context. That's something they used to do a lot. A lot of mothers (specifically) think it works, but it doesn't. They will take small blades (usually) and put little cuts on the forehead to alleviate pressure. Like from a headache. My dad has small scars from that, actually.

Of course, they have medication and stuff, but a lot of it is banned by governments there. (In Libya, the moron running the country, Qaddafi, has banned refrigerators. Idiot.)

Just a little background knowledge.

Also, I wasn't sure, since ... well ... there's a lot of people who think that anyway. :\

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

It's not a medical thing, Crono. It's called "Ashoura day." and they cut themselves and thier children to commemorate the death of Saint Imam Hussein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoura

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=10009_Islamic_Blood_Ritual

http://www.livejournal.com/~bluer0se/106496.html

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1089500/posts

For video of this,

[url=http://www.foundrymusic.com/opieanthony/displaymedia.cfm/id/6743/div/opieanthony/media_search/LATEST/LATEST/all/page/download_MUSLIM_HEAD_CUTTING_RITUAL.html]http://www.foundrymusic.com/opieanthony/displaymedia.cfm/
id/6743/div/opieanthony/media_search/LATEST/LATEST/all/
page/download_MUSLIM_HEAD_CUTTING_RITUAL.html[/url]

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OH, no wonder I never heard of this. The specifics you're talking about is "the other muslims" ritual. However you spell it ... shi' at or whatever.

They do do what I was talking about though.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Yeah, it's "the other guys."

What you're talking about is a really mild kind of "trephination," which has been used since caveman days. only back then they would cut a "pressure release hole" in the skull too. :eek:

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I can't wait for the day when either the gulf oil fields are depleted or we develop an economically competitive form of alternative energy! I'll laugh my head off when all those countries go back to camel farming and salt mines as the major basis of their economies. Isn't it ironic that all of the funding for terrorism comes from us buying their oil?

It might actually be a viable solution to the problem if the US were to actually do what the world keeps accusing it of: grab all of the mid-east oil fields so we don't have to pay them for it.

I'm not suggesting that would be a good idea, but it would economically destroy all of the mid-east countries and thereby cut of the major source of funding for terrorism. If the world didn't have to pay them for all that oil, there would be none rich enough to support these groups.

Like I said, not a viable, or palatable, policy, but I think it would work in a brutal sort of way.

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

Good thought, Tracer.

Kinda reminds me of what my dad was saying, today. He was talking about how if all the farmers just suddenly said "there's a crop-and-livestock shortage... we're gonna have to charge you $3000 per cow, sorry." It'd be the same as the oil gouging that is going on now.

Now if the farmers did that and said "well, i tihnk there would be a lot more cows available if oil prices were to suddenly drop." maybe oil would go down.

Also, tracer, in your scenario: the GOVERNMENT takes over the mideast oil fields, not the OIL COMPANIES. I kinda like that idea. I'm sure you've heard by now that the oil companies have turned out thier HIGHEST PROFIT MARGINS EVER this year of like 9.9trillion dollars or something... That's such bullcrap. It makes me irate..

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I can't wait for the day when either the gulf oil fields are depleted or we develop an economically competitive form of alternative energy!

Sadly (for the enviornment), we aren't going to run out of fossil fuels any time soon. A physicist just gave a talk at my college and he basically said that we will run out of oil in less than 40 years, but then we willl switch to coal and natural gas which won't run out for 200-1000 years. In contrast, the enviornment is going to get f**ked much sooner than that, and so we can't count on economics to bail us out.

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http://maze5.net

Because of Abraham's sin of adultery with Hagar, People even
now are suffering because of these people who are the direct result of
his sin. I wanted to write this to explain that this is why bad things
happen to good people. Because God gave Abraham free will, and by his
free will he chose something that resulted in bad things happening to
good people. If God took away the consequences of Abraham's actions,
then he may as well have not had free will to begin with. This is the
answer to the question I'm SO sick of hearing: "Why does such a loving
god let bad things happen to good people?"

There's two ways I can interpret this

• Original Sin: All men are born bad because of their ancestors sin, and they have to do $TASKS[] to get into His good graces.
• Choice: Men are, by nature, evil. You just need to give them free will to identify this evil.
  </li>

(Anyway, from what little I know, they both boil down to the same
thing. Original Sin was always committed by choice, no matter the
religion)

Am I reading this right? This doesn't make any sense at all to me,
either way. All the major religions seem to have variants on the same
pattern: condemning man to an existence of misery for the two reasons
above. Sounds very depressing to me.

All I know is that everyone is greatly confused and in the dark about everything. Religions (don't argue) were invented to create power and scare people. How some people take these religions so far is beyond me. If you read the bible, you can in fact get away with not believing in god and still go to heaven- it states god forgives all except suicide and something else, so why believe or follow commandments when he will in fact forgive you?!

What I find strangest, is how stupid all the religions are of each other. If your religious then your praying to the same guy muslims do, and all the other religions- they are all the same one pretty much (apart from wierdo cults...)

Anyway enough ranting. Some people just don't know when to stop- terrorists and cults. They have no way of winning- only making everyone else lose with them.

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-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting fraggard</DIV>
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There's two ways I can interpret this

• Original Sin: All men are born bad because of their ancestors sin, and they have to do $TASKS[] to get into His good graces.
• Choice: Men are, by nature, evil. You just need to give them free will to identify this evil.
  </LI>

(Anyway, from what little I know, they both boil down to the same thing. Original Sin was always committed by choice, no matter the religion)

Am I reading this right? This doesn't make any sense at all to me, either way. All the major religions seem to have variants on the same pattern: condemning man to an existence of misery for the two reasons above. Sounds very depressing to me.

</DIV></DIV>

I'll tell ya, Man is inherently selfish. But one man's selfish choice causes suffering for others. Just like God doesn't stop someone from dying when a bad man shoots him in the face, in the same manner, God does't stop the long-term results of sins either. It is pretty depressing, if you think that other ppl's selfishness effects you. Just like the oil company's greed effects you, so does Abraham's and everyone else's. Nothing you can do about it, but try not to effect others so.

Myrk- You gotte bone up on the bible-reading. God forgives everything but one sin which is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" But in order to BE forgiven you have to have accepted Jesus as your saviour, which means BELEIVING in him. and after that, you gotta beleive in God to ask him for forgiveness, otherwise, you're just screwed.

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If you're gonna strap an explosive belt on, you are insane. Insanity explains a lot, I think.

It also has something to do with the religion.

When was the last time you heard of a Buddhist terrorist?

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"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge

Are you people really this stupid? and I am not being saracastic.

MoneyShot said:
Are you people really this stupid? and I am not being saracastic.

What's YOUR deal?

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I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
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It also has something to do with the religion.
When was the last time you heard of a Buddhist terrorist?

Except two things: Buddhism is considered a philosophy because it doesn't matter what your beliefs are to be Buddhist. (As far as I've understood)

"Muslims" who do this aren't "Muslim". This goes against pretty much everything they're suppose to believe in. Most sane people over there hate it more than people here, since they have to deal with it directly and get flack for the actions of said people.

It also differs from country to country. There are some pretty greedy people running around over there.

When people say "the middle east" they're usually talking about Iraq and Saudi Arabia (perhaps Iran or Afghanistan too). They're not talking about Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, or any of the countries that are "helping". Last time I checked they were part of the middle east too.

But that's besides the point. I think it should just be pointed out that religion isn't the problem. Power, is the problem. There's always someone who wants to control other people ... and that's what all this garbage is really about. Even past money ... it would still be about keeping people "under their thumb" so to speak.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

Are you people really this stupid? and I am not being saracastic.

Maybe we are but at least we're doing something about it :biggrin:

<span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">TARGET DESTROYED! http://www.shianews.com/snObjects/images/1454.jpg

there is a picture of an Iraqi child killed by an American missle.

http://www.savewarchildren.org/images/iraqshelter.jpg

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http://www.savewarchildren.org/images/iraqbaby.jpg

http://www.savewarchildren.org/images/iraqhospmom.jpg

<span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">"Mission Accomplished!"-George Walker Bush

<span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">

</span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></span><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-style: italic;"></span></span></span>WAKE UP! the "terror" is manufactured as a pretext for war, the invasion of the third world.

"All we need is the right major crisis and the people will accept the
new world order"-David Rockefeller
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller

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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine
and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and
respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years........It would
have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been
subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is
more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The
supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely
preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -David Rockafeller

http://www.bilderberg.org/rockef.htm

<span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-style: italic;">THINK FOR YOURSELF AND RESEARCH THE FACTS!

</span></span>Historicafor
anybody with an open mind i would recommend watching "The Money
Masters", a documentary on international banking. Then watch "911:The
Great Illusion" and the Alex Jones interview with former German defense
minister Andreas Von Buelow, oh and watch the one about the Carlyle
Group(arms dealers). There are also many other great documentaries at
this website.
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/ You have
to right click the links and hit 'Save Target As'. Oh and you
should also go out and rent "What the Bleep do We Know".

Don't tell me you joined this site just to post that? And for
Christ's sake, would you link to and warn about violent images? I
can handle it, but we have people of all ages who visit this place.

Addicted to Morphine said:
Don't tell me you joined this site just to post that?

I'm thinking he did. Had he been born years earlier, he would be one of the imbeciles who spit on american soldiers during the Vietnam war.

Here's some fun facts for you, Robot Santa:

• War happens
• war does not stop for innocent people, there are always non-military casualties
• "terrorism" is not a fabricated concept. There used to be two VERY large buildings in New York, and now, they're not there. Ask England if terrorism is fake, they had an underground subway system in London that ppl are afraid to ride now.

If you think we're over there bullying everyone around for no reason, you need to wake the f up and watch what they do to captured americans. Instead of sitting at your computer desk posting casualty photos on an internet forum while crying your Left-wing Emo tears, you could do a little research and see that we're not the bullies here.

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I'm sure there's is some bullying on both sides, but if you are going to post pictures of mutilated Iraqis, you ought to post a few of mutilated American soldiers as well... maybe a few 9/11 corpses too...

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

War is hell, dont make it worse by giving it horizontal scrollbars.

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"If you talk at all during this lesson, you have detention. Do you understand?"

• My yr11 Economics teacher

wil5on said:
War is hell, dont make it worse by giving it horizontal scrollbars.

My thoughts exactly!

Tracer: I think we're on the same track, but i want to further clarify your point by stating the obvious. The terrorists PURPOSELY TARGET thier innocent victims. The American soldiers take many precautions NOT to hurt innocents.

WARNING: The following video is very graphic and depicts the (innocent) American hostage, Nick Berg, being decapitated. He is fully awake and fully aware. This video is not for anyone who is a legal minor.

http://video.dimebowl.com/nickberg.mpg

Robot Santa, you just can't compare this sort of barbarism to the accidental killing of an Iraqi boy.

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wil5on said:
War is hell, dont make it worse by giving it horizontal scrollbars.

f**k yeah. That was probably the most irritating part. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it ought to be posted so we don't get carpel-tunnel trying to read it.

Some would suggest that intention has little to do with the results... it may be that US forces have killed more innocent people than the terrorists have. I doubt that, but it is possible. I agree with you that it makes a difference, but I can see the argument that it doesn't matter that you don't want to hurt innocents if it happens anyway.

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

Well, to me, Killing is killing and its ALWAYS wrong. That's just my religious point of view.

But I think your intention has something to do with it in my societal POV. Just like you don't get the electric chair for stealing candy. It's why we have "manslaughter" and "Murder" as two different things.

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I also don't believe in killing, at least not until we have the power to "undo" death.

That doesn't mean I won't fight to save my own life, but in general on an intellectual level I'm against killing.

Nickel, out of curiousity, does your anti-killing stance make you opposed to all wars?

I'm just curious about how far it extends.

wow, i just spent like 2 hours writing a very, very lengthy, well
thought out response to all of this that really would have got u guys
thinking, and i just erased it.....i hope that gives u an idea of how
seriuous i am about all this

in short this is what i said:

we were and are being lied to about 9/11(i had a point for every letter
of the alphabet on this one, and that was just off the top of my
head)there are many smoking guns on this point. ill just refer u too
some documentaries: right click and save as

http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/911GI128.wmv

http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/911RTT-88k.wmv

http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/MOT88k.wmv

terror organizations have been and are funded/created/supported by big
government to carry out actions that suit their agendas(ex: Al Quaeda
was formed from the Mujahadeen and has been under CIA survelence ever
since as the CIA supported funded and trained the Mujahadeen)research it

attacks by governments against themselves have been used for pretexts for wars from rome to nazi germany to us

also note that the Bush and Bin Laden families are long time friends and buisness partners

the media is a very powerful tool and is used to manipulate the public
opinion and mind set. the example i gave was how the number of news
reports about child abductions goes up but the actual number of child
abductions goes down.

Yet still all across the nation parents are afraid to let their kids play in their own yards.

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/39653

http://www.charitywire.com/charity107/04418.html

I do support our troops, so do the american people, but the government doesnt.

did u know that the troops have to buy their own body armor? did u know
they are sent into radiated areas with no protecition? Did u know that
everyday people send them things like sunscreen and lipbalm and socks
and magazines?did u know there are families of dead soldiers who bring
lawsuits against the US government every day, trying to find out the truth about their sons' deaths?

did u know Saddam and iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?

what ever happened to Bin Laden, the guy who was suposedly responsible,
fro organizing the 9/11 attacks from a cave in Afghanistan?

did u know the new leader of Afghanistan is a former Unical employee?

Unical now has a contract to build an oil pipeline in that country
which all of our bases are position along the proposed pipeline route,
the Caspian sea has the worlds second largest oil reserves.Oil needed
to fuel war. war is more profitable than oil, much, much, much more
profitable.

All the "anti-terror" legislation that throws our constitution out the
indow and has ben used to charge people in possetion of drugs with
possetion of weapons of mass destruction. Yes the anti terror laws are
for US citizens. 10000 page Patriot act that was put up before congress
right after 9/11, hmm i wonder if this could have been prepared before
9/11?

every war we have been in in the last century the government has had
either prior knowledge or direct involvment in the attcks that got us
into the war, and in the case of vietnam the attcks didnt even happen.
there are even history channel documentaries about WW2 prior knowledge
and many publications on WW1 prior knowledge.

REVIEW THE 9/11 EVIDENCE AND THINK THINK THINK DAMN YOU THINK!

Nickel:

i have 2 uncles who served in vietnam one of whom died because he
signed for another tour so he and his brother could come home at the
same time. The pain that has caused the people who knew and loved him
is unexplainable. Every vietnam veteran i have ever met, i have shaken
his hand and thanked him for his service.

-war happens, yes that obvious, thank you

-war doesnt stop for innocent people. THATS MY POINT!

• i dint say that terrorism is made up. it is used and/or caried out to

get hidden agendas across. Most major terror attacks have the support
of big government.Terrorism is, very, very real. the common
misconception most people have is who is really behind it.

-torture and brutality occur on all sides in all wars. did u know that
presently the US is torturing meer boys at Guantanamo bay, and even
more still are sent to countries like egypt where torture is legal, the
same kind of torture mind u that Saddam was so demonized for

-Again, we shouldnt be mad at the troops, we should be mad at the people at the top for lying to all of us and USING us.

-HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, i would recommend learning all u can about the history of the world in the past century at least

-THE FACTS are very very interesting, please go out and learn them.
putting your head under the covers doesnt stop the boogie man from
getting to u.

• and yes i am opposed to most wars since most ars ae fought and based on lies, this is a historical fact my friend

-we are all here together and so we need to learn to work together and quit bickering.

-the lives of the people of the countries we have invaded has degraded,
not improved and nobody, not us not them not anyone is safer because of
these conflicts. actually now a whole generation is growing up with
hate twords us

oh and i spend every day of my life doing research, i suggest u do the
same, and as for left wing and right wing, just another distraction.

Tracer:

good point

Morphine:

i appologize i should have linked them, i did not think about it. i am
ashamed to use the photos of these poor children to get a point across.
this is a very touchy subject for me, and these images sparked vety
intense emoptions for me and i was just tying to get across the
seriousness of this subject. again, i appologize.

i did not intend to offend anyone here i am just tying to get people to
think, and most importantly think for themselves. Do research but
do it with an objective mind, not a biased one. Pay attention to
current events. dont just look at our media look at foreign media as
well. listen o as many interviews as u possibly can.

Only together can we make a differnece in this world. Unfortunatley,
all signs point to more terror. the important thing to realize is who
is behind the terror.

think about it: problem, reaction , solution

terror, fear, government control

if u need a place to start, learn about inernational banking and
economics. after u learn about inernational economics everything else
suddenly starts to make a LOT more sense. there are very powerful
people who have there hands in virtually every cookie jar. An
interesting fact is that Paul Wolfowitz, former secretary of defense
and author of the wolfowitz docterine(what the patriot act is based
on)is now since june president of the world bank. the world bank makes
loans to nations with money it prints with nothing to back it, and
charges interest. it basically woks the same way credit cards do.
another interesting fact is that until 2000 VP dick cheney was head of
the Halliburton Oil corporation.

listen folks, it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. All the lies, corruption, deception, usery.

Its getting to a point where its going to affect us all, and unless we
know the truth we will be able to do nothing, and most of us will
actually most likely help bring about our on destruction.

this is about life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

we must preserve our constitution! once we make one execption whats to
stop us from making another, then another until all of the rights our
forefathers died to give us are gone, and we are slaves.

this is not a joke, this is real, if u cant see that now the future will abruptley open your eyes.

"those who would give up liberty to attain saftey deserve neither liberty nor saftey" -Benjamin franklin

"those who would seek both liberty and saftey seek something that never has and never will exist" -Thomas Jefferson

Again im sorry for anyone i have offended but war is not the way to
solve anything, we have to stop the machine of global government before
it controls us all, through awareness. The only way to help ourselves
is to educate ourselves. Its up to u to take the time and do the
research and find out for yourselves. And know that if u do the things
u find will not be comforting, but know that there are many other
people out there that know the same things. And once u do know some
imporatant facts, share them with everyone u can. The mechanism that is
engulfing our world in hate and death can only be stopped with peace,
even if we all fight a huge world war and kill eachother all off it
will just play right into someones hands.

the biggest danger in this world isnt terrorists, it isnt child
abductions, it isnt korean nuclear technology that was given to them by
us. It is our desire for somebody else to do it for us. U have to
realize that u have control over your life, nobody else, and u have to
find the strength within yourself to be yourself and not who everyone
wants you to be.

and remeber when u are doing your research to ask yourself these questions:

Who benefits? Who has the motive? Who is making the money? Who is gaining power? who is losing power?

also remeber that historically power corrupts, and throughout history
government has attempted to enslave the general population. that is why
our country was created to limit the power and scope of government,
especially federal government, to keep the government out of peoples
lives and desision making. this is because the founding fathers
recognized that governments get tyranical, no matter the sytem of
government it is. Our system was designed for the people to keep a
close eye on the government and question eevrything they do. Nowadays
everything they do is shrouded in secrecy, for our saftey.

yes, the new world order is real, yes the words have come out of george
bush s.'s mouth in front of congress, many people talk about it. its
not even a secret anymore. yet when people here those words they still
automatically think "crackpot conspiracy theory"

Most people here I'm sure have already heard what youve said, countless times. I know I have.

Just because a documentary states facts, doesnt mean its stating all the facts. Just because a documentary is independent, doesnt mean its fair to all sides of an issue. In fact, being independent, its more likely to be promoting only one viewpoint.

Please don't watch just one documentary to understand the whole issue. Don't just beleive anything you hear, or see. Facts can be glossed over.

If you have any mapping-related contributions to make, youre welcome to make them. If you put as much effort into mapping as you do into your posts, you'll do well.

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no none of these facts are fun. And since u asked i would use deadly
force in defense of myself my family my friends and family, provided
the assailants(s) had the intent to take life or liberty from me, my
friends, or my family. And only if absolutley that is the only way to
preserve life and liberty. I never use violence to act on emotion or to
bring any kind of quick decisive end to any conflict.

Even IF we were doing what we said we were for the reasons we said we were it still is not the right way to go about it.

"give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime"

have u ever heard the saying, "lead by example"?

If we teach our youth that war is glorious and the government always knows whats best for u, well, think about it.

Do we really want to live in a world where laws are based on morals.
gays can't get married? why even bring that up in the world of law? ill
tell u why, because of greed. money is why. becasue they wont be able
to get certain benefits and apply for certain insurance and stuff. its
sick. if we keep doing things like that pretty soon its going to be
against the law to use "bad" words, and we'l all be under such
surveylence they will probobly prosecute you for it. i mean think about
it. in my city we already have face scanning cameras on traffic lights
to identify terrorists, ya know for our saftey because ya never know
where those evil terrorists might pop up right? maybe even in the back
seat of your car! and if one does show up in your car dont you want the
cameras on the street lights to be able to identify him so u can have
the fastest possible police response?

everything has to do with profit nowadays.

many peoples actions are driven by greed.

Greed is how the world works, and how it always has worked. There will always be war, there will always be hate, and there will always be meaningless violence. It's admirable that you want to do something about it, but nothing can be done to stop human behaviour playing out. Things are not as bad as you think.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

IMO I hate both the Amercans and the Iraqi's. I hate the americans
because they are envading(And skrewing up) a country that is in enough
mess. I hate the Iraqi's for suicide bombing, even though it is "so
called" their relegion (Which I find hard to believe). Im just glad I
live in the Southern Hemisphere, far from war + terrorism.

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I would love to change the world, But they would'nt give me the source code.

Robot (who is my brother) is crazy 'bout them facts, he knows what he's
talking about, and he has seen many many many documentaries about this
topic. He looks up everything he can find about terrorism, government
corruption, the ways that the American government is s**tting on the US
constitution and its people, and a whole bunch of other related stuff.
He does, however, go about trying to get people to see his viewpoint in
ways that they won't be receptive to.

As a side note: Robot, if nothing else, edit your post, link to the
pictures and put a warning. People don't want to sit down and all of a
sudden see children with their heads smashed in without knowing what
they are about to see. And you've not gotten off to a good start here,
most people around here really aren't going to be receptive to the way
you're trying to get your point across. You have to be more tactful and
respectful. I told you to join this site so you could get better at
mapping, not stir up s**t.

Edit

SpoolE, it's not the majority of people that that act like imperialists
or terrorists, it is a small minority of 'extremists'. "I hate both the
Amercans and the Iraqi's" is a very broad statement and hate is a very
powerful word. If that statement is the truth, then you are ignorant.

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SpoolE, it's not the majority of people that that act like imperialists
or terrorists, it is a small minority of 'extremists'. "I hate both the
Amercans and the Iraqi's" is a very broad statement and hate is a very
powerful word. If that statement is the truth, then you are ignorant.

Quoted for truth.

While I agree with most of Robot's sentiments, I was unsure of his
stance from the first post. It seemed all over the place. Basically Joe
Public in the States has the wool pulled far over his eyes and I don't
see that changing soon.

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<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Addicted to Morphine</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Nickel, out of curiousity, does your anti-killing stance make you opposed to all wars?
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That's a tough one. I know killing is always wrong, but I see when wars would be necessary. So, no, I'm not opposed to all wars. I wouldn't be one of those conscientious objectors: I'd fight in a war for my country, To stop an evil like hitler or terrorists, I'd be willing to commit that sin.

ROBOT SANTA~

Perhaps I was a bit hasty in my reply and was rude toward you before. Please forgive me.

I still disagree with you on may points, however. the main thing I want to say right now is take the pictures off your last post so this thread can be regular size and we won't have to sidescroll. its really annoying... thx :smile:

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http://www.dimebowl.com

i feel sad for all of you.

please realize that you do have the power to make a differnece in the
world and the only thing that will make it so you cant is the belief
that you cant make a difference.

even if you dont take it upon yourself to learn anything please when
the time comes, do what you know in your heart is right. My point is
that this is our world and you shouldnt just give up and say, well it
is the way it is and thats always the way its gonna be and i cant do
anything about it. Thats just not true and that is ecactly the kind of
thinking that has gotten us where we are today. Dont expect someone
else to make things better for you. And if you do let someone else do
things for you, just remeber you have to do what they say, or else.

"emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" -Bob Marley

Wil5on:

i only said to go watch an independent film about 9/11 becasue most
people have only heard what the corporate media has told us. It is very
important to look at both sides of any story if u want the truth. Its
sad to say but the medias story falls apart pretty quickly when u start
looking into it.There was no real investigation of 9/11, in fact almost
all the steel from the WTC was sold within weeks after the tragedy, and
the only peices that were saved is because a group of families of the
victims is demanding an investigation and suing the US government. they
were only able to save a few peices, the rest got scrapped. i hope they
can shed light on the truth for us all. The media is an
INCREDIBLY powerful tool. think about it, hitler only had radio and
flyers, and he convinced his whole country it was in their best
interest to invade the rest of europe and to exterminate the jews. he
had them turning in their jewish neighors to the secret police. and
this is just 60 years ago. think of what joseph goebels (hitler's
propoganda master) could have done if he had TV and computers and
modern technology.

Gorbachev:

THANK YOU! people do have a very thick veil pulled over there eyes, but
its up to us to pull it back one person at a time, thats one of the
best reasons there is to get educated. and every person that u help
lift the veil tell them do do the same for someone else. be a leader.

Nickel: forgiven, wow u can edit your post, roger that im linking them now.

SpoolE:

did u know that according to the UN 500,000 CHILDREN have died due to
economic sanctions (thats just lack of the things people need to
survive, like food and medical supplies) because they placed a trade
embargo on the country since 1991. The UN estimates 5,000 deaths of
children under 5 every month due to their own sanctions in Iraq. Cant u
feel the love? Even if it turned out to only be half that, its still
wildy outrageous, and sick i might add. What would we be doing if those
were American children dying?

Robo-

Dude, just because people disagree with you doesnt mean that they warrant you feeling sorry for them. I can tell that you are a very left-wing person. One of the things about you guys that bugs me the MOST is that you look at us Righties as "poor, deluded, blind caveworms who need to be exposed to the wonderful light of changing everything..."

Some things can't be changed. There will always be rich people who control the government, there will always be greedy arseholes like Oilcompany execs. and there will always be ppl getting stepped on who are too nice to do anything about it. (like rioting and starting revolutions)

it's true that you CAN do something about things that go on in the government, It's called voting, but they ALL LIE!!! so you vote in the guy you think is best, and he has done a bait-and-switch on you!

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like i said dude, right wing and left wing is a distration. whoever
comes into office we still would have had a war, the patiot act still
would have passed, its just the face that u want in office. Nowadays
they have installed electronic voting machines, there is no paper
trail. and we all know how easy it is to mess with digital info. I
still vote anyways. Many people choose not to vote because they dont
think it will make a differnece, i say thats all the more reason to
vote so we can say that it didnt turn out like it should have and
expose the corruption.

Listen. im not left or right or in the middle. i believe in the
constitution of the United States of America. i believe that if we help
eachother instead of spend our lives at eachothers throats, things can
get better. actually they have to try really really hard to make things
as bad as they are. the greatest tool for peace we have is knowledge.
Peace is not such a farfetched idea. It comes down to a choice on a
personal level for every human being on the face of this earth, wether
u want to live in peace and love or wether u want to live in fear and
accept being absolutly and totally controlled. Is a life without
freedom worth living? The greatest power God gave us is the power of
choice.

oh and not sorry, i dont feel sorry for any of you. sad is the word i
used. and not because you disagree, because you refuse to belive you
have any control.

It's all well and good to say everything would be so much better if everyone loved each other. Problem is, this is impossible. People are selfish, this is evidenced by the success of capitalism, and makes sense in terms of evolution. There is no point in human history where people were not fighting.

Nations rise and fall. Wars are won and lost. People get controlled. This is human behaviour, it is not realistic to expect to change it.

You seem to see the US government as an evil entity, controlled by evil corporations, which has the sole purpose of manipulating its citizens and sucking them dry. This is not true. The government is made of people. Corporations are run by people. Just like you and me. Try to consider that.

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"If you talk at all during this lesson, you have detention. Do you understand?"

• My yr11 Economics teacher