XBox 360 launch

How many bought, our are going to buy (somehow), an XBox 360 within the first 24 hours of release.

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You know, I've actually got nothing to say

Voted No. I don't think I'm going to buy any consoles anytime
soon. I may when the dust settles and a clear winner is declared,
but until then I'll stick with what I've already got.

Nope - I refuse to give any more money to Microsoft, especially on a
console that I wont use much. I play PC way too much to use a
console.

Ill only buy one when the price goes down (less than 250$) or when Halo 3 is released (which I doubt will happen)

The console I want however is the PS3 with the continuation of the Final Fantasy series (when it comes out)

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I own a LOT of consoles. And yet, this generation of consoles hasn't
interested me. Perhaps when they get in the <$300CDN range I'll buy
one. But paying $500+ for a system that currently has about 6
games...no thanks.

I'm also not a person who sells their systems and games, so I don't do
and don't believe in trading in my stuff. Perhaps if I wasn't a
collector I would sacrifice my collection for a new console, but it
feels like such a waste to me. I love hunting for bargains and used
games, but I hate sifting through the gazillion Maddens and other
assorted frat boy titles that get resold back.

I agree with Gorbachev, but I'm also not as hyped about this generation as well because it doesn't look to me like the huge leap like before between PS1 and PS2. Or maybe I have just gotten too used to Doom 3, Half-Life 2, Fear and other games.

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Reckless disregard for childrens well being, women and nothing but utter contempt for other cultures.

I voted no.

Actually I wasn't aware of the release. But I wan't going to by one at all.

Ain't got no money. And no time to play it. But I'd like Super Street
Fighter II Turbo for my sNES; because I have no game I can play with
more than one player, exept Tetris 2... and that's boring sometimes

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Never try to be perfect - just try it and make the best out of it

Yeah, my Dad wants one, I won't fight his desire.

Yeah, I just wanted to see if there was anybody here that was crazy
enough to try to wait in line for three days to buy a $400
console. I'm not that hyped up abought consoles anymore, but I
always leave an open eye.

By the way, fanboys are furies that there is no Halo 3 for
launch. However, the release of Perfect Dark Zero is expected to
be the next Halo. Will just have to eait and see.

Oh yeah, voted No for those who wanted to know. I'm not crazy
enough to fight the lines. Maybe if I had an amped up grav gun to
take out the people, it'd be a different story.

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I had only just realize that I don't know if it was released in Europe
yet. Sorry guys. But just vote away the long lines to the
abyss that is Microsoft.

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You know, I've actually got nothing to say

Ill only buy one when the price goes down (less than 250$) or when Halo 3 is released (which I doubt will happen)

You doubt Halo 3 is going to be released? You do realise that Halo 2
ended on a cliffhanger and....well, OBVIOUSLY Halo 3 will be released
given it is such a cash cow?! What makes you doubt it will be released?

Myself, I'd love an Xbox 360 but I won't be getting one for quite a
while. First price drop at the earliest most likely. There are a
handful of games I'd love to get my hands on right away -- PGR3 most
notably, but also Ridge Racer 6, Amped 3, Condemned, DOA4, Kameo, and
the nicer version of NFS:MW -- but I don't have the cash to buy it and
as I've no job, I won't do for a fair while!

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I dunno, but we had HUNDREDS of people camped outside of Best Buy and WalMart overnight, just so they could be first in line to get this abominable Box of the X which you speak of.

$400...yikes!!!

Got mine last nite. Its for my kids.. ok and me too.. =)

What games did you pick up with it Money?

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I've never understood people who spend 400$ on a box dedicated for
playing games with long loading times and small levels... Not to
mention the high price tags on those games...

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Dystopia - Empires

I'm also not a person who sells their systems and games, so I don't do
and don't believe in trading in my stuff. Perhaps if I wasn't a
collector I would sacrifice my collection for a new console, but it
feels like such a waste to me. I love hunting for bargains and used
games, but I hate sifting through the gazillion Maddens and other
assorted frat boy titles that get resold back.

Yeah. I remember back when the PSX came out, a lot of RPG fanatics flipped out, because FFVII was going to be on it. So, they sold all their SNES games (Including all those marvelous RPGs) and got a game that severely disappointed (Comparatively speaking).

I got a lot of good RPGs for cheap that way :biggrin:

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I've never understood people who spend 400$ on a box dedicated for
playing games with long loading times and small levels... Not to
mention the high price tags on those games...

The PS2 isn't the only console you know :wink:

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What games did you pick up with it Money?

This is what I got...

Xbox 360 Ultimate Bundle

This bundle includes:

• Xbox 360 Premium System ($399.00)
  <ul>
• Xbox 360 Game Console
• Wireless Controller
• Combination High-Definition Component and Standard A/V Cable
• 20GB Hard Drive
• Ethernet Cable
• Headset
• Bonus Media Remote
• Xbox Live Silver
• Xbox Live Gold 30-Day Trial

[*] Perfect Dark Zero Limited Edition
[*] Call of Duty 2
[*] Kameo: Elements of Power
[*] Project Gotham Racing 3
[*] Extra Wireless Controller
[*] Play & Charge Kit (for extra controller)
[*] Extra Rechargeable Battery Pack
</ul>

voted no,

dont think much of consoles and believe i will stick to my comp unless
i have some extra money lieing around, the most recent system i
have is a n64

I'm also not a person who sells their systems and games, so I don't do
and don't believe in trading in my stuff. Perhaps if I wasn't a
collector I would sacrifice my collection for a new console, but it
feels like such a waste to me. I love hunting for bargains and used
games, but I hate sifting through the gazillion Maddens and other
assorted frat boy titles that get resold back.

Yeah.
I remember back when the PSX came out, a lot of RPG fanatics flipped
out, because FFVII was going to be on it. So, they sold all their SNES
games (Including all those marvelous RPGs) and got a game that severely
disappointed (Comparatively speaking).

I got a lot of good RPGs for cheap that way :biggrin:

Yeah, I got a PSX because of FFVII, but more because of Jet Moto 2. VII
brought me back to the series, I owned the first one since I was 4, but
really didn't play many RPGs until PSX came out and I got one in 96/97.

Ok, I'm not sure if I mean offence, but if you bought it now, you really are stupid. The v1 of Xbox always messes up- don't you remember v1 Xbox 1? It scratched discs, was a bastard to chip, and broke down incredibly quickly.

I've heard that one of the main reviewers for the 360 actually crashed it whilst playing PGR3! Seriously, wait a few months till the next motherboard and bios are released etc, it'll be far more stable and last a lot longer! My Xbox1 is a v1.2 I think, and it's still running good and happy, despite it being a US one plugged through a UK-US converter, and running at a different spin cycle speed on the CD drive (apparantly the US one runs differently due to the 110v US use).

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Anything can crash, you give new hardware and systems to 2+ million people you're going to find new ways really quick.

Personaly, I dont understand why consoles are so popular, especcialy
ones like Xbox that try to immitate PC's. Whats wrong with a good ol',
UPGRADABLE computer?

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I would love to change the world, But they would'nt give me the source code.

Not everybody WANTS to upgrade stuff. It's far easier to pay a one off
charge of ?300 or whatever, get a console more powerful than the vast
majority of PC's available at the time, and know you'll have at least 3
or so years of gaming with no additional upkeep costs. A PC that plays
games similar to an Xbox 360 would be about 3 times the price. A lot of
people like being able to kick back on their couch, and play games
straight off on their big screen TV with some mates - PC's just don't
accomodate for that sort of experience, due to the hassle of installing
games, loading up windows to start with, and so on. I've got over 40
Xbox games and I can play any one I want at any time - on the PC, if I
want to play a game I have to load up windows, install the game, grab
the patches, and THEN launch the game - that's just not as convenient.

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The only problem is consoles are becoming upgradable. What about memory expansions which they did for the older Cartridge systems? And it wasn't until about twenty years ago that consoles became solid. I mean, look at the Atari. They came out with a new one every year because they upped the processor speed and you needed the new one to play the new games. That was $300 a year. (USD of course :razz: ) It's going back to that type of situation, just not that bad.

My computer loads faster than my PS2 most times. Most all computer hardware is also more reliable (talking about the PS2 here)

Also, they're (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo) planning on implementing an online patch downloading system for console games :sad:

My computer accommodates for the experience you're talking about; I'm completely serious. Although, I think I'm outside the scope you're talking about :biggrin:

I know what you're saying, but you're really talking about consoles between 1985 and 1995 ... not now. You can still turn them on and play a game, but it's getting closer and closer to being a computer system and not just a console gaming machine.

Nintendo doesn't count though.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

online patch downloading system for console games

Welcome, to Steam on the XBox.

But seriously, Steam wasn't really that bad of an idea.

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Even the generations you say I'm talking about had upgradabiltity to
some degree Crono - look at the various bits and bobs you could add to
the Amiga (though it was essentially a PC), 32X/Mega-CD for the Mega
Drive, memory expansion pack for the N64, Gameboy Player/Broadband
Adaptor/Modem for the Gamecube, HDD/Broadband adaptor for PS2...

So yeah, there is some upgradability in consoles, but it's not really
comparable to PC's. In the VAST majority of cases, you can pick up any
game for your console and it will work, regardless of how old or new it
is. For all intents and purposes, anybody can do it with no knowledge
necessary other than "I have a Gamecube" or the like. The same cannot
be said for PC's - the simplicity isn't there. Now this isn't a worry
if you are running a top quality gaming PC, but not everybody has the
cash to throw around hundreds of quid every few years on upgrades nor
the technical savvy to know what to buy or how to fit it. Buying a
console with a likely lifecycle of 4 odd years is a safe and simple
investment, even if you factor in the odd different "version" such as
the 360's full and core systems.

I highly doubt you can get from power off to gameplay faster on your PC
than your PS2 (and it's not fair to use different games now!), but I
also have no way of proving otherwise, so hey, if you say so :smile:
Installation, unless you have some uber hard drive and keep everything
you own on it, detracts from the spontaneity that consoles offer too.

The console patching thing is already a reality to some extent due to
the Xbox hard drive and Xbox Live, but the majority of games that come
out are more "completed" than the typical bug-ridden PC game.
Exceptions to the rule exist of course, but almost every game I hear
about on the PC these days has some pretty critical issues that are
addressed by patches in the weeks following release, whereas very few
Xbox games whatsoever feature patches nor really need them. The issue
of upgradability also plays a hand in this - developers only have one
(typically) target system with a console game - the PC versions of
games have to work on any number of different system configurations. I
don't forsee it becoming part of console culture in quite the same way
as it is for the PC, but I agree that it is on the rise, which has its
advantages as well as disadvantages (yay extra content and evolving
games, boo for less "need" for bug-free games at release).

I'm sure your computer can accomodate for that experience - I too have
had my PC rigged up to my big screen TV in front of my couch and been
techically able to plug in a few controllers and play a multiplayer
game - but lets face it, the games that allow for that (multiple people
on one system I mean) are few and far between and the likelihood of
such a setup being feasible for your average joe is pretty slim :razz:

I stand by that my original post fits for today's consoles, hence why I used my xbox as an example.

Funny thing is, I know your post was only made for the sake of arguing
and at heart you agree (you're a console gamer as much as a PC gamer
after all), but I still ended up taking the time to make such a long
retort :biggrin:

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...or I could just wait for an emulator to be released. PC wins again. Obviously, I voted NO.

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Better to be in denial than to be human.

Bill Gates understands binary: his company is number one, and his customers are all zeros.

For me personally, and I'm sure at least a few of the other PC fans here, it is in fact faster to load up a PC game. I turn my computer on first thing in the morning, and its usually running all day. If I want to play a game, I just plop down here and play it. To play a console game, I'd have to find the cd/dvd, put it in the playstation, turn the thing on, set the TV to AV, then sit down and wait for it to read the CD. Which is especially inconvenient when I'm already sitting at my computer.

I do agree that consoles are good for people who dont know, or want to know how computers work.

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• My yr11 Economics teacher

I'd like one, but I'm going to wait until there's a game that really catches my interest.

Kay, but I wasn't really arguing or anything like that. (I was neglecting the Amiga and Genesis with their thousand billion add on campaigns)

I think, the N64 is one of the only cartridge consoles (besides 32X) that REQUIRED a hardware upgrade to play certain games. (It was for video memory, I believe)

Don't assume I'm installing a game every time I wish to use it and Uninstalling it every time I'm done playing. It's a one time deal. I wasn't talking about having my computer off then starting it. But, even if I was, it wouldn't matter, specifically talking about PS2, for example, it's taken over five minutes for a game to "work". My PS2 is more temperamental than any NES. PS2 is just poorly made.

I'm having trouble getting any of the blue-disc games loading now too.

In any case I could have my computer going with whatever game in that amount of time, and that's only if it's off. If it's on, doesn't take much time at all to load up a game.

I'd have PS2 stuff running on my computer, but I don't have a network adaptor. If I had that I could download the BIOS :smile: (I'd grab an Xbox bios from someone too so I could play the 3 or 4 Xbox only titles that are good which just all happen to be made by Sega.)

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

The reason I dont want a Xbox is because of its limitations:

• Very few buttons

• You can only play games

• And many more

I like a PC because I can play games with a mouse, and I dont wanna play games on a TV!

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I would love to change the world, But they would'nt give me the source code.

Don't get me wrong SpoolE, I understand why people prefer PCs, but
since you said you didn't understand why people prefer consoles, I
thought I'd try and explain. Nothing wrong whatsoever with preferring
PCs.

Crono, I don't assume that every time you play a game you
install then uninstall it, but the nature of having to install games
does kind of restrict how many you can have immediate access too. Fair
enough, if you have a huge hard drive and dedicate most of it to games
you can probably get on loads, but typically I only have about 3 games
installed on my PC, which really doesn't lend itself to a great deal of
that spontaneity I was talking about. I'll frequently just chuck some
random old game of mine onto a console on a whim, play it for half an
hour or something, then stop. Doing this with a PC would require
dedicating a whole lot of storage space to games - I've 120gb in total
and as I said, I rarely have more than 3 installed at once. The very
nature of the PC being multi-purpose leads to me using the storage
space for other purposes. I doubt there are that many people who keep
their entire games collection installed at all times.

Did you get one of the early PS2's Crono? I picked up a fairly late on
model - the satin silver one when it was released - and haven't had any
problems with it. Same can't be said for my early model Xbox, which
crashes frequently with about 50% of new games :sad: God damn you
thompson, make better DVD drives next time :razz:

Oh and I just want to take this opportunity to salute Microsoft for
making their 360 controllers work with the PC out of the box. Nice move
:smile:

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Yeah, I have a second US shipment. I had a first shipment, but as I've said before, it broke the day I bought it. The thing that really pissed me off is it was one of the few. My friend, who I went with, took the one I had ... and I took the next one ... his never worked improperly. Although it was stolen a couple years ago.

Overall, my PS2 works alright. But, I have had to open it many times to fix it. Compressed air became my friend. (Blowing air inside tends to fix the blue-disc problem, that or tipping it over while it starts to load then once it's going set it down.)

Yeah, I understand that people don't keep lots of games installed ... I do :smile: I was actually trying to get all my games installed (it would make playing games on a whim easier :wink: ) I ran out of space, but I plan on getting one that's 2.5x bigger, so, Everything might fit.

Yeah, right now I have a good ... 22 Games installed. Counting Steam as one game. (And we all know that's more like 30 games on its own.)

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

I have 160 gig HD. Shame Windows doesn't recognize it all without a partition but even so, with all that space I still couldn't install everything I own. Perhaps with two 160 gig drives but not a single.

Besides, who would want to. On a whim I installed Quake 2 for nostalgia reasons a couple weeks ago. It looked so awful that I barely made it through the first area before I puked out on it. Shame really. I am such a Quake fan.

Anyway, the best thing about the 360? I am no longer obligated to furnish my children with the newest play pretty. If they want one, guess who's pocket it will not be coming out of. :heee:

I did see a game that I might be enticed to buy/play on TV today. Anyone see the advert for "The Warriors"? I remember when that movie came out. It was my favorite then. For curiosity sakes I might buy it and retry my hand at a console game.

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

Underdog, install Service Pack 1. It'll allow for the entire thing to be one partition. If you already have things on the second partition, A) Put on SP1 then B) Get a partition program and merge the partitions (Paragon has one that does the trick)

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

At first I didn't like the weird way Windows handled my hard drive but I have grown accustomed to my partition now. I store valuables on it just in case I bork out my main area and need a total wipe. Its rare but I have been in situations where I wished I had a backup drive. I used to run two real hard drives. Back when big drives were much more expensive. This is the first computer I have owned with only one physical hard drive. I was worried at first, but after about a year with no issues I have gotten complacent. I should backup all my vitals soon. :rolleyes:

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There is no history until something happens, then there is.

If something happens to your partition ... just to let you know ... once you reinstall windows you wont be able to access that second parition without SP1. (I just went through this with a friends computer)

But, there are nice, easy (free), partition recovery programs out there. One that comes to mind is testdisk

If something happens to a HDD and it isn't an electrical or physical problem: it's recoverable. Even if you delete the partition you can do a virtual recovery and get it back ... however, some of your files could be corrupted since they would be partially written over (depending on their position in the allocation/file table).

Reformating is never the answer. Even if you have a fragmented MFT you can do a boottime defrag with a 3rd party software to get it good again.

Anyway, this isn't what this thread is for!

DOWN WITH XBOX! I mean. Yeah. Whatever.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.