Bush pulled a Kerry

When Bush entered office during his first term, he was the Illigals best friend, opening our boarder wide for them. Today he gave a speech wanting to close our boarder, hire more officers, and make harsher penilities for crossers.

What do you all think?

I personally welcome it.. I live in El Paso Tx err Mexico.. well it sure fills like it anyways. You have to speak spanish to even work at a burger joint here. Most Census sites have El Paso at 77% hispanic 74% White, but what they dont take into account is the number of them that dont do the census, so the number is much higher more like 89-95%. El Paso also has 560 thousand people, another 1.6 million are just across the boarder in Mexico, another thing that is not taken into account.

Lets try to keep this as a nice discussion on the topic and not a your country sucks bash war.. thanks.

I've gotten into trouble before and am willing to do so again. I personally have no issues with the Mexicans coming here. They mostly acquire the jobs that the "White Boys" are to good to do anyway. The only people who cry are the White Boys, but since they seem to be only taking mediocre jobs, why?

The way I see it, if a Mexican takes a job, its either through default, because no one else wants it, OR, they are smarter than the dumb f**k who didn't get it and they won it fair and square.

America is/was built on immigration and only stupid people think otherwise.

Imagine 400 years ago. The Native Americans looking at the dirty white trash piling off of the ships and thinking "There goes the f**kin neighborhood"

Leave the Mexicans alone for trying to better themselves.

---

The best things in life, aren't things.

it's really funny how we complain about their immigration so much
most americans feel they are to good to do the jobs that the immigrants take
take janitors and migrant workers for example
most "white americans" would never stoop so low as to take these jobs many would rather go poor
in fact most of our poor people live off of welfare which is disgusting because welfare is a "get you back on your feet" thing than a "here you're poor don't worry we'll support you" thing

at least the immigrants are earning the money they spend

and i agree with everything orph just said

Shows how much you both really know.. Must live in a mostly white area of the country. Now I said Mexicans in my post, but it is much more than just them, its Irish, Chinese, etc.

And they dont pay taxes on the money they make, they also live off welfair, they also take from honest Americans some of them being hispanics as well. Now dont go making this a race thing because its not.

And that they take jobs Americans dont want is total and utter bullpoopy. Now Bush also said he wanted to give temp work visas to these people who want to work picking cotton and etc.. and that way they would also be taxed and contribute to the United States.

Yeah I see the 400 year ago thing, and its happening again.. and we need to stop it where the Indians failed. I am all for immigration, do it the legal way and not by sneaking over the boarder.

<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting MoneyShot</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Shows how much you both really know.. Must live in a mostly white area of the country.

.</DIV></DIV>

Mostly White? Mostly White trash you mean.. Right?

What I live in is a State that promotes welfare. Arkansas biggest event is the first week of the month when the checks are delivered. If you want to cry about where jobs are going, cry about corporations moving elsewhere and taking our jobs with them. If it was so f**king great there, why are these people still sneaking in?

I know exactly what I am talking about MS. And blaming immigration, legal or otherwise is only crying about what you can see. Its the underlying causes that you need look at. Our borders... Well the f**king things are open.. BOTH WAYS!!!

---

The best things in life, aren't things.

MoneyShot said:
Shows how much you both really know..

A-frickin'-men! Everyone thinks it's about "taking jobs" but its not. There are very few people who are against immigration. However, immigration differs significantly from illegal immigration.

Illegal immigrants are:

• not paying taxes on what they earn
• allowing large companies to cheat on thier taxes by not claiming them as employees since, technically, they don't exist.
• By law, required to be supported by public funds if they are within our borders, no matter who they are or what kind of citizen they are.
• skipping the whole gosh darn immigration process!

If you want to become a citizen of a country, you go there and APPLY, you don't just try to sneak in and then present the softhearted liberals with a sob story when you get caught. "Oh no, let Elian Gonzalez stay, because his mom died and he floated in on a tire... wah." send the kid back because he is here ILLEGALLY!

You all would have NO problem whatsoever punishing anyone who breaks any other law, but these guys are allowed to get by because they are trying to make thier lives better? What do you think a black kid is trying to do when he steals your radio? He wants a nice radio to make his life more enjoyable, or he wants the money from it so he can buy clothes or some bling rims for his fly hooptie pimpmobile.

Orph, what happened to seeing the world in black and white? here's the black-and-white of it: They are breaking the law, and breaking the law is bad, therefore they should get thier little selves kicked back to thier country where they can apply for citizenship the LEGAL way and do it like everyone else!

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

MoneyShot, is anything you say backed up by fact? Ever?

I'm not going to get into a petty catfight over semantics. People who are truly against immigration, are against all forms of it. Its just another form of racism IMO.

I do not of course favor illegal entry into the States, but, if we didn't make it so hard to get here using the laws, there wouldn't be any illegal entry now would there???

If you want to cry, which seems obvious, cry about the companies moving to these places and taking our jobs. Don't cry about John Q. Mexican who only wants to feed his bambinos.

You people make me sick, and I am embarrassed to say you are fellow Americans. What would you do if the only work was... Someplace else.

---

The best things in life, aren't things.

Gwil said:
MoneyShot, is anything you say backed up by fact? Ever?

Yes, white men really DID come to America, and "Indians" really DID exist. As for the rest of it... meh?

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

Orpheus spoke about the Native American tribes first :razz:

Gwil said:
Orpheus spoke about the Native American tribes first :razz:

Hey, what can I say. I have tenuous ties to the Native Americans. My Great Grandmother was a child on the trail of tears.

---

The best things in life, aren't things.

It doesn't really matter if you want to close the border. They can just float their doors up to Canada.

Just to note to Money here - I agree with your sentiments entirely. We
have massive social problems stemming from an influx of asylum seekers
(and economic migrants that come with them).

I would stop short on making bold statements about tax or welfare
benefits that they receive because I, we, cannot imagine what it is
like to live in their shoes and financial circumstances. There is a
fine line between objective discussion and unfounded generalisations -
in the heat of a discussion, and domestic issues factored in, one can
easily cross the line into reactionary and generally misguided
sentiments.

I was kinda wanting to say the same thing Gwil but all I could come up with was..

Orpheus said:
What would you do if the only work was... Someplace else.

You said it much better.

---

The best things in life, aren't things.

I know exactly what I am talking about MS. And blaming immigration, legal or otherwise is only crying about what you can see. Its the underlying causes that you need look at. Our borders... Well the f**king things are open.. BOTH WAYS!!!

No your right. They are open both ways. I saw this first hand. We used to have Farah, and Levi's and a bunch of other large plants here, employing many Americans.. then Free trade came along, and they all built huge factories right across the boarder from us. This plants attract workers from deep down in mexico and other coutries hoping at a chance for the 5 dollar a day jobs these plants now provide, if they dont get the job they then try and sneak over to the USA and get a job here in the states. Some do, some dont and they cause crime to rise. I dont blame them, hell if I was hungry and down and out too Id rip off a store or house, or what ever I could to survive.

We get these over paid exectives who come from places like Kansas that come down here and whine and bitch about having to work at the plant with filthy mexicans all day.. and having to pay them 5 bucks a day.. when they are getting a free house here, free car, and a huge paycheck. So yeah Oprh I know what im talking about too.. I am on the front lines of it.

I dont just blame immergration, I blame our leaders both republican and democrat.

GWIL, yes it is.. I live it, that is fact enough for me brother. I used to be on foodstamps and medicade, so I have lived on that side of the line as well. And I was lucky to get the job I have now working as a Police Officer on Fort Bliss. There are no jobs for a English speaking persons in El Paso any longer.. this is one of the unseen backlashes of illigals coming over.

And what happens when so many jobs go overseas and to immigrants that when the economy CRASHES because of it, Ford and GM are firing thousands at a time, where will these american workers go>?

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

Who are you asking Nickelplate?

We will be pulling a Mexican, and moving to these other countries I guess to find work. Heres the thing, if these jobs are all moving out of the United States, why do they come here for work, when they should be going there, where the factories are moving too. I dunno.. its a big mess all of it.

yeah Ford fired 3000 line workers a couple kmonths ago, and then began an ad campaign to make them look good while doing it.. basterds.

I'll be honest I dont have any answers.. besides buying up all of Mexico, so that these people have no place to go, they are already in America, they would get all the benefits as such and then these factories would have to pay these people a decent wage or once again move. I think it would be a WIN WIN for everyone.

asking anyone who has a postulation.

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

i think the mexicans are just trying to get us back from when we snuck
over their border trying to expand south-west to the rio grande

This is not just a Mexican issue. And the border does reach the RioGrand.

<span style="color: white;">You racists have actually forced me to do the unthinkable: agree with anything Orpheus says! This is indeed a sad conversation, mostly overgeneralized nonsense. I hate this seedy sense of entitlement that so many of us grow up with. I don't feel bad at all for El Paso residents that can't speak Spanish; we expect everyone who works in an English-speaking city to speak English. And applying for citizenship is so hard that it's not even an option for most people. So let's not pretend that these people could easily get what they want the legal way, when America is going out of its way to ethnically isolate itself. Americans are simply threatened by foreigners replacing them, and they should be. The government isn't obligated to defend Lazy Jackass Joe Blow just because he can't use all his American advantages to pull his weight.</span>

Noir: I oppose illegal activities that hinder the improvement of the quality of life for law-abiding citizens. But what you're saying is that because I oppose an illegal activity that is being committed by someone who is a different color, I am a racist. I think that is complete and utter CACK.

You claim that what everyone else is saying is "overgeneralized nonsense," but you're not refuting anything with any factual evidence.

Now, it's completely true that Americans have a horrible sense of entitlement. Especially minorities. since thier KIND of people were allegedly "oppressed" in the past, they think they are entitled to "affirmative action" and "reparations." But, regardless of race or color, americans think that they should have everything just thier way.

How favoritist it is to assume that these lawbreakers deserve to replace the american people beause the americans have a false sense of entitlement, and the immigrants are poorer! That is worse than the "racism" you alleged because American citizens want these illegals to follow the laws that everyone else and thier ancestors in years past had to abide by! I have about 500 ukrainian, russian, moldovan and romanian friends who are ALL either greencard-holders or naturalized, it was NOT difficult for them to come here, they applied, and they were let in. How, then, is it more difficult for people from mexico or china than for people of ANY other nation?

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

Adapt or be destroyed. That's the way life works. Don't cry about manufacturing going overseas or immigrants taking your menial jobs. Get an education, better yourself, join a profession that is on the up and up instead of moaning about the woes of the old ones that are going down. The economy is not a static thing. Just because it was primarily based on manufacturing in the 50's and 60's doesn't mean it always will be, or should be.

2-cents.

---

Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

I don't think the problem is the Mexicans taking our crappy jobs that we wouldn't want anyway, it's just that they do it illegally. Them getting benefits for being here is utterly ridiculous as well, you hear the liberal sob stories about how we shouldn't be in Iraq 'cause we can't take care of our own citizens, but it's OK to take care of illegals who shouldn't be here in the first place?

Let's give everyone everything for free and take it from people who already have it because they don't FULLY appreciate it! This is OK, according to my standards... but don't take MY stuff, you bastards! I worked hard for this microwave...

---

One day you'll know what you're talking about, I can hardly imagine

Maps! - Audio blog!

<span style="color: white;">For one, I'm not trying to back my opinions with statistics because this is the SnarkPit, and I'm not here to teach you how to be a moral thinker. What the f**k does affirmative action have anything to do with this? Our country is NOT suffering because of immigration, and never has. It affects no one. And if you think that immigrants or the "minority conspiracy" or whatever want to replace us, you're as ignorant as you sound. If you knew any immigrants, you'd know that they want to share in the dream we take for granted, and to become part of our culture. A highly skilled European immigrant goes through a long and painful process as it is; a Mexican immigrant has way more difficulty. I'm proud to be a citizen of this country, but the s**t that our population buys into is f**king unbelievable. </span>

/me contemplates the actual ramifications of a 700 mile long 30 foot high wall....

i was just watching a report on the news about the amount of traffic increase since the amnesty thing was first set forth as a posibility...near tenfold increase....

im torn.....personally, i like the ideal of everyone in the world getting a fair shake at a fair chance to make a good life....its always been, "if ya dont like the weather, move...." , but on the other hand, i dont like the idea of crossing being done illegally.....any reject from anywhere could be the next ted bundy...security issues?, its a joke....like sand thru a seive...

as long as there are companies that will use illegal or undocumented workers, there will be a market to pick from....even though we suck at alot of things, the ole usa is still a pretty good place to be.....ive lived in a s**tload of places, and seen and been in alot of conditions, and....i keep coming back. i understand why so many foreign folk try so hard to get here....thats why any solution, of which ive heard none that are viable so far in this thread, is going to be painful as hell to some, and excrutiating to others, and in my estimation, downright devastating to many peoples on many levels....



Doc B...

No, what's unbelievable is the fact that you wrote like 10 lines and still said absolutely nothing. Not providing anything but your obviously indoctrinated opinion on the basis that "this is Snarkpit" is like saying you will not pack underwear, because you will be visiting new york. It makes no sense, really. there is no reason NOT to give some facts is because you don't really have any. All I'm saying about that is get some facts because even the lowly snarkpit likes to have accurate information.

First, I want you to take a good look at Ukraine, Romania and Moldova. Then I want you realize that mexico has a GDP per capita income of $10,000USD whereas Moldova has a GDP-PC of $2,100USD, Ukraine has $6,554USD and Romania has $10,000. OOO and russia FTW with $11,000!!! As you can see, these people are on equal footing in the finance department. If these european workers were so skilled, you'd think they'd be making a wee bit more money, yeah?

I never really said that immigrants were going to replace us... YOU said that.

<DIV class=quote style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 8px; WIDTH: 100%">
<DIV class=quotetitle>? posted by Noir</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext><SPAN style="COLOR: white">Americans are simply threatened by foreigners replacing them, and they should be.</SPAN>
</DIV></DIV>
If you were proud to be an american , you wouldn't let people CHEAPEN your americanism by wanting them to sneak in and cheat the system.

BTW, what crap is our population buyig into, well I know there is a lot of stuff, but, which stuff are you referring to?

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

Your Right this is the SnarkPit, one of the things I like about this community is we have many intelligent people here, who can discuss situations like this one. Lets face it, there is no right or wrong answer here, but were talking about it, and from that talk, I hope a better understanding of the problem can be made.

We have not touched on the people who are affected. We busted a Humen Traffic ring here in El Paso not to long ago.. only after some 200 men women and children were found in a trailer yard dead in the back of a semi tractor trailer in Oregon... We have also found people that paid 500-1000 or more to get transportation into this country. Some of these people are sold to companies as slaves.. yes slaves. There was a meat processing plant in Omaha, that was holding people against their will by saying they owed the company a dept because of either Housing the workers, or allowing them credit at the company store etc.. Some of these workers were found dead or were threatend that their bodies would be processed or that of a family member.

We are in the midst of a trial now of two Boarder Patrol officers who were using Illigals as target practice. Both Officers are hispanic.

Lets not forget I am an Police Officer on a military base. And have to deal with illigals sneaking on post to stay in vacant houses and what not. For all we know they could be a terrorist wanting to plant a bomb on post/base. I have to deal with the problem daily.

Its easy to sit back and point fingers, call others raciest because we hold a different point of view, than to explain yours Noir. I have heard some great evidance on the other side, but I still hold true to the idea that we have a legal way into this country and it should be held too. I am for the work visa program, I think its a great way to solve the problem of allowing these migrant workers a chance at a better life for them and their families, and it allows them to contribute to our tax base. Most of these Workers dont want to live here, they want to live in Mexico, but earn the money they need to support their family.

I also think the USA should adopt a National Language.. Yes English. All people who come to this country the legal way, learn to speak English, Learn our history, etc. Hell most of them know our hostory better than natural born citizens. But the ones that cross dont get that benefit, I mention all this because Noir said he doesn't feel for the people in El Paso who cant speak Spanish, let us not forget El Paso is still in the United States, reguardless of what nationality makes up its majority.

Again lets not forget that there is also a push to put some 20K Irish people out of this country as well, all here illigal, down from Canada. You cant get more white than Irish.. so lets try and not disolve the issue based on just Mexicans.

Should we look the other way because they are Irish? Hell Im Irish/Scottish. These are my people.. most of them work as construction workers building America, should that maje a differance? I used to be in construction, lost my job to a Spanish speaking person who was paid under the table for much less than I.. a job I loved by the way.. My point is two fold..

They are taking jobs that Americans do want, not just picking fruit/cotton etc. Factory workers, resturant workers, etc.. jobs Americans do want. The other is its not just based on Mexicans, but all races who come here illigally.

Why does the PIT keep submittng my post twice.. sorry for the dbl. post again.

some of you know that i worked in a homeless unit for many years. it was run by the city council, which, as local gov, had legal obligations to house anyone who presented as homeless, including illegals. many of the people that i've dealt with would have been executed by their own govs, for no more than writing down some of the ideas that have been put forward in this thread. i don't believe mexico is quite as bad as that, but remember, illegals aren't always running TO somewhere, often they're running AWAY from somewhere.

the grass may not be greener, but at least there are no landmines to worry about......

---

i eat paint

could not have stated it better myself fishman....well done sir.... /// bows in reverence... :smile:

Doc B... :dodgy:

I forgot all about the cargo containers full of dead illegals they find. That's so sad. It's definitely not impoving thier way of life. It seems that if they would do it the legal way, they would need no association with the cartel/snakeheads/whatever-irish-ppl-have.

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

Nickelplate said:
It seems that if they would do it the legal way, they would need no association with the cartel/snakeheads/whatever-irish-ppl-have.

how far removed from reality are you?

---

i eat paint

This topic popped up in my religion class the other day, and since then
I've been figuring that this "Kerry" that he has pulled, is probably a
good idea:

I brought this topic up with my family, and the idea that I'd have to
agree with, would be that illeagals use our resources, schools, etc,
and don't pay taxes for it. Instead, the average person pays for
stuff that they're doing illeagally, with taxes. So trying to
keep illeagal aliens out of the country is a good idea, I s'pose.

I am more inclinde to figure that this whole issue could have really been avoided, if the border patrol was just bigger in numbers and was more effective.

That being said, the one side of this proposal that I don't like is
that illeagal aliens/immigrants/whatever are being charged as felony
criminals for it; considering that my mother deals in law, a felony
charge and conviction for "stowing away" into another country seems
rather harsh

I feel that the best thing to do, would be what I think
(I say "think" because I'm not actually up to snuff with current news,
events, regulations, etc) we've been doing: deport them

---

Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

fishy said:
how far removed from reality are you?

Just enough to view it objectively...

What are you on about anyway? If you apply for visas and all that, you won't NEED to go to a human trafficing ring, now WILL you?

Plus: As soon as everyone who is over there comes over here, "over here" becomes "over there." Then we're all poor in the US and lookin for another country...

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

This is not just a Mexican issue. And the border does reach the RioGrand.

i'm reffering to a long time ago, before we owned that land, in fact, before the alamo

anyway it was a joke, maybe you would have noticed if i put in the sarcasm color but i figured it wasn't needed

edit: oh and G-Ball, your comment sparked a solution for all of our problems :smile:

we could expand the border patrol: creating more jobs for americans

this way it wouldn't be as big of
a complaint because we would have more jobs because whether or not
that's the actual problem it is what people are bitching about

Yeah, that's part of Bush's solution as I've heard. Try listening to him, Fatstrings, he says some funny stuff.

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

Nickelplate said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting fishy</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>how far removed from reality are you?

Just enough to view it objectively...

What are you on about anyway? If you apply for visas and all that, you won't NEED to go to a human trafficing ring, now WILL you?

Plus: As soon as everyone who is over there comes over here, "over here" becomes "over there." Then we're all poor in the US and lookin for another country...</div></div>

and this is from someone who likes to see himself as intelligent.
this visa, does it come with bus tickets and a packed lunch, too?

---

i eat paint

The fact I keep getting drilled into me, as a person interested in getting a job in the US given the career opportunities, is "don't even bother - you won't get a visa, at least not without a fight". I think you are imagining it to be some "sure thing" that if you apply for a visa in the US, you get one. By the accounts I've heard, that is very rarely the case.

---

[img]http://card.mygamercard.net/sig/Default/reno84.png[/img]
Designer @ Haiku Interactive | ReNo-vation.net

well, im here to tell ya duncan, if you use a little foresight, get your records together, keep your information up to date, and have it in a presentable, easily checked out manner, just basicly help them expidite the system, yer chances of getting into the united states from the UK are pretty damn good....as long as you are/ arent a mass murderer or something (insert tongue and cheek smiley here) youll get in.....we invite trouble...////runs :razz:

Doc B... :dodgy:

Fishy, how much experience have you had with US immigration? Lots I presume, because you sure seem to know more than everyone else about it.

Where to the illegals get thier bus ticket and packed lunch? Personally, I think that anyone smart enough to be let into the US would use thier money applying for a visa and when they get it, walk or hitch to the border. I think a walk from even the southernmost part of Mexico would be better than dying in a cargo container or forced to be a slave for the rest of your life. Those last two options are REALLY gonna better people's lives, too. You think they'd learn.

Reno, If you are getting a work visa, the most important thing to to is get a sponsor and have them prove that no american worker who is more qualified has applied for the job. That is what one of my friends is doing, he is having his company officially "sponsor" him so that he gets a work visa. after that you can be naturalized, too. as long as you're sponsored.

---

I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com

My sister used to work for an Immigration Lawyer in OK city.. I can ask her for some advice for you Reno, if you like.

Here are my two cents:

Putting aside all debates, solely by definition, illegal immigrants are not
citizens of the United States of America. Therefore, they are not
entitled to the basic rights and liberties assigned to citizens of the United
States. They do, on the other hand, have any rights Mexico, Canada,
China, Ukraine, or whatever other country have agreed to under any Swedish
Convention, the right to life, etc., but this does not include the right to use
federal programs of any specific government, save for one(or two, or three)
they are a legal citizens of.

On the subject of illegal immigrants stealing jobs:

I have a house, with a wall, and a fairly nice apple tree in my back
yard. I have children, and these children subsist mainly on apples from
the tree. Due to windfalls from my tree, my children and I maintain a
steady diet. Next door to me, lives a poor family, they have no apple
tree. One day, several children from next door's family climb over my
fence and steal some of the windfalls, as a result, my children and I go hungry
for that day.

An alternate situation would be the poor children taking apples from the tree,
that have yet to become windfalls, and, as a result, my children and I go
hungry the next day.

Are the poor children justified in stealing my apples, they are indeed
misfortunate enough to need to steal apples in order to eat that day, but so is
my family, the only difference is that I have the means that they don't.

How about instead of letting the children steal from my tree, or letting them go hungry,
I give them a bag of apple seeds?

On the subject of jobs being shipped overseas:

When the United States elected Franklin Delano Roosevelt as their somthingth
president, the country was in turmoil, the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl were
in full-swing, and the citizens weren't exactly helping the situation.
One situation was the plight of the farmers of the era, they were producing as
much food, cotton, and other crops as possible, in order to maximize profits,
as a result, supply skyrocketed, demand plummeted, and prices fell
drastically. The best way to fix the situation was to stop growing so
much, to reduce supply, thereby increasing demand and price. The problem
with this is that when farmer A and farmer B only plant on half of their land,
farmer C will plant on all of his land, in order to grow more crops and make
more money. But, foreseeing this, farmer A and farmer B plant on the
remaining half of their land, and therefore, no one gets anywhere, and everyone
suffers. It took federal legislation from FDR that paid farmers not to
grow crops (the AAA) to actually fix the problem.

The point is, businesses try to maximize profits, in order to do that, they
screw over other people, but if every business maximizes their profits by screwing
everyone else over, everyone suffers, and the businesses and their competition
are still at equal odds with each other.

So if GM moves to Puerto Rico to make cars for ten bucks a-piece, then Ford
does the same thing, the companies are competing from the same ground again, so
they don't increase profits enough to be worth the switch, and the Americans
who lost their jobs are the ones who struggle for it.

As for illegal immigrants who have, or are able to prove their worthiness of
being a United States citizen, there is such a thing as a Grandfather Clause,
which allows illegal immigrants who have been residents on the United States
for a certain period of time, to take a test to determine their aptitude of the
history of the United States.

/2 cents

Now for a quote from another person, not me:

"It is not the Government's job to be "

---

Also change the texture of the dock. Docks are rarely tile. -Facepunch
As I Lay Dying

very interesting analogies there mr stadric.....makes ya think in a new venue....i think thats just what this thread needed....ill get back to ya on my retort... :wink:

Doc B... :dodgy:

As Maddoxx would say,

"I rule"

Nice, a fresh look. Thanks for sharing.. now for other news..

We shipped some 11,000 mexicans back to Mexico last night. And today there will be more. I understand some Bill was passed yesturday that said every illigal has to be sent home by a said date. So they local PD, and Boarder patrols are rounding up all of them and shipping them home. I know about the shippment, because I was one of a handful of Police officer on a military base that watched as they were loaded on big planes in hand cuffs to be sent back home. 5 planes full.

yesturday Students from the local schools protested by walking out of class and marching down El Paso Streets waving Mexico flags... some were beaten to near death by men waving American Flags..

I see a war starting.. its getting ugly here..

I live in Los Angeles County, California, I know about the rights, and they're all BS.
The only reason 75% of the kids who are protesting are actually protesting, is because they wanted to get out of class. As for the other 25%, they are either illegal immigrants themselves, or the children of illegal immigrants who know what they're debating, plus some legals who know what they're debating.

The thing is, protests aren't spontaneous any more, these protests are being led by middle-aged men and women, who have been bussed into the area, and paid to start protests and violence. I know, I live here, and it's kinda scary.

i used to live down in chula vista back when i was detached to the uss sailfish out of point loma....the problem wa so great even back then that it defied the imagination....vanloads and truckloads and kids stashed in trunks, boxes etc.....i was even approached by a s**tbird that lived in the neighborhood to haul illegals across the border, using my military id....500 bucks a load for the driver, which would have been me....folks were paying upwards of 1500-3000 bucks to BE transported....amazing money maker.....i never took part, but i'd be lying if i said i didnt even think about it.....sad really....

my wife used to work at the garden shop at sears in chula vista; the poor girl got mugged and robbed twice by illegals in less than 6 months...held at gunpoint.

the point is, desperate times lead to desperate measures, and i understnd why folks would like to come here....hell, tijuana is like walking into a third world country, let alone the hell of living in it....

anyway, i dont have a fix, i wish i did....but somethings gotta give....

Doc B... :dodgy:

Noir said:
<SPAN style="COLOR: white">You racists have actually forced me to do the unthinkable: agree with anything Orpheus says! </SPAN>

Why do I truly get the impression that you gagged typing that?

sighs

I am not always on the wrong side of a topic. :sad:

You guys, make me worry.

---

The best things in life, aren't things.

*posted by orph

You guys, make me worry.

welcome to my world .....what kept ya??...

Doc B... :dodgy: