A German man who killed and ate an apparently willing victim has been sentenced to life in prison after he was found guilty of murder.

Armin Meiwes, 44, was sentenced to eight-and-a-half years in prison in 2004 after being found guilty of the manslaughter of Bernd Juergen Brandes.

But a judge ordered a retrial after ruling the sentence was too lenient.

During the retrial, prosecutors said Meiwes, of Rotenburg, had a "fetish for human flesh" and could re-offend.

This has been one of the most extraordinary trials in German criminal history, says the BBC's Tristana Moore in Berlin.

At the retrial, the prosecution made a graphic case that Meiwes was guilty of murder and argued he should never be released from prison.

A psychologist said Meiwes, who had admitted he still had fantasies about devouring the flesh of attractive young people, could reoffend.

A video which Meiwes filmed during the acts of cannibalism was central to the prosecution's case.

It said the video proved that Meiwes killed his victim for his own sexual pleasure.

Meiwes's lawyer admitted his client had a fetish for human flesh, but claimed he was no danger to society.

Mr Brandes, a 43-year-old computer engineer, apparently agreed to the idea of being eaten after making contact with his killer on an internet chatroom. This led the court to convict Meiwes of the less serious charge of manslaughter at his trial in 2004.

The pair met at Meiwes's home in Rotenburg in March 2001, where they had sex before Meiwes cut off Brandes's penis, which the men then cooked and attempted to eat.

Meiwes later stabbed and killed Brandes, before cutting him to pieces and freezing parts of his body, some of which he later ate.

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What the hell...

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That's sick. I think there was a recent case in the US where a young man (20's IIRC) killed and ate parts of his neighbor, a 12-year-old girl. People like that need to be killed IMHO, f--k jail, just put an end to their burden on society.

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Ew. I don't really know what else to say to that, except I would have been fine without reading that news story.

This is a very special case. It was in the news everywhere. There's actually a movie about it that was banned because Meiwes sued the producers. There's also a Rammstein song inspired by this case called "Mein Teil" ("My part" - guess which part of the body he ate first...)

The weird thing is, his victim actually wanted to be eaten by him. He was one of 250 or so people who wrote him over the internet and there's a video that shows he actually enjoeyd it.

Phew... One of the most disturbing things that happened in the last few years.

Well, if they both wanted it...

Meiwes's lawyer admitted his client had a fetish for human flesh, <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">but claimed he was no danger to society</span>.

<span style="color: lightblue;">Of course not.

I fail to understand how someone can say such stupid s**t and expect to be believed by a court of law.

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Das ist wahr auch wenn mann pimmel isst. :evilgrin:

my german is rusty but ew

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Every time something happens that gives me additional cause to hate humanity I add another room to my Half-Life level.

HAHA! I bet there's more than just an "Armin" that cannibal! (get it? "arm in")

I love german, BTW.

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I love german, BTW.

Better than that french jibberish ain't it? :heee:

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My heart is full once more. Stupid thread to make a reemergence in though.

Welcome home.

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? quote:Meiwes's lawyer admitted his client had a fetish for human flesh, but claimed he was no danger to society.

Of course not.

I fail to understand how someone can say such stupid s**t and expect to be believed by a court of law.

Well; surely this fetish is inconvenient but it's not necessarily a danger to society. Only if uncontrolled by the fetish-owner.
He just needs to pull himself together for craps sake!
If he cant even manage that... then I gladly meet my boot with his face.

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Perhaps, but even if he's trying to control himself that doesn't
mean that he isn't dangerous. If anything, he's more dangerous than
people with "normal" fetishes. And what if he really can't control
himself and slices some poor prostitute in half? It would be partly the
fault of those who let him go IMHO.

Oh, and given that he's already cut someone, I suppose it's pretty safe
to say that his fetish isn't exactly under control.

At that time no, his fetish wasn't under control. I totally agree with you. But since he's in custody and being cared about by a psychologist this psychologist determines wether he remains dangerous or not. I assume Armin is being treated and counselled. And such a therapist is very keen on keeping a white vest. So I can't imagine that he even would suggest to let him meet society again as long as Armin could be any danger.

And since this was stated in the report so it may be. But he can change.

And since I start every second sentence with "and since" I need to reconsider my typing-style....

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Crapceeper said:
And since I start every second sentence with "and since" I need to reconsider my typing-style....

We had our best analysts study the subject intensively and it was determined after many bribes and threats that beginning a sentence with "And" is perfectly acceptable.

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The psychologist can't truly determine whether or not the guy would ever act on his fetish again. Even if he says with complete and utter confidence that Armin won't go cut someone into pieces ever again, the only person who knows for sure is Armin himself, and only once the opportunity will never rise again (ie when he's dead). If he derived pleasure from cutting someone apart and eating them, and admittedly fantasizes about it, chances are he'll act upon it again if given a good opportunity.

Think of it like this: Say you have a young daughter. Would you allow a convicted pedophile (who admittedly still fantasizes about young girls) to be around her just because a psychologist has stated that he "has the fetish, but isn't a danger"? I know I wouldn't.

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The bizarre thing about this case is that his "victim" without a doubt wanted this to happen. He'd probably have done it alone if he didn't find Meiwes. There is no doubt about it at all. At no point he "lost control" over himself. This was all planned and mutally agreed. It's like a weird form of euthanasia.

He got life.

Baron,

Sometimes we don't know ourselfes what we are capeable of doing. Very ironic. I know what I want to do, and I know what I don't want to do. But I do have fears of becoming someone I don't want to be.
Don't you?

Think of it like this: Say you have a young daughter. Would you allow a convicted pedophile (who admittedly still fantasizes about young girls) to be around her just because a psychologist has stated that he "has the fetish, but isn't a danger"? I know I wouldn't.

I know I will never have a daugter...
But say I knew this dude hangin around with her very well and his side of the story I would consider; as long I see no potential* danger. But as soon there is anything suspect I would stop the contact between them. Even if he's a nice guy.

I would do the same with my son as well (even if I will never have one, too)

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*:Okay; there is a potential danger in crossing the street - but would I prohibit even that?

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You could argue the semantics of the term "potential danger", but I personally believe there is a great deal of difference between the potential danger of crossing the street and the potential danger of letting a sick, depraved individual who killed and ate someone and admittedly fantasizes about eating human flesh back into society. You can't compare them because they are completely different things.

But say I knew this dude hangin around with her very well and his side of the story I would consider; as long I see no potential* danger. But as soon there is anything suspect I would stop the contact between them. Even if he's a nice guy.

Even if his side of the story was that he raped a young girl, fantasizes about raping young girls, but promises not to? To me that statement in itself would be suspect enough to stop contact between them.

The act of fantasizing predisposes one to act upon those fantasies. People in drug addiction recovery programs struggle with fantasies, I've known several (hell I myself have been close to addiction), I can say from experience that the people who actively fantasize about drugs are the ones that most often relapse and return to their addictions. I can only imagine it's even worse for people with perversions of human nature, such as perverse sexual fetishes. These are things that you're faced with within your very being. You have to admit, someone who consumes human flesh for sexual pleasure is perverted in the truest sense of the word. There is something wrong with them mentally, no if's, and's or but's about it. The only way to insure that they would not act on those fantasies again is to keep them away from all opportunity. Even if he doesn't want to, people have been known to act on impulse; again, fantasizing predisposes one to acting on those fantasies.

The way he seemed to feel about what he had done gave me no reason to believe he would never do it again if given the chance. My view is if I let someone in this type of case back into the general population, giving them even the opportunity to one day relapse into their fetish, I would honestly feel I had let society down.

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Ah; Baron, now I understand what you mean.

I would be very suspect, of course, when someone was convicted with child abuse. Being just pedophile isn't a crime. Having a sexual relationship with kids who not consent with the action surley is.

You say it is very obvious that Armin will do it again - So I would be careful when I meet him, of course.
Only committing a crime one single time does not mean that he necessarily commits again. But It's possible.

And... perhaps "pervers" means something different in english speaking countries. As fas as I know it means "different, diverting from nomrality". Now what is normality? I'm not very normal either. I'm proud to be different.

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Arm in the Cannibal.

Haha, you made my day.

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Forceflow said:
Arm in the Cannibal.

Haha, you made my day.

Kinda gives a whole new twist to "Deep throat"

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Arm in the Cannibal.

Haha, you made my day.

Haha, I didn't even get it at first. It would even work in German (arm=Arm, in=in) except for the wrong article...

I wrote an article just after the towers fell titled "Nein One Won"

A play on words for the date involved.

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Orpheus said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Forceflow</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Arm in the Cannibal.

Haha, you made my day.

Kinda gives a whole new twist to "Deep throat" </div></div>

I just couldnt stop laughing ^_^

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I wasn't saying he would definitely kill someone and eat them if he had the chance, just that the possibility is there. I think that possibility is enough of a reason to keep him away from the general population.

And by perverted I mean morally corrupt and/or deviating from what's natural.

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I guess I would react the same way. The risk is just too high. Although I find it kinda sad.... it seems to be true.

G'day, so far. And thank you for that nice conversation

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Lawjackal said:
Die Eier Von Satan

I just can't but think of the band Tool when I see that phrase.