Goldeneye Source Mod Leader

I don't know how many of you guys were actually following the mod or being involved in it, but I read this on the forum:

http://forums.goldeneyesource.com/index.php?showtopic=4933&st=0

also:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060525/GPG0101/605250512/1207/GPGnews

Now, I know this is the snarkpit, and I know a lot of you people have very explicit thoughts on suicide. Keep it respectful, please.

My thoughts go out to the family and friends.

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:: Forceflow.be :: Nuclear Dawn developer

<skeptacism>
Well this sorta stuff happens all over the internet, because people get either really suicidal or want to kill off a username. This has happened at least twice at svencoop with non-mod people on the forums craving attention, there was one such instance with someone called "superllama". he got hated because he acted inappropriatly. he then announced that he was gonna kill himself in 7 days. as the forum rules stated "no duplicate accounts" meaning you cant have 2 accounts from the same IP. on said day he signed back up pretending to be his sister. admins spotted this pretty much instantly as he logged into his account then logged out. the IP's were the same. he even managed to typo she into he a few times in his first post, the admins spotted this and banned him. he wasnt dead.
</skeptacism>

On the other hand why do people drive themselves to this? they must have pretty f*cked up minds for them to get driven that far. if you dont like something, get the hell away from it!

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^ - his obituary for your skepticism, Dred.

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There's already been a lengthy discussion about this over at Interlopers.net if you'd like to read.

http://forum.interlopers.net/viewtopic.php?t=10601

there are reasons for suicide, some of which make perfect sense, so should be left unexplained, just in case they make perfect sense to the wrong person.

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i eat paint

fishy is right. Someone might get the wrong ideas. But I must admit
that burning yourself to death takes a hell of a lot courage to do(and
yes, I know it might have not been his intention)... D.I.P.R.I.P.

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

Nickster was actually a member here, albeit it a sporadic visitor. I spoke with him a few times in the past and he seemed a really nice guy. I don't know what brought him to suicide but my sympathy goes out to all his family and friends.

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ReNo said:
Nickster was actually a member here, albeit it a sporadic visitor. I spoke with him a few times in the past and he seemed a really nice guy. I don't know what brought him to suicide but my sympathy goes out to all his family and friends.

Holy cow, you mean the same Nickster from here was the same Nickster that lead Goldeneye Source?! :shocked: I didn't realize that. I actually new Nickster a little bit and I remember him posting here aswell.

His name sounded familiar but it took a while to strike me that it's
the same guy who used to post here! I remember his posts... sounded
like a very decent and respectful guy who took most of the snarkpit
banter in his stride...

I didnt know him at all but this has to be a tough time for the people
around him. My condolences to his family and friends. I hope they get
through this tough time.

Also, one of his relatives

posted at the GE:S forums.

RIP nickster

Never met him but I can understand what it's like. A friend of mine hung himself in his garage two weeks ago, and he didn't have any problems either, he was a totally nice guy that everyone liked.

'Tis a strange thing...

Never met him but I can understand what it's like. A friend of mine hung himself in his garage two weeks ago, and he didn't have any problems either, he was a totally nice guy that everyone liked.

'Tis a strange thing...

People crop it up, I think.

Last year, a teacher at my school committed suicide. I'm not in a problem school or anything, and it was just an ordinary math teacher. He carefully left a note on the table, then drove his car off into the canal.

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Self-inflicted shutdown procedures are usually done by a person that
looks okay for an outsider. People just are good at hiding what really
happens behind their eyes. Yet, it's always sad to see it happen.

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

I hope he found what he's looking for.

I also hope his family can make it though these tough times.

Self-inflicted shutdown procedures are usually done by a person that
looks okay for an outsider. People just are good at hiding what really
happens behind their eyes.

But the strange thing is that I knew this guy, like really well. I'd hang out with him almost every day, and when I went to his house he didn't seem to have any family issues or anything.

Depression is easily hid, i've done it for the past 3+ years in my social circles.

My condolences to Nicksters family and friends,

Forceflow said:
and I know a lot of you people have very explicit thoughts on suicide. Keep it respectful, please.

Yes, me being one of them. For you however, I will abstain.

To the survivors of this extremely self centered act, my condolences.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

yeah, no disrespect intended force, but a bit of mild disgust....sorry bud...ive had some of the craziest thoughts ever to run thru a human head, including the, "i wonder whats on the other side" speculation, but ive always considered "it" the weak way out....but then some cant cope.....quite sad actually, he was a talent from what i could tell... :/

heartfelt condolences to the family....

Doc B

I have always believed 3 things about death. And I truly believe them.

1) Death last a freaking long time. Do not rush getting there because it last long enough already.
2) This world is a much better place with me in it, than not.
3) The world will mourn my passing. One day each of you will sigh and not know why. You will just sigh. That day will prolly be the one I died on.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

I think you may have forgotten the light blue font color for those last two points Orph.

Addicted to Morphine said:
I think you may have forgotten the light blue font color for those last two points Orph.

Really?

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Orpheus said:

Addicted to Morphine said:
I think you may have forgotten the light blue font color for those last two points Orph.

Really?

Yes, you pompous ass.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

You know, I have always found it a bit strange when someone insinuates that something is wrong, and then uses that very wrong to prove their point.

Isn't it a bit pompous to judge me? Or have I missed logical conclusions 101?

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The best things in life, aren't things.

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Gwil said:
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We get the point, Sir.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

Orpheus said:
You know, I have always found it a bit strange when
someone insinuates that something is wrong, and then uses that very
wrong to prove their point.
Isn't it a bit pompous to judge me? Or have I missed logical conclusions 101?

You don't have to be a pig to know when someone else is wallowing in s**t.

Most people will never make it obvious if they are feeling depressed. Last year I was extremely depressed, in fact I once even considered suicide - yet Im from a good family, with a good education, I do well at school etc. No one ever knew how depressed I was inside. On the outside I was always really happy, but inside I felt insanely depressed. IMO he was proberly extremely depressed, while outside he seemed perfectly normal.

Its always said to hear of someone who commits suicide.

Man, how sad. A friend of my family committed suicide when I was 8 years old or so. I remember not being able to comprehend. I still don't but for me it helps to think of it as a deadly sickness both hard to cure or diagnose. It sure wasn't his fault but neither that of his family. :sad:

Addicted to Morphine said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Orpheus</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>You know, I have always found it a bit strange when someone insinuates that something is wrong, and then uses that very wrong to prove their point.
Isn't it a bit pompous to judge me? Or have I missed logical conclusions 101?

You don't have to be a pig to know when someone else is wallowing in s**t.
</div></div>

Every time I read poorly thought out logic like this I cringe. There are so many proper examples that one wonder... Why chose poorly?

To the pig, the s**t is as normal as silk bedding to you or I. I know you are focusing on the doodoo, but you needed to lose the pig portion.

sighs

The problem is that I wasn't commenting on the pompous part at all. I can see how it reads as such. I used to wonder myself if it sounded odd to believe as I do. I finally gave up wondering because to waste time worrying about what some one else is thinking is pure crap. Given time, people will always find something to dislike. People spend an inordinate amount of time actually looking.

What I was really commenting on was, the action was admitted to be wrong, yet there was no hesitation to incorporate its use by the very people who just expressed disdain.

I see it all the time in real life. Someone complains about minding their own business but the very act of saying it, is not minding their own business.

Anyway, I just felt it was strange enough to comment on.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

I feel that suicide is an unthinkable act untill you follow
through. None of us can understand what was going on inside his
head, HIS PERSONAL reality. I too hope he found what he was
looking for, and thats that.

Sad indeed, may he rest in peace. Must be very hard for his family and close friends.

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What the Snarkpitters listen to!

I hope he found what he was looking for

I don't understand this sentence. It's all wrong to me.

The things that keep me from suicding are:

• There is nothing after the life, so it's too precious to lose<LI>
• Tommorow is another day, might be worse and might be better<LI>
• Everything can change, if it's bad now you can always try to make it better, I shouldn't jump to hasty dicisions that I can't regret later<LI>
• If I'm dead I'm usless but if I'm alive I can help and change things<LI>
• I always try to find a reason to live for, a man with out that goal/hope is a doomed man<LI>

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Elon Yariv

The things that keep me from suicding are:

• There is nothing after the life, so it's too precious to lose<LI>
• Tommorow is another day, might be worse and might be better<LI>
• Everything can change, if it's bad now you can always try to make it better, I shouldn't jump to hasty dicisions that I can't regret later<LI>
• If I'm dead I'm usless but if I'm alive I can help and change things<LI>
• I always try to find a reason to live for, a man with out that goal/hope is a doomed man<LI>

Thats a good outlook on life.

I feel that the "after life" is what draws people to kill themselves,
even in this case he said he wanted to know. I wonder how people
would view life if we had no concept of life after death?

I feel that the "after life" is what draws people to kill themselves,
even in this case he said he wanted to know. I wonder how people
would view life if we had no concept of life after death?

I'm not sure if most people actually take their own life based on "wanting to see the after life" but more "this sucks, lets end it" aspect, to be completely honest.

I know less people would be willing to fight for some random cause if they knew there was nothing else (or believed as such). Doubt much else would be different.

Your 'question' wasn't rhetorical, was it?

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

oh no, now how will we ever get another s**tty remake of Goldeneye?!

I feel that the "after life" is what draws people to kill themselves,
even in this case he said he wanted to know. I wonder how people
would view life if we had no concept of life after death?

I'm
not sure if most people actually take their own life based on "wanting
to see the after life" but more "this sucks, lets end it" aspect, to be
completely honest.

Your 'question' wasn't rhetorical, was it?

no, it wasn't

I suppose I mean, its a factor. your right though, people would
be alot more careful in general if there was no "after life" in the
back of everyone's mind.

oh no, now how will we ever get another s**tty remake of Goldeneye?!

GE:S is an excellent mod considering the early status.

Crono said:
I know less people would be willing to fight for some random cause if they knew there was nothing else (or believed as such). Doubt much else would be different.

I dunno about everyone but the people I know that would be willing to fight for a cause, are usually thinking about the future when they contemplate worthy causes.

I do not think that future involves anything even remotely close to "afterlife"

I am unsure how else to say that except that way.

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The best things in life, aren't things.

reaper47 said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>oh no, now how will we ever get another s**tty remake of Goldeneye?!

GE:S is an excellent mod considering the early status.</div></div>

It is also another unnecessary and pointless remake of a 10 year old console game with gameplay that doesn't translate to the PC. But hey, most creativity and originality has been sucked out of the gaming industry so why should we expect independent mods made by passionate people to be any different.

This is hardly the time or place to be bad mouthing his mod Yak.

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I'm sorry, but after reading

the man had taken a charcoal grill into the bathroom and started a fire.

I can't really think of anything nice or even vaguely nice to say about the deceased.

Ok, I understand, you've got problems and you want to take the easy way
out because no-one else in the universe has it worse than you do, but,
damn...gassed himself?! I feel more sorry for his family.

No doubt Reno, I'll shut up and let everyone continue on with their pointless debating over the morality of suicide.

Yak_Fighter said:
No doubt Reno, I'll shut up and let everyone continue on with their pointless debating over the morality of suicide.

So the discussion becomes pointless when your no longer allowed to spam in it?

Quite frankly I'm disgusted by a few of your opinions. The guy killed himself and we don't have a right to decide the weight of his life through his actions. We don't know what his life was like, we don't know if he had a psychological disorder, we don't know anything about him. Yes there are others out there with far off worse situations than him but everyone handles life differently and suicide doesn't make someone a coward. You can't really judge the guy unless you are in his shoes. I'm sympathetic because I know what it's like to be on the edge of suicide, and it's not pretty. Some might call me a coward for thinking about suicide but they don't have a clue what was going on in my head, same for him.

I suppose that by saying that you're disgusted by "a few of your
opinions" you actually mean mine.

In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more
often than not, it's all in your head. Most fall into an intense state
of self-pity and refuse to realise that they alone are the ones who
have the power to drag themselves out of it. But, hey, this happens to
everyone sooner or later. Some hit the bottle and eventually become
chronically depressed alcoholics. And a tiny number of them fall so deep
into the state of mind they've pushed themselves into that they attempt to
kill themselves, convinced that they no longer have a purpose or that
they are beyond help. Some do indeed suffer from some mental disorder,
but they're not as numerous as the self-pity ones. I'm not talking out
of my ass here, like I usually do. You say you know how these people
feel.� I know people like these too.

In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more
often than not, it's all in your head.

Isn't everything in your head? all feelings and emotions, happy,
sad, scared, love, hate... its all internal. Even your view of
the world and all other people is in your head. and there is only
one way out of your head.

but I do agree that you are the only one that can get yourself out of a dark place.

Spartan said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Yak_Fighter</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>No doubt Reno, I'll shut up and let everyone continue on with their pointless debating over the morality of suicide.

So the discussion becomes pointless when your no longer allowed to spam in it?

Quite frankly I'm disgusted by a few of your opinions. The guy killed himself and we don't have a right to decide the weight of his life through his actions. We don't know what his life was like, we don't know if he had a psychological disorder, we don't know anything about him. Yes there are others out there with far off worse situations than him but everyone handles life differently and suicide doesn't make someone a coward. You can't really judge the guy unless you are in his shoes. I'm sympathetic because I know what it's like to be on the edge of suicide, and it's not pretty. Some might call me a coward for thinking about suicide but they don't have a clue what was going on in my head, same for him.</div></div>
Yes, the discussion is pointless for the very reasons you posted, but durrr I'm spamming. Nobody knows much about this person, his life, or his reasons for taking his life, but that doesn't stop every single person waxing poetic on their personal opinions about suicide, something that is heavily shaped by individual experiences and deep seated religious or spiritual beliefs. Arguing about it only causes misunderstandings and hurt feelings, and absolutely nothing positive is gained by doing so. Noone will change their opinions on this because of words on the internet.

DrGlass said:
<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quote:</DIV>
<div class="quotetext">In my opinion, suicide is determined by a state of mind. Thusly, more often than not, it's all in your head.

Isn't everything in your head? all feelings and emotions, happy, sad, scared, love, hate... its all internal. Even your view of the world and all other people is in your head. and there is only one way out of your head.

but I do agree that you are the only one that can get yourself out of a dark place.
</div></div></div>

Noone will change their opinions on this because of words on the internet.

99% of the time people don't change their opinion, even in the face a
hard facts or poetic phrasing. I see arguments and disscution as
a way to add to your personal understanding, not as a way to get people
on your side. We all must obviously think about this stuff, so
why not post it? If just for the illusion that we arn't talking
to ourselves?

Sad.