Re: Terror Plot in Britain
Posted by midkay on
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Agreed. Things are just.. going... majorly downhill. Sigh. :sad:
Hope you have an easy, quick and safe flight home, Morph.
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Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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Well I don't see the peace the US/GB troups supposedly brought to the middle east. More the opposite. So pulling out doesn't sound that much of a bad idea. 9/11 wasn't the result of rootless islamic fanaticism. It was the result of terribly unfair wars with western countries that were nothing but over the greed for oil.
I, by the way, know how you feel, Morph. I flew to London Sep 12th (2001). For some reason the pilot decided to switch on the microphone shortly after the start and mumble some words that sounded terribly like arabic. I didn't enjoy this flight, I can tell ya.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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I agree 100% with Scythe.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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So basically what we're saying here is...I should take over the world. Then all our troubles can melt away.<html><head><link rel="stylesheet" href="themes/standard.css" type="text/css"></head><body topmargin=2 leftmargin=2>
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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3000 Nigerians = 300 Iraqis = 30 Israelis = 3 Europeans = 1 American
The problem isn't that we care more about a single American life than thousands of "other" people. The problem is that we don't seem to think about the fact that those "other" people feel the same way.
Every death creates another Nationalist/extremist. All anyone cares about is themselves, if we can understand that a house wife from the mid west who locks her doors because the terror alert is orange is no different from a suicide bomber who kills himself and many others for a reward in the afterlife.
If we walk away they will walk away but god knows no one will ever walk away.
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I definitely agree that the wars against terrorism aren't helping.
I think what we're waging war against is just getting stronger. It's like a hydra. Every head we cut off two more grow out.
Every civilian we kill has a family that's devestated. They're not going to look at the west with anything but hatred. At least that's what I'm afraid the situation is like.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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there is a great flash game out there where you shoot bombs at terrorist and every time you kill one 3 more civilians turn into terrorists. Something the leaders of the world should have checked out BEFORE they found out in real life.
I think the terrorist thing is overblown. Remember that "group" of terrorist up north who were planning to blow up the tower in Chicago? Only one of them had ever BEEN to chicago, they were a dumb group of guys living in a shed somewhere who talked about blowing up something. I mean, go ahead STOP them but don't blow it out of proportion... I am not at all scared of terrorists, and I think that is the only real way to defeat them.
I mean before we stirred up the hornet nest there were what, 4 attacks on the US? 2 on the same building? and one by an American.
Rational thought would do this world some good.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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I think it was Penn Jillette the other day who said this, and I agree with him;
The terrorists are winning. What's the objective of a terrorist? To create change, to make people fearful. In the U.S. every aspect of life has changed, the government sells fear. The only way to beat terrorists is to just carry on with everyday life the way it was before all this terror nonsense.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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Sat Aug 12th 2006 at 8:46pm
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Well I'm speaking from an American stand point, but your right. Terrorism isn't a NEW thing, and for Americans (now the leader in the "WAR" on terror) it hasn't been a problem like for other places.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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nuke em all and let allah sort em out, problem solved
dusts off hands and walks away
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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I read in a rather interesting book on Al Qaeda that there is a certain strand of militant islamicism that believes this is a "international war", good vs evil, a natural progression from the militant viewpoints of before. This is how Bin Laden sees it and increasing number of others too. Walking away won't stop anything, this isnt like Hezbollah wanting Israel out of Lebanon, or IRA wanting Britain out of NI.
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Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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They only attack Spanish cities/institutions whatever though, because
ETA (That's the Basque separatist movement) represent a proportion of
people living in north Spain who want an independent state away
from the Spaniards.
Only recently, their was more recognition given to another splinter
group (based on ethnicity/culture/language) in Spain, who are linked
the Catalan area. I'd imagine all that nonsense stretches back to the
moors or the Arabs exercising their power over what we know as a modern
Spain.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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Here's the problem as I see it. Feel free to disregard my opinion but please do not attempt to discount it in some fashion because I am not alone in this viewpoint. I might be alone here, but hardly everywhere.
America has always had one serious flaw with regards to other nations. It seems to always have a blind spot where its own fallacies lie. America always seems to believe that everyone else "wants to be like us" and in that viewpoint it always seems hell bent on striving toward helping others into our mold.
The problem with other countries is that they are independent. EVEN IF that independency is detrimental to itself, they are still used to making their own decisions.
Consider it from this example. The schools in many bigger cities have gangs. These gangs are in charge, whether the school acknowledges it or not. If some outside power decides to rectify this situation, you will begin with a major session of strife and eventually give up in lieu of the semblance of peace that there used to be when the gangs ruled the roost. The only way to win in the school situation is to educate the newer members in favor of a better system.
America is a nation of "I WANT IT NOW!!!" This country cannot accept that to educate another country takes decades, or even generations of time.
This country has 2 options. Leave the little countries to their own or accept that you will get a bloody nose and probably many of them before any appreciable change happens.
The middle eastern nations have been fighting over their pathetic pieces of sand for hundreds of years. I say since their only perk is the fossil fuels their sand is floating on that we remove the prize by developing alternatives to fossil fuels and let the go back to their pathetic lives that they had BEFORE the world discovered oil.
America doesn't need the headache involved with these little places. If only we could get those in charge to accept this, our time upon this Earth would be so much the better.
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Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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It almost sounds like you're suggesting the US stops taking everyone elses oil.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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Americans are too optimistic.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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You really know absolutely nothing about Arab culture do you, Orph?
How you can disregard an entire region which is pretty much the birthplace of civilisation and has advanced it continually through the ages, years before oil was even a recognised resource, is staggering.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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Yay here in SA we make our own petrol! From COAL ^^
Worlds first plant to make juice from coal. SASOL.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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Gwil, whether you chose to read it the same as I do, you said exactly the same thing I said only using a different set of words.
As I said, as far as I am concerned the damned countries can go back to the way they were before we interfered. If you want to give them some more noble placement, so be it. Don't expect me to share it is all I ask.
We were, or SHOULDN'T have been discussing the history of the region. We SHOULD have ONLY been discussing its current role in the world. Which is infinitesimally small in my opinion.
If my views are upsetting you, or anyone, you should be aware that they are shared by a few million Americans presently. :rolleyes:
[EDIT] I do not want, need, or desire a history lesson. Save it for another thread thats not about violence or terrorism because quite frankly it doesn't belong in the same thread. The role of the middle eastern region is paramount in a history lesson but not necessarily prudent to bring up now. I acknowledge that violence is a part of history but really.... I feel its only retracting not enhancing the topic.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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I think what's most mysterious to me is the phrase "War on Terror". It doesn't make sense.
I remember the day when I came home from school (it was 3 o' clock here) and saw the two airplanes fly into the WTC. It gave me shivers like hardly anything I've seen before.
One of the first things I wondered (after the few hours of shock) was whether Bush would treat this attack as a criminal act by a few individuals or as an act of "war". I wasn't surprised that the later was the case. He hardly mentioned the thousands of people killed. He talked as if this was an attack on "America". Like some extreme political act. But it was nothing but the psychotic acts of a few individuals.
You can't start a "war" against them because the majority blew themselves up that day anyway. It's an ideology, nothing hierarchical or political. It was the act of a few people who were pissed and fanatic enough to let random people die for it. It was a criminal act but not a war crime. It wasn't planned by a country.
Everything he should have done is condemn the attacks, try to convict the extremists involved and not accept it as a "statement" or "attack against America". Bush himself dramatized the attacks as a symbolistic attack on the American way of life while instead he should have treated it as what it was - an overly organized killing spree. He made them martyrs when he had the chance to make them psychotics.
Now America is fighting a hidden ideology with tanks. Which is bulls**t. The true terrorists work in the local bank and wait for their phonecall.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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The very notion of a concept where you make war on terrorism is a farce anyway. From every perspective, terrorism is the idea of being terrorized. Who's to say that from the terrorists viewpoint that we aren't the aggressors?
I always wondered how peace could be brought about by war. The very concept boggles the mind when you consider that its aggression that is supposed to make peace.
Besides, had anyone truly wanted peace, it would have taken a buck 50 bullet to the heads of the known terroristic members of the world. If some crackpot can shoot the president from a grassy knoll, surely we can send someone trained in the art to do it for "Peace" :rolleyes:
I also never understood the way people throw the term "Terrorist" around so flagrantly. Its gotten where every Tom, Dick and NickelPlate uses it like its as common as a tire on a car. :razz:
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Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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I read your post several times. I am not complaining but what does my quote have to do with your thoughts?
Perhaps you could clarify please?
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Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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I just found out (in general) what this "terror" plot was about. HOW f**kING STUPID I have to ride on an airplane tomarrow, and they are going to take away my proactive cream??! I just can't understand how dumb all of this is, sure sure "an inconvinese is better than a plane full of dead people" but give it up if we don't let terrorist terrorize us, we would all be better off.
I can't have toothpase on the plane, bull s**t. I can't wait till the terrorist wear explosive braws on an airplane...
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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It'll only get worse. The security is bulls**t.
Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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I went on a trip the last couple weeks. Yeah, that was real fun ... getting the flight I'm on bumped up to "higher security" because of my name.
After this whole thing happened they started checking "random" people at the gates and rummaging through their carry on bag. The flight before mine, which was at the same gate, had four people "randomly selected". On my flight, as before, everyone was searched.
I also am practically permanently banned from printing out a boarding pass. I have to check inside. All because of my last name.
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Re: Terror Plot in Britain
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why? is your last name arabish?
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thev'e also come up with a vitual strip searching device that gives a very detailed picture of the person, and if they don't want there secret places shown around in public they put this little black peice of polastic or something in their pants. i think thats going alittle to far for security, plus people could just strap a bomb under their berries and that thing wouldn't even pick it up.
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I would not be able to function normally with an explosive device "strapped under my berries." Not even for Jihad.
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Re: Terror Plot in Britain
Posted by Crono on
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You weren't alive during WWII.
I didn't have a choice, I had to go see some family.
They're going to begin taking people who are Arab or have any Arab ethnicity and put them through specialized screening in airports, if that bill passes. At least that's what I heard.
You think there's nothing wrong with that? Last time I checked, it wasn't just Arabs bombing places. One of the guys they caught on that "dry run" was white.
Being suspicious of someone because of their heritage is not "being safe". Anyone can kill someone else. It has nothing to do with their ethnicity.
It doesn't stop at airlines, Jon. There is a perpetual racism that has only mild since the 70s and since 9/11 has been slowing rising up again. My parents had to deal with the Iranian Hostage Negotiation and thankfully, now, people aren't as ignorant as then.
Chances are, if my name comes up on a terrorist watch list, they have monitored many other things. I don't know T-Mobile or Verizon's stance on releasing that information, though.
Also, I don't want to hear any rebuttal. My comments don't concern anyone else. I was just saying what happened.
I don't see the point of arguing racial profiling any longer.
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