Thought you might enjoy this

http://news.jensbenecke.de/artikel/1001_a-message-from-john-cleese-to-the-citizens-of-the-us.html

lol. the sad thing is that i almost agree.

He had me until he banned July 4th.

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He had me until "failure to elect". Lemme recount some of the major events in America from the past few years.

2000: The American people elected Al Gore, George Bush was made president by the people who actually run the country

2001: A bunch of 'terrorists' operating under orders from Osama bin Laden, a known CIA asset, hijacked four planes and successfully flew three of them into certain important buildings, two of which collapsed in a highly sketchy manner, then another that wasn't even hit collapsed mysteriously, "due to fire". This all happened the same day NORAD was running an exercise simulating several passenger jets being hijacked. All three buildings that collapsed were leased and insured to Larry Silverstein at the time, who said during an interview on public access television that they made the decision to 'pull' building 7, contrary to the official 9-11 commission's report ("due to fire").

The controversial USA PATRIOT Act is passed, which makes unconstitutional surveillance, search and seizure perfectly legal, as long as someone says 'zomg terrorist'

2003: The United States defies the United Nations and invades Iraq, using phantom 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' as the pretense, or maybe it was because Saddam Hussein was harboring Al Qaeda leaders who helped plan the 9-11 attack (wave that flag, sheep!)... we never really got a good answer, we got celebrity news on all of the major news channels instead, and people just kinda forgot about it.

2004: Bush's main opponent in the presidential elections is also his cousin, and was also a member of the Skull and Bones club. More celebrities on major news channels.

And so on and so forth, etc, etc.

A Message from the Citizens of the US to John Cleese:
You are a c**t.

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John Cleese is the best comedian that has ever, and will ever live. You sir, are the c**t.

"2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as "favour" and "neighbour." Likewise, you will learn to spell "doughnut" without skipping half the letters, and the suffix -ize will be replaced by the suffix -ise. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up "vocabulary")."

QFT. I can't put enough emphasis on this one.

...and successfully flew three of them into certain important buildings, two of which collapsed in a highly sketchy manner, then another that wasn't even hit collapsed mysteriously, "due to fire".

"collapsed mysteriously". The Pentagon?
"sketchy" Do you mean messy?

Being funny doesn't excuse one from being a c**t.

Don't call me a c**t.

"collapsed mysteriously". The Pentagon?
"sketchy" Do you mean messy?

Building 7, part of the World Trade Center that was down the street and had a small amount of debris fall on it, then 'collapsed from fire'.

Sketchy as in dodgy, suspicious. The twin towers were designed to be very hard to bring down, other less well-designed buildings have burned uncontrollably for days and didn't fall. Structural steel doesn't even begin to soften at the temperatures present in the twin towers, and even if fire did weaken the supports enough for both buildings to collapse, they would have fallen over, not inward and downward, as they did.

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I'm with number seven on the list. American cars are poopy.

"Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America."

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Why snark works.

Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

That had me rolling on the floor in convulsive laughter.

Since only 21% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders

With the current fixation on Mexico, its obvious this fella didn't study before the test. :rolleyes:

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Someone been watching Loose Change by any chance?<br style="color: white;">

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Hello there.

SpiKeRs said:
Someone been watching Loose Change by any chance?<BR style="COLOR: white">

Yes sir. And I totally agree with you, Baron Von.

Another good video is 911 Mysteries or Terror Storm or The Myth and the Reality by David Lee Griffin.

What's really scary about 9-11 is that so many people still believe that it was done by guys controlling it from a cave. That is such BS!

Here's a good question for those who still don't think 911 was an inside job: If the government is so worried about terrorism, why are our borders wide open?

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Oh my God, this was about a funny article by John Cleese, and you've somehow turned it into another bulls**t 911 conspiracy theory thread.

[fishy was here]

My, such strong words for a tyke.

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i doubt that this has anything to do with john cleese, as he's educated enough to know that -ize is normally the prefered english spelling. he's usually funny, too.

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? quote:Sketchy as in dodgy, suspicious. The twin towers were designed to be very hard to bring down, other less well-designed buildings have burned uncontrollably for days and didn't fall. Structural steel doesn't even begin to soften at the temperatures present in the twin towers, and even if fire did weaken the supports enough for both buildings to collapse, they would have fallen over, not inward and downward, as they did.

I knew what u meant. I just said that because i couldn't think of a reason why you would say that, but those do should like good reasons to believe what you do. I don't want to stare a debate over this but i wonder what temperature you would have to reach to weaken the beams enough to fail.

Since only 21% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders

With the current fixation on Mexico, its obvious this fella didn't study before the test. :rolleyes:

Yeah, and with the current regulations popping in you'd think the States didn't see the difference between the border up here and down there.

Gorbachev said:
Yeah, and with the current regulations popping in you'd think the States didn't see the difference between the border up here and down there.

Ahh, so you like that passport thingy then. :kitty:

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I gotta tell you:

• American cars are great. If you cite the "Ford Pinto" or the "Gremlin" as an american car, I'm gonna throw the "Yugo" and the "Renault" in your face.
• America dropped the U from words because "Armour" is a french spelling. 'Nuff said.
• Redwood... It was not just that someone dumped some jet-fuel on the floor and it all melted... There was a PLANE that CRASHED into the building. there was an EXPLOSION. The weight from the plane and the concussion from the explosion knocked one floor out, it fell on the next one, and so on and so forth. It's not a conspiracy, it's a plane... and it exploded.

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? quote:[quote=Gorbachev]
Yeah, and with the current regulations popping in you'd think the States didn't see the difference between the border up here and down there.[/quote]
Ahh, so you like that passport thingy then. :kitty:

I unlike many other locals (I work at a bank so I see this sort of stuff very, very frequently) have a still-valid passport. But I never use it when going to the States and quick frankly it's retarded. This is nothing more than the usual scare tactics, I mean seriously you make everyone have passports but anyone unscrupulous will just have counterfeit passports anyway and with such a high volume of documents personnel will just be so glossed over seeing them they won't pay attention to the details anymore.

And they try to arm and train the guards like the ones at the Mexican border. Psst...here's a tip, we don't give a s**t about hopping the border; waiting 1-5 cars to talk with a normal human for two seconds is fine for us. Making us wait in lineups to get passports and then bigger lineups so automatons can back up the queue with unnecessary checking of documents does piss people off and the jumpers will still be jumpers. Some good messing up of international relations though, I know lots of people who aren't going to go through the hassle to travel for shopping trips, etc. (And this goes both ways for those who want to get arrogant). Way to screw up tourism for no reason other than political and financial gain in the name of "safety".

[*] Redwood... It was not just that someone dumped some jet-fuel on the floor and it all melted... There was a PLANE that CRASHED into the building. there was an EXPLOSION. The weight from the plane and the concussion from the explosion knocked one floor out, it fell on the next one, and so on and so forth. It's not a conspiracy, it's a plane... and it exploded.[/list]

Hay i'm with you. I'm not the one who said the plain wasn't what caused the collapse. Read the earlier posts.

PS: All ford cars suck!

RedWood said:
PS: All ford cars suck!

Cars suck because of their owners, not the other way around. :rolleyes:

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Right. You can make an awful car good if you know what you're doing. I still don't like American cars, though.

<span style="color: lightblue;">I'd say some American cars suck, but not all. The ones I've encountered have been quite keen on drinking fuel and not very sturdy(and f**king cold during winter). I guess ecologic fuel consumption isn't the first thing on your minds when your gasoline costs only a fraction of what it does here and I'd also guess that durability isn't an issue there since people are going to change their cars often anyways(they're hell of a lot cheaper there than they are here) and as for the coldness part... Well US of A isn't known for it's extreme winters(for the exception of Alaska and some mountain areas) so I guess that it isn't a priority to make cars that stay warm during winter time.

My neighbors had a Chrysler Neon for a short while(it had a ton of electrical problems as well as it was noisy and not that great to drive). Now they've got some Honda SUV. What I've noticed that Japanese and European cars survive better out here. I know why European cars survive so well(they're made for the conditions duh), but I can only guess why Japanese cars aren't so kinky in these conditions. And don't even get me started about Fords(I've heard that the FORD acronym stands for Fix Or Repair Daily)...

<span style="font-style: italic;">Of course opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one!

<span style="color: limegreen;">Edit: I forgot something extremely important from this post. I apologize any inconvenience caused by this post.</span>
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Cars are not inherently borked. Yes, they make lemons but by and large, they aren't made broken.

However, their owners are. The average grownup now, hasn't a clue on how to properly maintain an automobile. I have owned several cars. Most have in excess of 100,000 miles. The last 4 have in excess of 300,000. My Saturn has 394,000 miles on the odometer, and 760,000 miles on the body. All my auto's are properly maintained though.

If you have a car, thats not been previously owned, and its broken, its more than likely your fault. Thats not 100% assured, but its more than likely true. If you have a previously owned car and its broken, stop bitching about the car since you are not privy to its history. You cannot in good faith blame it for its woes.

If you are under 30, the chances are you have NOT the knowledge to make an educated assessment of car brands. You are more than likely just repeating your parents words. There are however exceptions. I am betting NickelPlate knows a few things about cars, and we all know that he is a child in a grown mans body. :heee:

But seriously, until you've owned a car from new, don't wad all cars into the "FORD SUCKS ASS" category. :rolleyes:

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When I was 6 I used to have an insane crush on my dad's Ford Escort. Infact I was so obsessed with Escorts in general that everytime one went I used to exclaim "Ford Escort!". It was the last model before they got replaced by the Focus- 1996 model. But I liked cars in general. I also enjoyed crushing my toy cars. I liked cars so much that I hated them if you know what I mean. I went mad over them- crazy. I would jump at the chance to see a car being crushed whole. I dunno why, I just did.

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<DIV class=quotetext>PS: All ford cars suck!</DIV></DIV>

oh, no you di'in't!

I'd say of the 3 main car manufacturers in the USA, Ford is the best one. Their business practices lately are very shady/crappy, but their cars are great. REmember: Ford makes Volvo, Land Rover, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Mazda, Lincoln and Mercury. If you say Aston Martin sucks I will purchase a plane ticket to the airport nearest your house, and hijack the plane into your bedroom, planting the starboard engine in your face. :biggrin:

Edit: Flynn, the british escort is different from the USA escort. The british one started out having quite a bit of class. Not unlike my 1956 British Ford Consul http://consul.dimebowl.com <----very nice. lol

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RedWood said:
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I knew what u meant. I just said that because i couldn't think of a reason why you would say that, but those do should like good reasons to believe what you do. I don't want to stare a debate over this but i wonder what temperature you would have to reach to weaken the beams enough to fail.

The simple facts of temperatures:

• 1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
• ~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
• ~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower.

Seems to me that the towers would have a chimney effect, turning them into a flue.. Thereby increasing the heat like in a wood stoves vent pipe.

Just my thinking though since the stairway in the towers was engulfed in all that fuel. :rolleyes:

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Orpheus said:
Just my thinking though since the stairway in the towers was engulfed in all that fuel. :rolleyes:

Most, if not all, of the fuel burned off directly after impact according to most reports. There is a video of a woman waving from inside the building shortly after impact. If the fire was so hot to melt even the structural steel, then how could she be alive, waving for help inside the cuts in the steel that the planes made when they impacted?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/170105womanwaving.htm

More Cleese, less 9-11 paranoia. We've had enough of that already.

How do planes fall out of the sky at 30,000 feet and 600 mph and people walk away?

You're asking a question about the exception to the rule. Perhaps you should be thinking about the rule.

I saw with my own eyes a car that had been hit by an Amtrak train. You know, the 100 mph kind?

Nothing was left of the car to identify what make it was except the hubcap of one wheel. The driver lived with scratches.

s**t happens, and theres no conspiracy involved. People naturally want to blame, and its easiest to blame whats closer to home, than something thousands of miles away.

America, or certain segments of it want to believe that the US government had something to do with the towers falling. Nothings going to stop them from thinking such. But its my belief that the government can sabotage a lot, with a lot less visuals. Seeing the towers fall was pretty well seen. There are things that can do more harm, and no one will notice for years.

Why do something, everyone would notice, assuming you had the incentive to cause grief?

Never mind, thats a rhetorical question since you've obviously made up your mind. If you think the US government brought down the towers, then they did.

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I can imagine some sort of involvement of the USA governement, but i did some research a while back that tackled some of the arguments.

I think it is one of those things that will be uncovered in 60 years.

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The strength of the turbulence is directly proportional to the temperature of your coffee.

John Cleese should have made a comment about these conspiracy theories. :smile:

Personally, I think that a big plane crashing into a 300 meter high building creates enough havoc to cause a collapse.

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I was a Combat Engineer in the army, not a structural Engineer so I cannot say for a certainty but, I do know how to blow up a building so I think my guess is better than some.

The planes crashed just far enough down to cause the upper portion to collapse under its own weight.

Remember, the second building hit, was the first to fall. It fell first because the hit was further down and more pressure was exerted from above.

I am not really sure about the construction, but I imagine a few parts were made of aluminum. Ask any Brit about the Hood, and you'll know what happens to aluminum once its heated. (This also assumes that I remember my history about Battleships and powder magazines.)

Anywho, the buildings fell because of the fire, not the impact. Had the planes had less fuel, the outcome might have been different.

shrugs

Who knows.

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The simple facts of temperatures:

• 1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
• ~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
• ~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)

Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.
The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower.

Ok, but i asked what the temp has to be for the beams to weaken. Not melt. I know if i want to bed a iron bar i have to clamp it in a vice heat a point with a map gas torch, then hit it with a hammer. what temp would the beams have to reach, with the million or so pounds on top of them, to fail. I don't think i have to even reach a 1000 deg f to bend that bar.

And yes ford cars are grate... for 20 thousand miles. Then they fall apart FAST. In a sense, orph is right. I am repeating the words of my father, but he is a mechanic. He doesn't have any particular dislikes for ford. Is just every time i talk to him he tell me about some new god awful system or component to a car thats a f$$king nightmare to fix. and it never should have broken in the first place. Then i ask (because i don't like ford) "is it a ford" and 85% of the time he'll say yes.
I can remember one specific example. I walk into the shop one day and he tells me what a piece of crap theses things are, and that he's fixing the timing chain on another one of them. As he troughs his thumb back pointing a ford probe. someone els hear has herd of this, i'm sure.
I'v had this argument before with people. so i ask him "are ford's really that bad." "It depends" as he looks around. "well i think every car in hear now is a ford". At this point i look around and see fore cars in the shop. The probe, a ford s10 truck and to other cars (fords) i can't remember.
then he tells me he works mostly on fords.
Most American cars are crap because they are built to be crap. Their not trying. I i want a good American car, I'll buy a Saleen 7.

Well, the only thing you said that I concur with is, "Ford is a bitch to work on" The f**king people design their motors to require special tools. Assholes all of them.

The rest of it is.. unsubstantiated bunk. No car breaks more often than another, not by default anyway.

Yes, they all break. I drive brand new school busses and about 5 a year break down. I deliver about 75, so thats what? about 4%? Now compound that by ever how many people deliver school busses and you get a pretty whopping figure. s**t breaks.

I don't own it any longer but I did have a 1990 Tempo. By all accounts a piece of s**t car. At least thats what I heard prior to buying it.. USED.

I got over 400,000 miles out of it before it became to much of a liability to use anymore. Yup, fixed many of its parts, but it was still about 75% original equipment when I sold it for parts.

Now, if I bought into that crap about Tempo's, I'd not have gotten one to show me otherwise.

Believe what you wish, but its people who break these things. If your Pop is fixing mainly Fords, find out if its the owners breaking them before you complain. If your Pop doesn't know, then he should be quiet about Fords too. Could it be that more people drive fords and thats why more are broken?

I wonder.

IMO, the most reliable car is a Honda. No particular reason other than they seem to last beyond expectations. I do however like a Saturn too, so its not American or Foreign I favor.

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The hardest part of the whole 911 thing for me to understand is how people shrug it off like it's not a big deal anymore. To me, it seems that those people are very un-patriotic. How can they shrug it off like - meh, it's been 5 years ago now, get over it.

It is so obvious that the buildings didn't fall due to fire. I can site you many other buildings that have burned much longer, even days, and didn't collapse. Your agrument, I'm sure, will be that those building weren't hit by planes.

If a building can burn for hours and hours and not collapse, then what was it that caused the twin towers to collapse only after burning for a few hours? A plane hitting it? Certainly not, especially when the buildings were built to withstand hurricane force winds and a plane hitting it. They had to take that into account when they built the buildings especially when, at the time of their build, they were going to be the tallest in the world. They took into account that the Empire State Building was hit by a plane once which had been lost in the fog. However, the Empire State Building didn't collapse.

If, for the sake of argument, the buildings' metal stretched and bent due to the heat, wouldn't it make sense to think that the building would have fallen down alot slower than 9 seconds? There was a lot of weight there to collapse upon itself. Wouldn't the floors stack up as they fell, pancaking down upon one another and then slowing as more and more stacked up? But both buildings fell at the speed of gravity. It took 9 seconds for each building to fall. What happened to the floors under to make them not slow the building as it fell? Same thing happened to building WTC7 - but it wasn't even hit by a plane.

The fact remains that we have no structural engineers to postulate our arguments with. Not that that would do any good. We had a doctor, and he royally f**ked up the ADHD discussion. (Thats for the purpose of example, not to open past scabs)

The buildings were the biggest of the big. Unless you want to wreck a plane into the next tallest building of a DIFFERENT design, we'll never know for sure.

I watched the films about the falling. I believe it was due to a design flaw that never took into account of fire+impact. If they had, they never would have made the stairwells as they had.

I have no answer. Just my belief and my engineering background. I could bring a building down. I dunno if I could do it with a plane. I never studied that.

So, my best guess is worthless. :sad:

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The fact remains that we have no structural engineers to postulate our arguments with.

Maybe we do. My dad is a structural engineer, albeit he doesn't have any experience when it comes to skyscrapers.

Andrei said:
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<DIV class=quotetext>The fact remains that we have no structural engineers to postulate our arguments with.

Maybe we do. My dad is a structural engineer, albeit he doesn't have any experience when it comes to skyscrapers.</div></div>

And?

Have you asked his views? I bet they would be unbiased, even if his experience isn't with the giant buildings.

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Alright you did it. I did watch Loose Change. And it gave me shivers.

I don't know what I can say about it. It's just a collection of information never revealed or confirmed. I can only listen to it.

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I couldn't finish. The kid just wouldn't shut up. :sad:

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About 20% of this video really made sense, in an eerie way.

Maybe the best argument is that the majority of people (including me) would prefer living in a world in which Islamic terrorists organize attacks from their caves rather than a world of powerful politicians going crazy beyond the kind of craziness we got used to. I don't want to believe this, even if it was true.

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Have you asked his views? I bet they would be unbiased, even if his experience isn't with the giant buildings.

Long story short, he doesn't buy into this 9-11 conspiracy thing. He said that the impact and the shock it sent through the entire building, the fact that the exposion further damaged the structure and the combined weights of the top part of the building and the plane itself should have been more than enough to bring down the building. Sorry if it's not the in-depth analysis full of numbers and diagrams you we're (probably) hoping for, but I was too tired to insist.
Still, a little more plausible that Bush having 3 planes fly into the WTC and the Pentagon.

As for the plane flying into Empire state argument. IIRC the building was hit in the late forties by a B-25 bomber that got lost in the fog. The building was relatively new then, and you know, even the best-maintained buildings lose some structural resistance in time, and a B-25 is smaller than a 777 (or whatever they flew into the towers) and doesn't fly as fast. Less speed, less impact surface, less fuel... Plus the plane was nearly out of fuel, so not much of an explosion.

...He doesn't have any particular dislikes for ford...

...If your Pop doesn't know, then he should be quiet about Fords too...

...Wouldn't the floors stack up as they fell, pancaking down upon one another and then slowing as more and more stacked up?...

I thought that was exactly what happened. Am i wrong?

OH HO HO AMERRRICANS SO UNCULTURED YES

PASS ME A SPOT OF TEA JEEVES OH YES AMMMMERICANS SO UNCULTURED JEEVES TEA PLEASE JEEVES TALLY HO

At least it's funnier than most comedy coming out of America these days.

Fart boobs penis. Hah, I'm so funny!

man, I have a ford Bronco with 586,900 miles on it currently. Never had any real troubles with it. Over half a million miles on this ford...

other people in my family have other over-200,000 mile ford cars... we love 'em!

and it's always the dang Mopars that have freakin special tools required!

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