Yes that's right Visual c++ 2005 compiler works with the source engine now, and the express version is free to download.

So go out and make a mod :smile: .

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Compiling_under_VS2005#Requirements_.28other_SDKs_and_Setup_of_those.29

i know it works cuz i just tried it :3.

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We should consider something really long term for Snarkpits more affluent members to do. Or at least those members whom would be here a couple years from now. :cool:

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[quote]We should consider something really long term for Snarkpits more affluent members to do. [/quote]

I'm out...

af?flu?ent <SPAN class=pronset><SPAN class=show_ipapr style="DISPLAY: none">/ˈ?fluənt <SPAN class=labset>or, often, </SPAN>əˈflu-/ </SPAN><SPAN class=show_spellpr style="DISPLAY: inline">[af-loo-uhnt <SPAN class=labset>or, often, </SPAN>uh-floo-] </SPAN></SPAN>

<DIV class=body>?adjective
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having an abundance of wealth, property, or other material goods; prosperous; rich: an affluent person.





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Actually Fisheye, I was more thinking of this definition:

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin affluent-, affluens, present participle of affluere to flow to, flow abundantly,

We have members here who seem to have ideas that just spring up, like water out of the ground.

I prolly picked a poor choice of wording, but I meant it positively.

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i know you didn't mean it the way that it sounded to me, unless you've been hiding some sort of treasure chest from us.

btw, you haven't, have you? i could be a lot nicer... :biggrin:

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So even native speakers don't understand Orpheus? English. That explains a lot.

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reaper47 said:
So even native speakers don't understand Orpheus? English. That explains a lot.

Native English? You mean of the British variety?

Hell, neither Fisheye, nor myself hail from England.

Still, I meant well. I apologize for any bad feelings.

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Hmm, the irony train is rolling on by still :razz:

Irony must also come with a certain level of blindness as I rarely see it whenever someone else says it exists. Even if it doesn't pertain to me.

Irony sucks for its illusiveness. :sad:

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I just read "glasgow".

I always thought all these strange words I have to look up are actually quite common in the English language and I just haven?t heard of them because it?s not my first language.

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reaper47 said:
because it?s not my first language.

This is a primary reason you and I would have to work at fighting. I might get mad first and think second with someone whom uses English as a first language, but never if they have to work at English cause its not.

I know that doesn't really make sense, because no one is supposed to get angry first and think second. The sad fact is that most of the arguments around here transpire in just that fashion. Oh, not by just me but everyone.

The only thing most of us have going for us is our close associations with one another. Its pretty amazing how close a friendship one can attain via the net.

Anywho's, English isn't English everywhere. Be glad that you missed the argument between two of us over the word "Prick" That word definitely doesn't cross the pond very well.

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reaper47 said:
I just read "glasgow".

pronounced 'glez-gah'

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i eat paint

reaper47 said:
I just read "glasgow".

I always thought all these strange words I have to look up are actually quite common in the English language and I just haven?t heard of them because it?s not my first language.

In general, I think most of the "strange words" you hear are quite ubiquitous (<-yes, I picked that one especially for you).

However.... in this case? I've never heard that definition of "affluent" before, Orph. I thought you were suggesting that someone with allot of money buy VC++ and let all the rest of us have it for free...

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Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.

Its in the first line of Webster.com Obie.

I may have gotten the definition wrong, but its funny that when I looked it up, it was almost exactly what I was thinking of.

As I said, if I got it wrong, why did Webster come close?

[EDIT] Heres the whole definition:

Main Entry: <SUP>1</SUP>af?flu?ent
Pronunciation: -&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin affluent-, affluens, present participle of affluere to flow to, flow abundantly, from ad- + fluere to flow -- more at FLUID
1 : flowing in abundance <affluent streams> <affluent creativity>
2 : having a generously sufficient and typically increasing supply of material possessions <our affluent society>

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he was a hick?

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Orpheus said:
Its in the first line of Webster.com Obie.

I may have gotten the definition wrong, but its funny that when I looked it up, it was almost exactly what I was thinking of.

As I said, if I got it wrong, why did Webster come close?

[EDIT] Heres the whole definition:

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<DIV class=quotetext>Main Entry: <SUP>1</SUP>af?flu?ent
Pronunciation: -&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin affluent-, affluens, present participle of affluere to flow to, flow abundantly, from ad- + fluere to flow -- more at FLUID
1 : flowing in abundance <affluent streams> <affluent creativity>
2 : having a generously sufficient and typically increasing supply of material possessions <our affluent society>

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I wasn't contradicting you, Jon. Just admitting my ignorance... However... I hate to say it but by those definitions "affluent people" can only mean "people who are rich", since obviously people cannot flow abundantly unless you put them through a wood-chipper. "affluent creativity" on the other hand is actually one of their examples...

Getting a little off topic, are we?
Well that's the Snarkpit for ya.

I'm going to see what I can do with this. I'll take it as an excuse to get into Source coding.

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As I Lay Dying

I downloaded VC++ 2005 Express and successfully built the source SDK base, but I just don't have it in me to write code.

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What is the advantage of using a different compiler?

Depends on the compiler. :biggrin:

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I know, and it's quite brilliant.
VC++ Express edition however, is a bummer. It's quite a nerfed version. I think I'll be getting a student version or something.

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Anyone knowing any tutorials on how to get it to compile with MingW? Then I might give a look in to the source of the Source(SDK). :biggrin:

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Dystopia - Empires

Forget it with MinGW. There was a tutorial on the SourceSDK wiki, but compiling under minGW causes more trouble than anything else.

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Tracer Bullet said:
people cannot flow abundantly unless you put them through a wood-chipper. "affluent creativity" on the other hand is actually one of their examples...

Well, the process of passing through a chipper would only be considered creative to a serial killer. I dunno if i wanna be in the same category as a killer who makes art out of people pieces.

I favor my ideal that knowledge is fluidic and as such can flow. :wink:

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How fluxional.

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Oh thank God. A Source Code update to get the code to work with VCE Express is something I've been waiting for, since I've never been able to find any links to the 2003 version of Visual C++ :/

And yea, I'd pay for it to if I could just find someone selling it.

Anyhow, I need to try compiling SDK Code some time :]

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Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it

Forget it with MinGW. There was a tutorial on the SourceSDK wiki, but compiling under minGW causes more trouble than anything else.

What do these Valve guys have against standards? :sad: MingW compiles standard(ANSI) C and C++ and more, but I guess Valve just uses so much stuff added by M$ in their code that isn't too close to the standard... I actually couldn't compile some standard examples on MS VC at our school because the MS made compiler doesn't understand standard C(the example I took from a 1970s C programming book compiled just fine in both MingW and DJGPP(as well as an old Borland compiler I had on my 486)). :biggrin:

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''Everyone wades in s**t until they're competent enough to walk on it. Jesus style.''
Dystopia - Empires

I assume the programmers at Valve have nothing against standards, rather, they prefer solid IDE's. :smile:

Note that standards may change over times - 1970's code probably isn't compliant with the C99 standard. But, I'm no expert in language standards, I'm just a humble programmer. :biggrin:

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I assume the programmers at Valve have nothing against standards, rather, they prefer solid IDE's. :smile: Note that standards may change over times - 1970's code probably isn't compliant with the C99 standard. But, I'm no expert in language standards, I'm just a humble programmer. :biggrin:

Something very similar to the "Hello World" program shouldn't be very different between different versions of a standard, but then again what would I know.

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Dystopia - Empires

I can understand why it's impossible to keep it standard. They're not writing your-average-2000-lines-C++ app here. :smile:

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There's actually a very good chance that it doesn't work with the standard because they're using MS development tools. I mean ... the founding members of Valve were Microsoft employees.

It is not impossible to keep to a standard when the standard changes and adapts to newer technologies, while never invalidating previous techniques and ideas. They're just now phasing out using the standard library .h files (They want you to use namespaces).

The point is, code written at the beginning stages of a language should work for all eternity. The compilers should support all features described in a language's standard.

Visual C++ could actually be considered a seperate language. Basic syntax is the same, but practices aren't.

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Guys! what i was trying to say is that 2005 express WORKS with hl2 now.. :O

No need to throw money at the microsoft guys. I compiled the other day and made the rocket launcher shoot really slow :razz: .

It's not nerfed anymore.

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I compiled the other day and made the rocket launcher shoot really slow

Great! Now make the camera move with it, add some Matrix-styled number screen overlays and add give the rocket a big blast. :razz:

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I can see it now. When the computer calculates that when you fired it will be an instant kill and head shot, it will go into Super Death Cam Mode and follow the bullet ... or rocket to its destination.

Though then you have the problem of getting killed while that happens.

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Blame it on Microsoft, God does.

That kind of mod already exists. Something with Solid Snake in the name ...

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