Contest Rules

matt said:
voted for 'themed' And what the hell is 'flat shaded' exactley?

Look at the crete3_wall textures or the plain fuel and oxy textures.

Better yet you can always put your 3D view in "flat" mode

I'm not gonna be competing, but I felt flat-shaded could use another vote.

voted for 'themed' And what the hell is 'flat shaded' exactley?

You couldn't figure it out from the screenshots posted?

edit: Maybe you didn't see the other thread

:smile:

(Duncans work)

Very nice indeed. Makes me think of Mario games on NES and of DocRock's Mario maps :smile:

whats r_speed ?

asterix_vader said:
whats r_speed ?

Permission to beat the living sh?t outa you? :biggrin:

There's a tutorial here http://www.snarkpit.com/editing.php?page=tutorials&id=60&highlight=r_speeds

R_speeds are a display of the render speed of the current scene. Basically, it tells you how many polygons are being rendered among other things. There is a tutorial about them here at the snarkpit, I recommend you read up as it will give a better description than I can here.

Pipped at the post. :wink:

I'm not going to let ReNo steal all the attention here; just most of it. Enjoy below screens while your eyes commit suicide. (It's not as disorienting in-game as you think!) :smile:

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/campaignjunkie/monochrome04.jpg

http://www.snarkpit.com/pits/campaignjunkie/monochrome04.jpg

Thats nice :eek:

nice but epilleptic fit inducing :razz: Jk, Looks fantastic CJ, but couldnt a player get lost if that level ever got large? Kind of hard to have landmarks when everythings black and white :razz: Maybe its a bit easier ingame, as you say.

Cant we just have both? I think the flat shaded people are getting greedy :biggrin: You want your flatshaded, and i want my themed! (Actually, i wanted my Single player, but i didnt get that did i? :sad: )

-BB

CJ, architecture looks amazing, but the colors are blinding and sometimes look miss placed. Try some easier colors on the eyes. And maybe a bit of light added to it. no to much though

I already toned down the white and black to some greys, but I'll tone it down a little more I guess.

Players... Will easily get lost, I think. I'm planning on making all of the rooms different enough so they all serve as "landmarks" so to say. Part of the "charm" of the experiment is the fact that's it's just 2 textures 32x32 textures. :razz: Might mix in a navy blue in some places too.

http://www.gamesupply.co.uk/kingnic/screens/flat0001.jpg

I'm loving it :biggrin: Forget my earlier suggestion of pencil - i'm sticking with this. And that's lighting which is creating variation in the textures, otherwise the whole thing just looks crappy.

Its cool how everyone is developing their flatshaded maps in unique ways - yours is certainly the closest to realistic. I like the clean lines in your archictecture, and I'm particularly fond of the little building on the top of the right hand wall, very classy design to it despite being quite simple. Using lighting suits this one much better than it would in, for example, mine or CJs, but I think at the moment the lighting could use some improvement. Looks like you have some interesting fixtures but they need the actual lighting to be better developed.

Nic, You could make that place look 'sterile' with a 'reflective' 'metalic' floor. Just a thought.

@ReNo - cheers. This was the first compile with lighting. The compile without looked horrendous so i stuck a few lights in and compiled, didnt get chance to tweak em. Used a light_environment to get some quick lighting in, but I'm going to remove that at some point and just use world lights.

@Crono - I decided to go for the sterile look when i first saw this compiled. It reminds me of a lot of the early HL2 mod renders. Don't know what you mean by reflective metalic floor though, given that we're only allowed to use flat textures...

Oh, and are we allowed to use transparent textures as long as they are flat? I wouldnt mind some grates for players to see through, but obviously r-speeds are gonna be horrendous if i do it by hand...

I'm personally using a couple of non-flat textures, such as the fades on my lighthouses, but I think provided its mostly flat shaded it should be fine :smile: Besides, the contest hasn't been determined yet, it might not be flat shaded...though even if it isn't we will still be gathering around Adam and throwing these things at him so keep it up regardless :wink:

Nic, he probably meant doing something like this but flatshaded http://www.snarkpit.com/editing.php?page=tutorials&id=58&highlight=reflective

http://www.gamesupply.co.uk/kingnic/screens/flat0003.jpg

Trouble with doing that Alien_Sniper is r-speeds. I said I would go full-out for r-speeds on this map but I'm not comfortable with doubling them.

You wouldn't have to double them, you could significantly decrease the brushwork detail on the reflection without anybody noticing the difference really.

Thanks, A_S and Reno, you saved me two posts :smile:

Or maliciously stole two potential posts from you...whichever way you wanna look at it I guess :smile:

remember - if you're using flat colored textures, you have no need to maintain texture scale. You can scale to your hearts content, and provided you use the appropriate hlrad flag to prevent lightmaps from scaling with the texture (flashlight, rocket trails, etc), you can save a decent bit of polys on larger chunks of geometry.

I voted for flatshaded, but please, let someone release a wad with all the colours innit.

thats class nic, good job. :smile: Im getting interested in flatshaded now. DAMN YOU ALL. stop flooding us with this flatshaded screenie propaganda :razz:

-BB

Forceflow, it isnt difficult to knock up a wad with some coloured textures in it. But anyways, here's one i knocked up in about 2 minutes:

http://www.gamesupply.co.uk/kingnic/files/flat.zip

... and another contest goes to hell.

I'm going to make a wad with as many colours in as I can this weekend and i'll stick a link up here :smile:

Heh, I've a feeling this flat-shaded thing is going to outgrow the contest (if there is one...)

i've still not voted, so i don't know how the numbers stand. if flatshading is a contender, would someone please say whats the best option for me to vote against it.

this could have been a lot cleaner if it was individual yay/nay polls on each of the above options.

Fishy & Cassius, I thought like the both of you about flatshading, until i decided to try it. Try creating a quick map with flatshading before making your mind up.

KungFuSquirrel said:
remember - if you're using flat colored textures, you have no need to maintain texture scale. You can scale to your hearts content, and provided you use the appropriate hlrad flag to prevent lightmaps from scaling with the texture (flashlight, rocket trails, etc), you can save a decent bit of polys on larger chunks of geometry.

Pardon my idiocy, but what flag is that? :smile:

-notexscale

KingNic said:
Fishy & Cassius, I thought like the both of you about flatshading, until i decided to try it. Try creating a quick map with flatshading before making your mind up.

too late. :rolleyes:

tbh, i was 100% against the idea until you posted your pics. they softened me up a bit. but i realised when Reno mentioned that they were 'the most realistic' so far that it was the realism in them that i liked. lots of grays like lots of realistic cement. and how much nicer they could look with even the simplest of textures to embelish them. so as it wasn't the flat shading that i liked after all, i'm 100% against it again [as a basis for a competition].

my eyes hurt just thinking about some of the maps that could come out of this. :rolleyes:

What if the contest theme was to be abstract/realism?

That pretty much covers all corners, with the flat-shading falling into the abstract category?

What nic has done is a lot more along the lines of what I was thinking of. Has anybody got a link to a flatshaded Q3 competition?

http://www.planetquake.com/nunuk/geocomp2challengemaps.htm

There ya go :smile: Not all of them are flat-shaded though...

http://www.planetquake.com/nunuk/geocomp2challengemaps.htm

Check those out guys, surely if our efforts can't sway you, these things can!

EDIT: FGS that keeps happening to me lately!

Heh, beat you to it :biggrin:

It may sound dumb after 6 pages, but what is exactly flatshaded ?

I mean is it like rendering a map without Rad (or Vis) ?

Kain said:
It may sound dumb after 6 pages, but what is exactly flatshaded ?

I mean is it like rendering a map without Rad (or Vis) ?

Your not the first to ask. Put your 3D view in VHE to flat and you'll get the idea. Also, look through this thread and the other comp thread and look at the pictures.

Or look at the following textures:
crete3_wall
oxy (plain one)
fuel (plain one)

Those aren't flatshaded textures wild, they are just fairly basic textures. Look at the textures "{blue", "red", "green" and the like. In other words, make a map using textures made up of just one flat colour.

well, they're close enough for me. but you are the winner

I voted for themed map :smile:

Flatshaded would be cool...especially if there was a flatshaded sky to go with...and flatshaded models...etc

/me votes for flatshaded

I made a flatshaded skybox for my volcano island map, its extremely simple to do :smile: In fact, flatshading is the only way I could possible do this map and get the skybox to work well, as it needs to represent a huge expanse of water and a realistic look would never look static like the flatshaded sky does. I must say that the weapon models and player models do look horribly out of place in the map though!

I smell a not-so small mod project. Reskin everything with flatshadeing!

A flatshaded skin, how would that work? Just make sure each obvious "component" of a gun is a different block of colour?

And turn off smoothing groups

:razz: