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No, My parents were invited to a private event held by a schmaltzy Attorney firm who hold "movie nights" several times a year for their employess and clients . Dinner, drinks, the whole schebang. I went as a favor to me dear old mother. They lease out a little theater in downtown proper(LA), fed and drank everybody royally before the flick. I must admit it was fun.

I saw Troy last night (as well). It was badass, but something was missing ... I'd discuss some other minor gripes I have with the film, but most people haven't seen it ... lets just say I was looking forward to seeing something happen and it never did. :\

I heard it was really bad. From a lot of people. And this isn't critics mind you.

I saw both Red Dragon and The Shining this evening. I highly recommend both as essential viewing (even though Edward Norton can't act very well as a protagonist, the antagonist in Red Dragon was an interesting character).

Kage_Prototype said:
I heard it was really bad. From a lot of people. And this isn't critics mind you.

I saw both Red Dragon and The Shining this evening. I highly recommend both as essential viewing (even though Edward Norton can't act very well as a protagonist, the antagonist in Red Dragon was an interesting character).

which version.. the remake was superb.. even without nickolson.. i'd have prefered the movie followed the book a bit closer, but we can't win them all :biggrin:

It was the Jack Nicholson one, yes. :smile:

Kage_Prototype said:
It was the Jack Nicholson one, yes. :smile:

when i first saw the movie as a youngster.. glares at giggling from back row the sentence "RED RUM" sent chills through me for a long time..

TRAB PU KCIP

"pickabar ... what the hell is pickabar?"

Secondly, Troy was good, even though they focused on Achelies a little too much. Most everything was very close to the Iliad (besides the dialog of course).

But in all adaptations you expect change, I think the final product was good ... except for one thing ... grr.

Most everything was very close to the Iliad (besides the dialog of course).

Really? I heard otherwise. From everyone otherwise. :razz: Apparently they changed a lot of stuff, like taking out the gods.

Now I'm no fancy scientist but that looks like "pick up bart', possibly an allusion to a simpsons episode?

Alien_Sniper said:
Now I'm no fancy scientist but that looks like "pick up bart', possibly an allusion to a simpsons episode?

whispers to dave

its crono, remember?

Apparently they changed a lot of stuff, like taking out the gods.

They focused on the human happenings from The Iliad. They also focused on somthing that is lacking in most other movies, character development.

I'm fine with the changes they made. And even with the changes they made, it is still The Iliad.

And if someone tells you some movie is bad because its not spot on to what it was adapted from, smack them.
It doesn't make any sense to replicate something identically in another form of media.

This film is NOT the book. If you want to read the iliad, go read it. If you want to see a good adaptation of the Iliad, go see Troy.

Its kind of like Silence of the Lambs is the best movie out of that trillogy, but Red Dragon is the best book to movie transition (as in closest to the book).

There are degrees of freedom that should be taken when adapting something, and by no means does Troy step out of that boundry.

whispers to dave

its crono, remember?

If you've seen that episode you'd know what I was talking about.
Did no one notice the quotes? :razz:

And if someone tells you some movie is bad because its not spot on to what it was adapted from, smack them.
It doesn't make any sense to replicate something identically in another form of media.

I can understand that. It's just a lot of people say it's 3 overblown hours of embarssingly cliche hollywood epic. And apparently Brad Pitt is the miscast of the century. I'll end up seeing it anyway, but to perfectly honest, you're the first person to actually comment positively upon it. :smile:

Crono said:

whispers to dave

its crono, remember?

If you've seen that episode you'd know what I was talking about.
Did no one notice the quotes? :razz:

i got it.. the sentence is from homer.. funny you mention it, considering you are also talking about the iliad

Damn your quotes and damn your foresight! :smile:

i got it.. the sentence is from homer.. funny you mention it, considering you are also talking about the iliad

Not really :razz:

Crono said:

i got it.. the sentence is from homer.. funny you mention it, considering you are also talking about the iliad

Not really :razz:

bulls**t crono.. don't try to say you knew about the coincidence, before i pointed it out

just say "good night gracie"

just finished "Miracle"

2 thumbs up

watched "walking tall" 1 and 1/2 thumbs up..

watched "timelines" 2 thumbs up

Yeah Miracle was really great. Its up there with Rocky in my all-time favorite sports movies.

Watched friday the 13th a few days ago... 6 1/2 /10 it was a great movie, in its time.

Shrek 2....... I know I know, but it was a great movie, a good sequal to the first :biggrin: .

My opinion about Troy

PLUS

• Impressive action scenes
• Good acting by Eric Bana
• Character development

MINUS

• It's sad that maybe crucial scenes were scrapped from the scenario for just another "I-am-Brad-Pitt-and-I'm-Lying-near-naked-in-my-tent"-scene. Also, the end shot, when the camera fades out on him ...
• At the end, they don't stay very close to the book: + Agamemnon does not die (when he returns from the war, he is murdered by his wife) + Achilles gets shot at the Trojan walls, he's not even inside the Horse, ffs + The Trojans have to make a hole in their 'unbreakable' walls, but in the movie, they just pull the horse inside through the gate ... no, really ... big mistake ... that's what the horse's all about !

I had a good time watching it, but as I've read/translated the Illiad several times for school purposes, I couldn't help noticing these mistakes.

omegaslayer4777 said:
Shrek 2....... I know I know, but it was a great movie, a good sequal to the first :biggrin: .

I take it that you are in america??? In england it isn't out until july :sad:

I watched Troy yesterday; I think it's mostly a good adaptation of the Iliad, even though they changed a couple of details, but the story was overall respected. And the artistic direction is amazing!!! The architecture, the music, and the horse!!! I really liked the horse; this is exactly what naval invaders would build; a rough sculpture made with pieces of boats. I give it two thumbs up.

$loth said:

omegaslayer4777 said:
Shrek 2....... I know I know, but it was a great movie, a good sequal to the first :biggrin: .

I take it that you are in america??? In england it isn't out until july :sad:

It's not unusual, we have plenty of members from across the pond, and several other nations represented as well, the (active, and prolific) UK members aren't as numerous as one might think :smile:

OMG shrek2 was mint!

I laughed so hard

Shrek's "Knights" literaly got me on the floor laughing, they kicked me out so I had to see it a second time, then I saw the "tell a lie" sceen..... I was on the floor again, busting a gut

I saw Troy recently too. It was a very good film though I found difficult to enjoy at times, simply because I didn't know who to be rooting for :sad: Nobody was truly bad - they all had noble causes for their battles and tribulations.

Well, study the actual Trojan war, you might have a better idea :smile:

OMG the 'tell a lie' scene, wow that was great!

"Its a thong!"

Oh wow, and this was supposed to be a kids movie? :razz:

Crono said:
Well, study the actual Trojan war, you might have a better idea :smile:

I know about the Trojan war - I just found it hard to support one side as they both had noble causes...which makes very difficult viewing for a movie.

Adam Hawkins said:
I just found it hard to support one side as they both had noble causes...which makes very difficult viewing for a movie.

not really, the japanese of the time actually believed they had every right imaginable to attack pearl.. and i tend to lean strongly toward the allied side.

Uh, that's nice, but unlike you and Pearl he's a) not biased towards any side and b) both sides seem to have noble causes, perhaps unlike the Japanese and their empire building. Anyway we all know Pearl Harbour was a recylced Frankenstein of a film and difficult enough to watch :razz:

PS I haven't seen Troy or really know what it's about, so if it's not noble bitch to Adam :razz:

me personally? how can i not be unbiased, but seriously, the Japanese of the time considered it noble, or a noble cause, who are we to decide what exactly quantifies the level noble?

i am not truly comparing the Iliad to pearl the movie either, just commenting on being able to watch a show and separating my ideals from the right and wrongness of the situations that sparked the stories.

yes, i am sleepy again, just got in from Pittsburgh, if my post makes no sense.. thats my excuse.

Noble causes? The greek king uses his brothers wifes infidelity as an excuse to rule the world?.

Helen cheats on her husband, leaves him, starts the biggest war the world has seen to date, sees how her lovers brother gets killed because of it, watches Troy burn because of it? Noble?

Sounds more like a bad soap opera to me. I enjoyed the movie, just Brad Pitt was all wrong in his part IMO.

OK, so going to war over Helena was a little over the top, but the men who served him, such as Odysseus (wrong spelling i'm sure) were very honest noble men. Would you support him because he was fighting for his country, or Paris who stole Helena because they were in love? Neither were in the right or wrong - that was my issue with the film. Films are generally a bit of escapism where you can root for one side and boo and hiss at the others :wink:

It doesn't exist for sides, but individual people.

By the way, I thought Sean Bean kicked ass as Odysseus.

Crono said:
By the way, I thought Sean Bean kicked ass as Odysseus.

I agree. He owned Brad Pitt when it comes to acting.

Well, not really. I thought Brad Pitt wasn't bad at all in Troy. (He seems arrogant enough to play Achilles to me). After seeing a lot of his better films, I think my view of him is much higher then most other people's.

But, I just think Sean Bean kicks ass anyways (Why was Goldeneye the last good bond film? 006.)

Oh, and since he doesn't get enough credit, Eric Bana was bad ass ? I didn't think he would look cool with that amount of facial hair, but I was proven wrong.

Orlando Bloom can go f**k him self. I hope he dies. So the world will be rid of his terrible acting!

Crono said:
Orlando Bloom can go f**k him self. I hope he dies. So the world will be rid of his terrible acting!

Yep ... by the gods ... he sucked ! :razz:

He sucks in everything. The only reason why he's somewhat barable in LOTR is because his acting is over the top and out there.

Agreed orlando sucks major "stuff", the only reason why girls saw that movie was because of him .

Well ... no. He's probably one of the only reason why stupid, shallow, vain girls went to see Troy.

Secondly, something I thought was really funny was back when Pirates of the Caribbean came out. I saw some interview with Johnny Depp and they were asking him about the cast.

They asked something like "what was it like to work with Geoffrey Rush" he was excited and said it was awesome and talked about how great an actor Rush is .... then they asked "what about Orlando" and his response was something like ...
"Yeah, Orlando is a great ... guy."

I also think Bloom had rat s**t on his upper lip for that "mustache".

I didn't mind him in LOTR - I felt he fitted the part of Legolas pretty well...but as he had so few lines all he had to do was look the part :smile:

Oh, no he was good as Legoals. But, the reason why is because his acting is over the top and cheesy. However, it fit perfectly in with the fantasy epic feel of LOTR. I never said he was bad in LOTR, just everything else.

However, If I had to say what he was best in (using that term loosly) besides LOTR, it would be Troy. Because as much as I hate him, he wasn't painful to watch (again over the top-ness semi-suited the role) ... unlike in Priates.

just got back from walk-in theater..

"Day after tomorrow"

borrows Dave's thumb for illustration purposes

ignores sticky stuff

3 thumbs up..

have an appointment for "Troy" at 4:30 will give my unbiased opinion then.. looks askance at troy critics

just got back from viewing "Troy"

not quite a 2 thumbs upper, but a long way from trash..

knowing what must happen, takes a bit off the top IMO...

Mr. Pitt, wasn't so bad.. no worse than Kirk Douglas playing similar roles..

its rather refreshing to see the hero of normal proportions.. of late, if you are not as big as "The Rock" you can't seem to make it in herodom :sad:

"Paycheck"

1 1/2 thumbs up..

we seem stuck in a rut, we only seem to be posting 5 star movies here of late, lets break that tradition with "The Order"
my wife loves this genre of movies, so i can believe her when she said "IT BLOWS"

2 thumbs down..