"Wildcard face-down in the river"

Now that's nice ring. :wink:

ducks Wildcard's shoe

Since when do Shoes make a CLICK CLICK.. BANG! sound? =)

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....since Osama Shoebomba did his thing..... remember richard reid?....

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

Dr Brasso said:
....since Osama Shoebomba did his thing..... remember richard reid?....

Doc Brass... :dodgy:

wasn't he the father on the brady bunch?

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Ait, Im gone for the weekend, so I'll see all you guy on Monday.

Whats taking so long?

Oops, I'm supposed to be mapping, aren't I?

I'll have something up shortly.

Gotcha

bad news guys, i didnt have school today, so i am unable to make the NOV 1st deadline, if you can wait til next friday, that would be great, if not i can understand that too. uhg

P.S. i hate reading so keep the posts short PLEASE!!!...lol

Sinner_D said:
P.S. i hate reading so keep the posts short PLEASE!!!...lol

no.

What deadline?

Someone posted that they would like the first draft done by Nov. 1st. And then by the 31st of November, everyone could have thier section fitted in the map.

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im very glad you guys decided to kinda shine the deadline on....i come to find out that after much stripping down of the section ive done, it still is way too big to allow others to get in as much space as i have....so.....back to the drawing board....

Dr Brasso... :dodgy:

I'm not touching hammer until december 10th when my finals end.

good atleast im not the only one who dreads the nov 1st deadline...lol and from the looks of it, im not the only one not gonna make that deadline either. ohwell :biggrin:

seeing as how TB isnt touching hammer til december, i say we cancel all deadlines and just give everyone free rain, no set timeline for now. but for those who are willing to touch hammer, dont slack off okey :wink:

P.S. orph, isnt your last post in compliance with my request? and yet at the sametime its not...lol

btw, i just might have internet on my work comp as of tomorrow...however ive heard this story before so no promises

Well, crap. Is there any way to use watergreen and not have it brightly colored?

Edit the texture.

My (very preliminary) unadorned section. I need to remove that "searchlight", fix the rock work, get a new water texture, retexture the walls, fix the bridges, and stick more crazy crap around (including something in the water and some entrances/exits, and a few crates...?), but I've got lots of r_speeds to work with now, so it's all good.

EDIT: Also I'm way the hell over the size limit. I think the total enclosed volume is about right, but the thick walls stick out over my portion... What should I do?

How the hell do U make a big section like that and keep your polys so low?

Looks good. and we now have an outside area.. YAY!

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Hornpipe2 said:
Well, crap. Is there any way to use watergreen and not have it brightly colored?

water only does that when you use the wrong render mode, i think additive makes it bright, don't use it.

MoneyShot said:
How the hell do U make a big section like that and keep your polys so low?

Looks good. and we now have an outside area.. YAY!

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there is nothing in there yet, how high do you think they should be :biggrin:

nice pic tho, leave lots of room for stuff.

All water is rendered "bright", it just isn't noticeable unless the area is dark. You could get around this by using a func_illusionary/invisible func_water combo.

Here we go again pissing off Orph.. He is gonna say these belong in another forum.. just watch and see..

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Uhm Gollum how do you do that? can you explain in better detail?

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Make your func_water as usual, but set it up as invisible (either by using the {blue texture as usual, or just by setting the brush to render mode "texture" and amount "0"). Now make a func_illusionary the same size as the func_water, and give it the water texture you want to see. Set its render mode and amount to whatever you think will look good. Now you should get correctly lit looking water that still LOOKS like and ACTS like water.

Hey guys, Im back. Long weekend of conferences and workshops. Yay.

Anyways, I dont really know whats been happening, Sinner_D, are you still with us? And I know someone said their section was too big. Who said that? I forget. lol. As well, guys email me your sections, I've asked quite a few times already. I have MoneyShot's map already.

WB WC...yes im still here :wink: and good news guys, my work comp finally has internet, so no more of this wait til friday shiet...YAY.

well, im pretty much done with my section, other then the modifying after we get the sections together, im all set. if anyone needs anything from my end, ive got a few custom textures (SPLA.wad) nothing you guys would need to use, but WC...its ur job to compile the final SPLA.wad right?

yes t'is my job. Put everything in a .ZIP and email it to me (or PM me with a download link)

Here it is, the list of mappers and their associated sections.

• Upper Left: Tracer Bullet
• Upper Center: Doc Brasso
• Upper Right: DocRock
• Middle Left: Schmung
• Middle Center: Wild Card
• Middle Right: Sinner_D
• Lower Left: Hornpipe2
• Lower Center: Gorbachev
• Lower Right: MoneyShot

I looked over MoneyShot's section (helped him a little) so I could have an idea of what he did and an idea of how to put things together. I started a littlebit on the centerpiece.

Guys, read what I say when I post something, usualy it tends to be important. I've asked time and again for you to send me what you've done so far and only MS gave me something. I know some of you havent gotten a chance to start, thats ok, but I have seen screens from other sections but havent been sent the .RMF.

send me your stuff

i have a suggestion, but it may be a bit too late.

you should not post the locations of the authors contributions, since it may biased them toward or away from the area in question..

the hot death diner had a competition a while back, i downloaded all the maps, and looked them over without looking at the authors, and the results were surprising, at least 2 of my favorite mappers submitted crap, and i might have looked at the maps differently..

at that time doc was still on my all time list.. yup his was one, but i didn't know that in advance.. another was a very talented mapper and a personal friend of mine..

my point is, anonymity may prove beneficial.

Im not sure I get you Orph, the mappers already knew their sections, or is it the public must not know?

Wild Card said:
Im not sure I get you Orph, the mappers already knew their sections, or is it the public must not know?

yes/no

it would be interesting to view the map once its together without much in the way of markers to show who made what..

you could PM the locations to the team.. but as i said, its a bit late now.

anyways, it was just a thought.

lol, oops. Guess I made a bobo :razz: Oh well, experience comes from experience. But now that I think about it, I see you point. It would also prevent bashing on a certain mapper's section.

Wild Card said:
lol, oops. Guess I made a bobo :razz: Oh well, experience comes from experience. But now that I think about it, I see you point. It would also prevent bashing on a certain mapper's section.

i am not alone either, but really, i would have gotten a kick out of looking the map over and guessing who made what..

mapping as a team, alters how one constructs to a point. i know i changed things that normally i wouldn't have.

still do what works for you.. and your project.

I've seen MS's section and he said he isnt that good but its a hole lot better than what I can come up with.

Wild Card said:
I've seen MS's section and he said he isnt that good but its a hole lot better than what I can come up with.

uhh, what has that got to do with anything?

you should never post names, always generalize, its safer.

besides, who was talking about MS?

Orpheus said:

Wild Card said:
Im not sure I get you Orph, the mappers already knew their sections, or is it the public must not know?

yes/no

it would be interesting to view the map once its together without much in the way of markers to show who made what..

you could PM the locations to the team.. but as i said, its a bit late now.

anyways, it was just a thought.

Not applicable now, but an interesting point for the future though :smile: just store it up for the Half Life 2 project... :wink:

uhh.. I dont know where that came from :rolleyes:

sorry bout that WC, i posted a link to DL a while back, but was told to remove it...i didnt know you wanted rmfs yet, ill pm you the link.

i kinda like orphs idea there, woulda been fun...ohwell.

Why not applicable? WC, All you have to do is switch up the sections a bit and then keep it privet within the group. it wouldn't make that much difference to the individual areas I don't think, especialy if you strayed from the square layout you currently seem to have in mind (i.e. make it more vertical). we'd have to start a new thread for posting screens though, and just request that no one but SPLA mappers look at it.

keep in mind, W_C has a problem with up and down mapping, try hard to remember that you have many elevations to place these parts.. you could make an interesting map by simply stacking them one atop another :smile:

Orpheus said:
keep in mind, W_C has a problem with up and down mapping, try hard to remember that you have many elevations to place these parts.. you could make an interesting map by simply stacking them one atop another :smile:

:P

I've looked over your section Sinner_D, it seems pretty good. There are a few things I'll modify (mostly just func_wall and world brushes to improve the R's.)

If you guys want to switch around the sections and stuff like that, I can do that. Once I have everbodies section I'll play around.

Also, when you update your section, dont forget to give it to me so I dont work with something thats outdated.

Thanks Wild Card.. I guess the artist is never satisfied with his/her work.

Day 2 and were still at 90% on the Leafthread... Oh boy..

Im sure it will all be worth it. And I can consider this section done. This will still be my entry..

My Wife and I are making it again, this time with some new ideas.. if you want to do a stacked area, Ill sut the top down some, add some vis blocking, and then add a sewer like section under mine.. if you want to do that. I have always wanted to do a sewer section that was full of water with a few areas to pop up and get air.. instead of the standard run though sewer. =)

Can we have a forum area that only we can look at? That would be cool.

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MoneyShot said:
Thanks Wild Card.. I guess the artist is never satisfied with his/her work.

Day 2 and were still at 90% on the Leafthread... Oh boy..

Im sure it will all be worth it. And I can consider this section done. This will still be my entry..

My Wife and I are making it again, this time with some new ideas.. if you want to do a stacked area, Ill sut the top down some, add some vis blocking, and then add a sewer like section under mine.. if you want to do that. I have always wanted to do a sewer section that was full of water with a few areas to pop up and get air.. instead of the standard run though sewer. =)

Can we have a forum area that only we can look at? That would be cool.

yeah, its called PM's :smile:

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you know, compile times go down with quality, no insult intended here, but if any section of this map compiles hard, then adding it to the whole will NOT be a good idea.

my last maps compiled in mear hours, forever yes, but still a short time considering.

if a map takes over 6 hours, i would give pause..

ignore this if you must, but its wisdom you need to know.

if one small section takes two days, you are in trouble.

I am thinking the same thing.. Funny thing is it compiles in 3 hours on Wild Cards machine, but on mine it takes forever.. this I dont understand. I am even useing the program to compile he does..

I have always had problems with compiles.. I dont know why.. takes forever on my machine.

( again what im running )

AMD Athalon 1.2 Ghz

640Mb of Ram.

I have 120 GB Hard Drive.

Windows XP, Home edition for the OS.

I am thinking of redoing the section.. and scrap this I have now.

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In my experience, really long vis times are usualy due to "leaf portal saw into leaf" errors. nothing that seems to really effect the final product, but I guess vis spends tons of time crunching the numbers trying to make the dodgy bit work. on the other hand, it took me less than an hour to compile your section and I run a 1ghz with 256MB ram.

Does the compile max out your processor? it's possible that you somehow have the priorites set so that it never gets it's fair share of CPU time, but I don't see how this could stretch compile times that much.

And Id really like to know how U did it too.. Tracer. =)

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Would U like me to send you the newest version?

Sure Money, I'll let my computer have a crack at it if you want.

I e-mailed it to you Tracer ( the account in your profile )

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M_S. if compile times vary from your PC to another it might be one of the following.

1) you have to little room left on your hard drive for swapfiles.

2) have the compile settings set wrong.

3) the other person has them set wrong.

4) you have something in the background using all your resources.

5) windows XP has some sort of a setting that alters the block sizes on your hard drive, that could increase the compiles.

6) you have defective ram.

7) you need to defrag.

any of these might cause compiles to stretch into forever.

and all this is assuming the compiles are set exactly the same on both PC's.

Thansk Orph.. Ill check into everything U have here, and see what I can do to fix this.

I may have spotted one problem. My CS is on Drive C, my mapping tools and folder I hold the maps in is on Drive D.. that maybe a problem.

Im really want to get this working right so I can make compile and have maps ready to go.

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