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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 3:47pm
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hey, made a lil webby for when i start source mapping ,tell me what you guys think :smile:

http://www.freewebs.com/biopulse666

i took some random screenie og hl2 from google and edited that to create the banner , hope you guys like it, if not ,tell me what's wrong :wink:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crapceeper on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 5:51pm
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Looks okay to me. My JavaScript is turned off and the site works anyways. I like that.

You could work on the code a bit. Try using css. makes a few things much more easy.

And don't be worried about your spelling or grammar. Nobody's perfect.

Although: You need to consider: I'm not a webdesign pro - so my oppinion might not be as appropriate as another one.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Captain P on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 7:09pm
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Mhh... it has a consistent style and that's a good thing. It's also easy to access so you're well on your way.

I don't like the yellow on black color-scheme too much, it makes those
bright yellow letters somewhat hard too read, eyes get tired after a
while from bright colors. The contrast is a bit too high, I think.
Also, that font isn't the easiest readable one too.

I see you're using divs, that's good. CSS would make it all a bit
easier to work with, as Crapkeeper just said, so look up on it. It
saves you quite some html and makes pages much easier to chance.
Changing a single line in a .css file can save you rewriting tens of
lines of html.

To conclude, you're on the right road, but it needs spicing up and can
be done a little more efficient. Also, add some content... :wink:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Forceflow on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 7:55pm
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You're constantly re-loading the menu thing on every page. That's a bit unnecessary, use some frames.

The top banner looks great, but the dividing lines should be dark grey or something, not plain white.

Good lay-out overall.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 8:36pm
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Thanks alot for these comment, they are very usefull, i'm reading up on css this very moment, but as i'm not a html guru or anything thise might take some time to learn.

I'm looking for a suitable font for the main content area ( maybe Tahoma ) and i'll defenatly change the white lines to a darker colour.

thanks :smile:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Captain P on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 8:57pm
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Try using a font that you can be sure of most people have it. Otherwise
you'll end up with a site that uses a default font for those people.

I'm a fan of arial myself. Broadly used because it's easy to read. :smile:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Forceflow on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 9:02pm
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Verdana for me. Font choice isn't th?t important, the browser will use
the default font if the webby's font is not found or can't be
downloaded.

If you want to have your font look the very same (size, margin, ...) on
every page, I suggest using style sheets (CSS). It's the only way to
have your fonts acting the same (grosso modo) in IE and Firefox.

On the other hand, CSS is all about details.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 9:08pm
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hmmz i think it would be good to make the text etc. work everywhere, i'll go see if verdana is nice :smile: i'll try to get an updated webby out tomorrow :wink:
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Re: webby i made Posted by ReNo on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 9:25pm
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You don't have to go anywhere to
see if verdana is nice - its the font used on this website and it most
certainly is nice :smile: Verdana and Tahoma are my two picks of the font
world; both are easy to read, quite compact, and very modern and
stylish looking.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 9:26pm
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i just updated it , don't know if you caught the updated one or not lol, it's updated now though :smile:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Captain P on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 9:41pm
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Yes, easier to read now, definitely.

The Home button in the menu doesn't work correctly, though. Gives me a Page not Found error.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 9:57pm
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aah yes, that's freewebs beeing bleh again, i'll fix it tomorrow, bit tired now hehe
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crono on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 10:16pm
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Yeah, it looks like the way you have it set up, it would work best by putting the "content" area in an iframe. I suggest an iframe, because it's easier to use and it lays ontop of everything instead of cutting up the page.

Colors are hideous. Sorry.

Try to make it fit on the screen all at once for a certain resolution (something like 1024 x 768) Easy way to do that is to make that banner smaller. Maximize the content area as much as possible ... it's the reason people are at the site.

With fonts, you can define many, many, many fonts. It's good to choose a primary and secondary windows font, then choose a Macintosh and other OS font to put in the list, so everyone can view the page.
Just use google to find lists with pictures of fonts

Define as much as you can in an external CSS file.

Don't use needless javascript.

All in all, it wouldn't take too long to make the site this way. (Less then an hour if you know what you're doing)
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Sun Sep 4th 2005 at 10:55pm
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major change now on colors

i think it's better, i like red and black, suits my own style so i'm keeping these colours i think.

tell me what you think still though :smile:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 1:51am
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Use more then 2 colors. The text really should be the only thing that color. Whatever that color may be.

Look at this site, for example, the text is pretty much the only thing that's white. The background is pretty much the only thing that's black. And everything else has a separate designated color. It gives a nice composition and it very pleasing to the eye. Your site, isn't, no offense or anything. You need more variation and seperation. I'm not saying replace the colors that or there, nor did I mean that before, you just need to add to it.

Anyway, keep working on it.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 8:26am
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might look into investing in some white text., but i like the dark style so maybe i'll keep it like this.

Anyone know how to set up 'relative sizes' Crapceeper recommended them to me as that would make it work in more resolutions, that would be pretty neat :smile:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 9:29am
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That's a style sheet thing (CSS). You can't do it with images, unless you make different images for each resolution, check the viewers resolution and load the proper image (bad idea, it's slow). Other then that, when using div tags or span tags, including many other things like iframes, you can assign classes (look it up) it allows you to define many things about the "object". One of which is width, height, and position. You can use percentages to make it resolution independant, but be warned, IE is a dick when using this aspect, it doesn't deal with it properly in my experiences. Mozilla does a nice job though. In any case, mess around with it!

Text size doesn't matter, it will be sized by the browser unless you give a specific value, but you're using tags like "strong" to make things larger, which is relative to the default size.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 9:50am
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hmmmz, i think i might jsut leave it this way then, as it seems like hard work just ofr people who crank up their res extremely high as most people jsut have it on 1024x768 anyways :wink:
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Re: webby i made Posted by fishy on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 11:19am
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changing the home button to point at an html page (not htm) should fix your page not found error.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 1:51pm
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hmmz, i'll try that, the rest points to htm and does work odly though, but i'll give it a scoot :smile:

i also patched up the banner a bit ,the white glow was out of place so i made it red with black text witch i gave a slight blur to make it looks like the ligth was comming from no where :razz: hope you likey
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 9:13pm
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There's nothing "oddly" about it :smile:

The file extension matters. There's a difference between index.html and index.htm, for example. Choose one extension and stick with it.

Don't change the link ... change the file name!

Those colors still make me want to vomit. :biggrin:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Tracer Bullet on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 9:25pm
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<DIV class=quote>
<DIV class=quotetitle>? quoting Crono</DIV>
<DIV class=quotetext>Use more then 2 colors. The text really should be the only thing that color. Whatever that color may be.
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</DIV></DIV>
This I disagree with. I think the text should be kept grey our white or somthing. I hate reading colored text!
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 9:31pm
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um ... I didn't suggest making the text some random flusha color or something. I said keep it unique, that's all.

I think his text shouldn't be red. Yellow, would be easier to read, but white would look better.

As long as there is a good contrast (which isn't present right now), there shouldn't be any "hatred" of the color. Whatever makes it easiest to read, right?
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Re: webby i made Posted by Captain P on Mon Sep 5th 2005 at 11:10pm
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I see you're using css now, but you're not using it. Those menu items
for example could all do with a simple class reference, as they all use
the same properties.

Example, in your css file, put:

font.standard

{

font-family: verdana;

font-size: 80%;

color: #FFFFFF;

}

and in your html, use this:

You could leave the classname out in the css file, in which case all
normal font tags use that properties. Quite handy, don't you think? :smile:

Also, change that background image. Right now you're gonna have trouble
for longer pages. Use divs to create those black blocks instead. A div
for the title image would be usefull too, so you can use a repeating
background image for the main body of the site.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Tue Sep 6th 2005 at 8:24am
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i was thinking of sticking an iFrame on the divs if i needed a longer page, that was i can just make it have a scroll bar.

I've chosen to keep it just for 1024x768 resolution as that's what most people use, i've only come across one person so fat who doesn't use that.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Madedog on Tue Sep 6th 2005 at 12:22pm
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Well, you should get rid of the underlined links. They don't fit with the style, imho.

And secondly... a little recommendation for you as of the content.
There is more than enough of those HL2 mapping tuts, which are as good
for beginners as ever. If you want to come out with something more
original, pick UT for example :wink: But for HL2... there are far too many.
Coding - yes, that's a thing. And modelling, with XSI - that's another
good thing. For the mapping... leave it. You don't have to try to make
HL2 mapping tuts, as I said... there is no need for this. :smile:
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Re: webby i made Posted by Junkyard God on Tue Sep 6th 2005 at 2:36pm
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Madedog said:
Well, you should get rid of the underlined links. They don't fit with the style, imho.
And secondly... a little recommendation for you as of the content. There is more than enough of those HL2 mapping tuts, which are as good for beginners as ever. If you want to come out with something more original, pick UT for example :wink: But for HL2... there are far too many. Coding - yes, that's a thing. And modelling, with XSI - that's another good thing. For the mapping... leave it. You don't have to try to make HL2 mapping tuts, as I said... there is no need for this. :smile:
i don't know UT , i don't know XSI and i deffenatly don't know coding :smile: content will mainly be just s**t i write to help people do designing i think, not the actual work in hammer.

also it will be maps of me and friends.

i don't care if there's no need for it , this is mainly just a map showoff site and for fun, and i thought i'd just write some stuff as i'm bored anyway.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 7th 2005 at 2:20am
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Something to remember about CSS is it allows you to "create" tag names.

Such as, if you defined, in your style area, a class with the name "body" everything within the body tag would have that text's format. Very handy so you don't have to label things more then once.

If you've ever used the < p > tag, this is exactly what you're doing.

Just check the w3 site(s) it'll tell you everything you need to know, what to use, how to use it, and when you should use it.
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Re: webby i made Posted by G4MER on Wed Sep 7th 2005 at 5:39am
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Looks good.
Re: webby i made Posted by Oski on Thu Sep 8th 2005 at 8:28pm
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Its too red and black. Its annoying for my eyes. But thats just me.

However.

I find fonts themselves very fascinating. Isnt it awesome that, all the people in the world, wherever they live or whatever they do, they all know what the fonts are called and they all use the same ones. Its like a miracle.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Myrk- on Fri Sep 9th 2005 at 3:46pm
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I'd suggest using tables and split the background image so it loads a bit better. Also set a background colour for the site, and don't use too much red.
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Re: webby i made Posted by Crono on Fri Sep 9th 2005 at 8:33pm
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Hmm, I didn't look at the background image before ... don't do that!

Just make the background the stripped pattern, in a very small image, it will tile it's self.

The only image on the site other then that should be your logo header bar thing.

Those boxes can be made using the div or span tags ... you can color fill with CSS and add different color borders. Then in each div/span, you can position the text or whatever anyway you like and position the entire div/span anywhere on the page.

Honestly, there's no need to use tables though, there are much better methods.

The colors still need work too.
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